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Post by Tockita on Sept 15, 2007 16:05:21 GMT -5
Kelly.. I know this is horrible! Sadly sometimes CBER has the money, but he has a truck to fill... then she has to bargain for who he is willing to let stay. It may have come down to Sofi or.. ?? who would you have sent in her place?
I would hate to be the one that was faced with begging and bargaining on truck day. It's like having your old horse sick and knowing you have to call the vet, but not wanting to because you lose either way!
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Post by keldco on Sept 15, 2007 16:08:15 GMT -5
Don't ask me that question.
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Post by NanciK on Sept 15, 2007 16:09:18 GMT -5
Indeed, there is no way I could step into Sam's shoes.
I highly doubt that Sam makes any of the choices as to who ships and who gets another chance. The horses belong to the FLO. That's it. He does whatever he likes, and chooses whichever horses he wants to fill the truck.
That's it.
MTA: God Bless the feedlot volunteers!
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Post by TashGaia on Sept 15, 2007 16:10:41 GMT -5
Tockita... personally I would have sent one of the ones with no home in her place. What does it matter if she was old and had no teeth? She had a HOME and even had the money to get her safe. Several of the others had NOTHING, but yet they were saved. I've got to log off now before I say something I will regret later. Rest in peace gentle old Sofi... you gave humans your all, and it wasn't enough.
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Post by agilitygal on Sept 15, 2007 16:29:46 GMT -5
This doesn't feel right. I don't even want to know anymore. I'm taking a break.
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Post by wendyp on Sept 15, 2007 16:36:01 GMT -5
It sucks, no doubt about it.............
I think there are two schools of thought - neither is right or wrong.........
Some feel the younger horses should be given a chance to live..........to enjoy another 10 years, to get to be old some day. Others feel the older horses deserve to die with dignity, to be rewarded for their many years of service to us very selfish human beings.........Doesn't matter which side you stand on, there are just as many on the other side. In a perfect world, we could save them all......
I don't honestly know how Sam and Heidi do this week after week. I could not. If they are making the decisions as to who goes and who stays, then their job sucks even more. If they aren't the ones making the decisions, then their emotions must just be tested beyond belief.
It's a no win situation..................We all do the best we can, but we are stronger together, so please don't let this divide or destroy the bond that we all have to help the horses.
WendyP/Bend, OR
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Post by countrymouse on Sept 15, 2007 16:36:39 GMT -5
Dear Sofi, I am so sorry that you were let down. Rest in peace.
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Post by djrepp on Sept 15, 2007 16:58:50 GMT -5
Oh, this is more then I can handle. Kelly, don't give up the fight. The horses need you and me too.
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Post by apache on Sept 15, 2007 17:14:12 GMT -5
:'(You were saved...momentarily. You were loved. You had made it. We are so sorry. We will never stop fighting for horses like you, we will never stand down. We will always remain at our posts so as to never lose a horse because we were not here. No matter what horrible things happen we will stand our ground and look at save the next horse. It will be in your name. God, please take these noble horses quickly to you.
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Post by emjay on Sept 15, 2007 18:37:01 GMT -5
this one disturbs me the most. RIP sweet girl.
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Post by Tockita on Sept 15, 2007 19:11:35 GMT -5
Tash believe me I understand! I think the old folks deserve to live out their lives in safety and comfort! But I could not have chosen another to take her place. So here I sit crushed about all 3.
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Post by lorsadoon on Sept 15, 2007 19:55:33 GMT -5
The shipment of Sophie bothers me alot also. In my opinion she was priced to high for an old horse with probable Cushings. And do not jump on about we have no contol on the price, blah blah blah. She was $570 and the little pony mare is only $350
She had a home and bail was raised. The two requirements for pulling a horse. Who would I of chosen to take her place??? As much as I hate to see anyone go, I guess one with no home offer and one that would of been able to at least endure the truck ride. I can not even imagine this poor old gal on a crowded truck. I bet she will not even make it to the plant.
Such a terrible shame that people do not have the decency to put down their old animals. If I had the power to project this horses future suffering into the mind of her previous owners, I would haunt their dreams for a long, long time.
Sadly, Laurie
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Post by rescuestoribbons on Sept 15, 2007 20:21:07 GMT -5
Im am so sorry Sofi, we love you!
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Post by Tate on Sept 15, 2007 21:45:56 GMT -5
In my 3 years as a member, I have seen many horses ship, but this special girl was paid for and it was confirmed by Tash yesterday. I am threw dealing with "chuck" on any level, he is a piece of crap and the devil himself.
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Post by lauras on Sept 15, 2007 21:52:04 GMT -5
Choose one to go in her place? The choice was made when HER bail was paid... and confirmed. I am so sorry lady...
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Post by lorsadoon on Sept 15, 2007 22:06:40 GMT -5
In my 3 years as a member, I have seen many horses ship, but this special girl was paid for and it was confirmed by Tash yesterday. I am threw dealing with "chuck" on any level, he is a piece of crap and the devil himself. I am afraid there are alot of us that are feeling just this way. What is going to happen when the core of solid support has disappeared from here. Even though it says there are 1000 members here, we all know that number is inncorrect due to mulitiple personalities and those who have been banned or just gave up. I agree with Tate, Chuck has no respect for all the work everyone here does. We even played by the rules and he shipped a safe horse.
