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Post by halfwayhome on Mar 3, 2009 17:04:49 GMT -5
Floors me how cber is once again manipulating the appearance of the costs of adopting a horse! bet its a direct reflection on the recent comments on the fact that they charge too high prices and then our posting of the actual add-on for $am. If you look at the "horses on the feedlot" page, they now break it down differently to justify their charges I guess. Mind you, the total is still the same, around a $1000, but they are trying to make it look different.
Example: Horse FLO price: $450
CBER fee 100
riding and sorting fee: 25
QT 300
Hauling 30
taxes ? 71.50
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$976.50
PLUS paypal fees if they use paypal...
Notice now this actually gives them more than the old so called $150 which was to include the FL price and the taxes and the listing from the lot-- what a ripoff to just add in more fees and change the way it looks to legitimize it!
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Post by michelle on Mar 3, 2009 17:50:49 GMT -5
Floors me how cber is once again manipulating the appearance of the costs of adopting a horse! bet its a direct reflection on the recent comments on the fact that they charge too high prices and then our posting of the actual add-on for $am. If you look at the "horses on the feedlot" page, they now break it down differently to justify their charges I guess. Mind you, the total is still the same, around a $1000, but they are trying to make it look different. Example: Horse FLO price: $450 CBER fee 100 riding and sorting fee: 25 QT 300 Hauling 30 taxes ? 71.50 __________ $976.50 PLUS paypal fees if they use paypal... Notice now this actually gives them more than the old so called $150 which was to include the FL price and the taxes and the listing from the lot-- what a ripoff to just add in more fees and change the way it looks to legitimize it! That effectively changes the "cber fee" from the alleged $150 to $171.50 in this case. Wonder how much the mark up is from Chuck, after S takes her cut. |
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Post by swissgrl on Mar 3, 2009 18:34:13 GMT -5
So if they charge taxes, does that mean they have to pay sales taxes as well? I don't understand how they can charge taxes if they're a non profit. Is that normal? Or is that a scam?
According to the thread they had they wanted to regain the trust of people by doing this. In my opinion it looks worse.
MTA: If Sam is no longer the President of CBER, how can she demand that all horses have to be QT'd at her place, and she get paid for it?
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Post by frr2 on Mar 3, 2009 19:33:01 GMT -5
I think the taxes is Sales Tax.. wonder if it all gets sent into to the State??
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Post by halfwayhome on Mar 3, 2009 19:52:12 GMT -5
Also the "riding and handling fee" is essentially new, before this was also included unless someone made a specific request for a horse we didn't ride and paid $20 to have that done, this fee is mandatory and includes those just listed and not ridden... , making the "fee" we can see almost $200... Believe me, the only person that sees Chucks "list" is $am and so she can say whatever she wants on the FLO price so her kickback is added in.
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Post by swissgrl on Mar 3, 2009 21:38:59 GMT -5
I think the taxes is Sales Tax.. wonder if it all gets sent into to the State?? That's what I'm wondering, if they request the Taxes, don't they have to send it in to the State? Maybe I just don't understand the tax status of non-profits, and how that all works.... I always thought they didn't have to pay taxes.....? |
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Mar 4, 2009 1:02:19 GMT -5
$cam is at it again.....doesn't cease to amaze me.
And of course if the horses come down with an imaginary illness, that's more money. Or God forbid they ARE sick but the meds aren't given........
I want to help those horses but I will not put another dime in her pocket.
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Post by TashGaia on Mar 4, 2009 1:49:09 GMT -5
I think the taxes is Sales Tax.. wonder if it all gets sent into to the State?? No, not Sales tax. And even if so it would have only been the GELDINGS that tax would have been required on. And more importantly... the tax would only be required on the actual horse price (in this case $450) not the total amount. |
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Post by jenm on Mar 5, 2009 2:01:21 GMT -5
Also the "riding and handling fee" is essentially new, before this was also included unless someone made a specific request for a horse we didn't ride and paid $20 to have that done, this fee is mandatory and includes those just listed and not ridden... , making the "fee" we can see almost $200... Believe me, the only person that sees Chucks "list" is $am and so she can say whatever she wants on the FLO price so her kickback is added in. OMG. I need a drink. This hurts my head...  |
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Post by halfwayhome on Mar 5, 2009 12:28:49 GMT -5
Yes, if you look, the tax fees quoted on the new horses reflect the TOTAL ( price plus fees plus QT) and not on just the price from the FLO. How can this be legit? They are just pocketing the extra. If you look at the horses at her place they are advertising for just a price plus tax, the tax listed is much lower by almost half! for example: on a feedlot horse listed whose FLO price is $450, the tax listed after all the fees is $71.50... if you look at horse at her place already done with QT, a $450 horse's tax is listed at about $35! This needs to be brought out to people!
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Post by chatty on Mar 7, 2009 19:45:26 GMT -5
SO..................If the people pay all this money out of their pockets...How can Sam then charge the adoption fee once again..??.  Double the price as I see it.... chatty |
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Post by mbr on Mar 7, 2009 22:07:14 GMT -5
You can go to the auction and save at least 6 or more horses from slaughter then if you go through CBER, they want 1,000 or more for each horse when you can get the same horse at the auction for 50 to 100 dollars, so if your really wanting to save horses then go to the auctions.
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Post by chatty on Mar 8, 2009 12:04:13 GMT -5
You can go to the auction and save at least 6 or more horses from slaughter then if you go through CBER, they want 1,000 or more for each horse when you can get the same horse at the auction for 50 to 100 dollars, so if your really wanting to save horses then go to the auctions. I totally agree....And save them before they go to auction....I have 2 CBER, 1 auction and the rest saved locally....have 11 at this time... So many horses... chatty |
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Post by mtangel on Mar 9, 2009 12:37:14 GMT -5
No, not Sales tax. And even if so it would have only been the GELDINGS that tax would have been required on. That's what I wondered when I noticed them looking for 'sales tax.' I didn't think it was "legal" to do but I wasn't going to question it.  |
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Post by acarlson1980 on Mar 10, 2009 10:20:18 GMT -5
what floors me is that they are a rescue. since when does rescues add on extra fees for riding and sorting. this is stuff that should be done from the bottom of your heart. not our pockets. i would never charge someone to ride a horse. geezz. come one
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Post by michellep on Mar 10, 2009 10:50:28 GMT -5
Decided to modify my original post...suffice to say paid good money and dont think I got all the services I should have i.e. all the rides that I paid for. What I did get was a sh!tty trim job. My husband told me to wait until we got the horse home but I wouldnt listen, shame on me.
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Post by beckybee on Mar 10, 2009 20:15:05 GMT -5
Seeing Hot Plan found at SOS got me thinking. How many CBER horses adopted *to actual homes* (not Wayne) end up back with Chuck because they didn't work out?
I think I recall a couple that were listed quite a while ago that were recognized by volunteers. But now that Sam does 100% of the assessments would she relist them or sweep them under the rug?
There have got to be a bunch considering how many are recognized by other rescues, at auction, on craigslist, etc.
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Post by historydoc on Mar 18, 2009 9:31:21 GMT -5
In looking at those prices, I am astonished that anyone would fork over that kind of cash for a basically unknown horse with, what appears to be, questionable quarantine. I don't really think anything has changed, despite all the protests to the contrary.
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Post by caryn on Mar 23, 2009 21:12:06 GMT -5
In looking at those prices, I am astonished that anyone would fork over that kind of cash for a basically unknown horse with, what appears to be, questionable quarantine. I don't really think anything has changed, despite all the protests to the contrary. I paid less when I adopted my two, but it wasn't cheap. I live in California and transport is expensive. I paid all that money because "the truck was coming". The knowledge that a horse has one hoof on a slaughter truck and all it will take is some cash and a home to avoid that fate is a motivating one. It is astonishing that people would pay that kind of money for an unseen horse without history, but it's also a natural reaction given my inexperience with rescue and horse slaughter. I believe I was in a bit of shock. I had nightmares. It sounds stupid that I did not know about the horrific treatment that horses were facing, but the truth is, I did not know. I had heard of horses going to kill buyers before, but until I found CBER, I had not researched the "process". I had nightmares. I love my CBER horses and don't regret adopting them, but I would not adopt from CBER again. The prices listed above are way out of line. I know that now, but I didn't think about that then. That's my story anyway. Probably quite a few other rescue newbies went through the same thing. |
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Post by jenm on Mar 24, 2009 11:33:16 GMT -5
I paid less when I adopted my two, but it wasn't cheap. I live in California and transport is expensive. I paid all that money because "the truck was coming". The knowledge that a horse has one hoof on a slaughter truck and all it will take is some cash and a home to avoid that fate is a motivating one. It is astonishing that people would pay that kind of money for an unseen horse without history, but it's also a natural reaction given my inexperience with rescue and horse slaughter. I believe I was in a bit of shock. I had nightmares. It sounds stupid that I did not know about the horrific treatment that horses were facing, but the truth is, I did not know. I had heard of horses going to kill buyers before, but until I found CBER, I had not researched the "process". I had nightmares. I love my CBER horses and don't regret adopting them, but I would not adopt from CBER again. The prices listed above are way out of line. I know that now, but I didn't think about that then. That's my story anyway. Probably quite a few other rescue newbies went through the same thing. Our stories are almost identical. I think as long as "the truck is coming" people will continue to pay the ripoff prices. I think the fact that CBER has fewer supporters is creating a panic so the scammers need to find a way to get more money, hence the ridiculous fees. When I adopted, there was no mandatory QT, and CBER seemed to be doing just fine without it. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. I still don't understand how Sam gets away with having Camelot be the only approved facility for "mandatory" QT. I warned her and Marlene about that two years ago but they didn't seem to care. |
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Post by beckybee on Mar 24, 2009 16:39:11 GMT -5
I think the fact that CBER has fewer supporters is creating a panic so the scammers need to find a way to get more money So this last batch of 4 horses (Flash, Eddie, etc.) was supposed to ship on Saturday and needed all funds in Friday Evening. So when none of these horses was adopted by 6pm on Friday I'm guessing "the truck was delayed due to storms" until Monday? And since they weren't adopted on Monday, hallelujah and glory be, it's a miracle, and they were left off the truck? Or does Camelot have have open boarding spaces? |
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Post by gsdmom on Mar 24, 2009 17:33:01 GMT -5
They are listed as "shipped". Only Eddie was saved.