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Post by ptowne on Sept 16, 2007 11:30:02 GMT -5
I simply do not believe that Sophie shipped because Sam as absolutely no influence with Chuck. People followed the rules. This sweet old mare had a home to go to and her bail was paid. Hence according to the rules, she should have been pulled from the lot. So where did her bail go? Go right ahead and ban me. It will probably save me a whole lot of heartache. Pam
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Post by emjay on Sept 16, 2007 12:25:52 GMT -5
that's a valid question IMHO. I don't understand why a horse shipped that was paid for and horses who weren't paid for didn't ship, makes no sense, really. I will never understand that. sorry. Poor old girl so frail, not a meat buyers dream horse either. I dont' get it.
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Post by ebo on Sept 16, 2007 19:14:16 GMT -5
This is the second time in the past two weeks that an older horse was paid for, had a home, and the sacred qt was paid as well. (Kiva was the other horse.) There is a system in place for letting the FLO know who has, and does not have, a place to go. Several other horses were held back that had no sponsorship. The slaughter houses want young, fat horses in their prime of life.
Coincidences do happen, but how many times in a row?
BTW--Heidi isn't at the lot any longer.
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Post by ptowne on Sept 16, 2007 19:47:29 GMT -5
Wasn't Kiva actually paid for twice? Once by a RO member and once by ABR?? I wonder what happened to that money?
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Post by halfwayhome on Sept 16, 2007 20:01:40 GMT -5
That is true, I am not at the lot and haven't been for months. I am very disappointed that Sophie shipped with all her "ducks in a row", that does not make sense as this was known the night before. I do agree, the FLO would not take a thinner, older, "non-prime" mare over younger, fatter ones as sad as that sounds. This did not make sense whatsoever and I am very sorry she had to pay the price. NO horse should have to experience what she is, but her safeguards were supposedly in place. VERY SAD.
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Post by ebo on Sept 16, 2007 20:04:32 GMT -5
I don't know if Kiva was paid for twice or not. She was lucky to have been paid for once. At least that's what her supporters thought.
I probably shouldn't comment here as I'm not of the group who works on behalf of CBER any longer--I'm here in support of the other rescues AND the horses who are in trouble. But, something isn't as it should be at some link in the chain to rescue the feedlot horses; that's pretty obvious.
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Post by lorsadoon on Sept 16, 2007 20:24:15 GMT -5
Maybe it is time for someone who actuallly KNOWS what happened to Sophie, to come here and explain what went wrong that allowed this poor mare to ship.
And I mean someone who knows, not someone who thinks they know.
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Post by ebo on Sept 16, 2007 20:29:11 GMT -5
Who was there?
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Post by lauras on Sept 16, 2007 20:46:36 GMT -5
Passion shipped, too. Older and lame but big. Money was at the lot and pulled younger horses that still don't have homes. Sam said she didn't get the money in time...? But Sophie's money?
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Post by TashGaia on Sept 16, 2007 21:40:35 GMT -5
I just found out a few minutes ago that he started tagging the horses just after 4pm on Friday. Apparently she was already tagged before anything got going for her on here.
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Post by lorsadoon on Sept 16, 2007 22:03:52 GMT -5
Sophies time line at the lot is this then, correct? 1. Listed on Thursday at 11:49PM, with no price for her yet. 2. A price is finally posted on Friday at 3:00PM 3. Her home offer came in at 3:49PM, Friday 4. Her bail was paid at 8:28PM, Friday 5. She had already been tagged at 4:00PM, only 1 hour after her bail price was posted. So basically there was only one hour between her price being set and her tagging. And only 16 hours between her initial posting here and her being tagged. Geez, even Superman could not have moved fast enough to save her at that rate.
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Post by lauras on Sept 16, 2007 22:05:48 GMT -5
So Sam sat on the phone until after midnight last truck.... This truck how many hours go by before we know...? So no one knew friday night? really discouraging.... so sad. MTA: So apaches bomb on the AB was made the day after Sophie was tagged?
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Post by wendyp on Sept 16, 2007 22:28:06 GMT -5
Would it matter if we knew Friday night or Saturday? Sam is just one person - I think it's unreasonable to expect her to pull off miracles prior to every truck. It's typical though - she does it once and now it's expected every time. She has been dealing with this for what - 4 years? More?
I don't know what happened to Sophisticate, but I do know that there is nothing that can be done now. I am certainly not going to criticize how CBER operates, I'm not at the Lot doing the gut wrenching job of negotiating for lives, and until I have walked in those shoes, I have no right to judge. I don't honestly know how they do it, week after week after week. I was home Friday night, in my nice warm house, relaxing, reading email on my Laptop........I wasn't at the lot, I wasn't helping with the horses, I wasn't negotiating with the FLO, I wasn't watching the unnamed horses being loaded on the truck, so until I am willing to do that job, I'm not going to criticize. These are volunteers, they don't 'owe' me an explanation - I appreciate it when they give one, and I don't try to second guess their answers.
Sorry to sound so harsh, but this isn't the first truck, it won't be the last, and Sophisticate isn't the last horse to ship that we thought was safe ...... remember Juno, she still haunts me. But I have accepted that I can't save them all. And for those that don't know me, I have paid the bail and QT and homed 7 or 8 CBER horses - the last one being Doodle. I've been on the BB's for a couple of years..........as I told Kelly, it doesn't get any easier with time, but it gets less gut-wrenching.
I hope you all can see your way to accepting that there are some things that we just don't have control over, and sometimes we might expect too much of the volunteers..........
Just my two cents..............
WendyP/Bend, OR
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Post by lauras on Sept 16, 2007 22:36:48 GMT -5
It is really sad that because no one knew Sat. that the horse was already lost to us that the post was made on the other board(It was deleted but not before it caused a huge stir)... That apache felt so desperatly sad that the new guidelines were posted that came through but the info about the horses didn't.... it is sad.... a shame.... not an attack.... it's VERY SAD.
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