Kathy
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Post by sacreddog on Mar 24, 2009 17:37:07 GMT -5
That just makes me so sad. I would have loved to have had Garth. He was perfect.
How can I justify paying that much money, though, when I have people trying to give me horses for free???
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Post by beckybee on Mar 24, 2009 18:46:38 GMT -5
The really sad thing is Sam could have kept them off the slaughter truck
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Post by caryn on Mar 24, 2009 19:43:55 GMT -5
It is very sad that the horses shipped. RIP dear ones. Makes me sick to my stomach. The fact is, horses are shipping everyday from feedlots all over this country. I try to help wherever I can, but I will not line Sam's pockets and be emotionally manipulated into the poor house. I've spent thousands on horses from Chuck's lot and don't regret it. I just won't do it again. If I had room for another, I would rescue locally. If I had room for another and I was near Yakima, I'd bypass CBER and try to buy from Chuck or better yet, help a horse from auction or off craigslist before Chuck gets them.
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Post by Tate on Mar 24, 2009 23:15:57 GMT -5
Sadly, against my better judgement I went to look at the horses that shipped, what a shame for all of them but mostly Flash. What a beauty and well trained palomino, but I also have not supported CBER in a few years now.
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Post by mtangel on Mar 25, 2009 8:24:19 GMT -5
Although I am sad that horses shipped, I don't think anybody should feel badly for not supporting CBER, at least the CBER it has become. I do believe there was a good CBER when it started. On that note, I think the saying, "fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice shame on me" pertains.
I look up to the people who have helped CBER and the horses they have adopted(bought) and love, but I agree CBER needs to head down the trail. Rescue is NOT run the way they run it, but horse trading does.
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Post by jenm on Mar 25, 2009 11:34:51 GMT -5
Sadly, against my better judgement I went to look at the horses that shipped, what a shame for all of them but mostly Flash. What a beauty and well trained palomino, but I also have not supported CBER in a few years now. Based on what I have learned about the behind the scenes deception at CBER, there really is no proof those horses "shipped" other than Sam's word, which we all know means nothing. Keep in mind that Chuck Walker is a horse trader out to make money. If he thinks he can sell a horse privately, he will because he will make more money. It could very well be that Chuck still has those horses, but CBER needs more money and supporters so up go the posts about losing horses, and out come the wallets for the next round. Remember Sam's infamous post of crying at the lot while saying goodbye to the horses? There was no truck that morning, and certainly no sign of Sam bawling her eyes out as she watched the horses leave... Bottom line, don't believe anything you read on that board. |
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Mar 26, 2009 12:45:49 GMT -5
That just makes me so sad. I would have loved to have had Garth. He was perfect. How can I justify paying that much money, though, when I have people trying to give me horses for free??? Bingo!!!! And Sam should realize that. But she and the rest of the pretend "BOD" don't care. Or even if they do, as "BOD" they have no real powers. |
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Post by mbr on Mar 28, 2009 3:16:37 GMT -5
To be honest I don't think they care what happens to the horses, in a recent post on the CBER board about Dixie, she is a CBER horse and a person said she is up for sale on dreamhorse and drepp said the person that feeds the horse owns the horse and they have NO policy about rehoming, so I guess what ever happens happens... They save them from the feedlot who cares what happens after that.....
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