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Post by gypsyrn on Apr 13, 2009 1:34:18 GMT -5
I am having trouble with my current farrier returning my calls, so need to find someone who can work on my TB. He is a big boy (16.3 and about 1200 pounds) and has a history of trauma with shoeing so therefore (in the past) they always did his farrier work under sedation. We have worked with his feet a lot and have managed to do minor trims off and on, but it is just not enough. Now he has developed a crack in the front so I am going to have to do the same and have him done under sedation. Does anyone know of a farrier who has worked with horses with this sort of problem?
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Post by jenm on Apr 13, 2009 1:49:35 GMT -5
This would be a great question to post on BAEN. I can think of some good farriers here on the Peninsula, but it doesn't necessarily mean they will travel to the East Bay.
My first farrier helped Jamaica through some major feet handling issues, unfortunately, he was unreliable so I had to move on. I would still recommend him, but he lives on the coast so I don't know if he travels that far. I will PM you his info just in case.
My new farrier is also great and very reliable. He also does hooves for zoo and circus animals, so he has some interesting experience. He is out of Los Gatos, but I will PM you his info as well.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 13, 2009 11:44:55 GMT -5
Pat O'Hara is a good guy, works on quite a few under sedation so knows that route, and also is pretty good with my 'weird about it' ones...
just let him know ahead, so he is aware... and he will behave accordingly.
he also uses a nerve line on some that works to release endorphins and for some of the young ones who just aren't getting the message about holding still, it works without getting mad or even saying a word. It's a fat string that goes behind the poll and around to under the upper lip... they give it a tap tap, and the horse gets an endorphin release... and they vibrate the line to say 'good boy'...
I wasn't convinced the first time, then I said ok... and was amazed.
anyway, I'm happy to give you his number if you want..
oh, and he not only MAKES appointments, usually for the 'next' time while he's there, but he KEEPS them! amazing.
does shoes and trims...
he is the one who did my Sundance. put shoes on a barely halter broke 10 mo old haffie... what more can I say. :-)
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Post by gypsyrn on Apr 13, 2009 12:03:42 GMT -5
pnp4kidz I would be interested in Pat's number.....I don't want this crack to spread, and really need someone to work on him asap
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Post by kellyd on Apr 13, 2009 12:27:14 GMT -5
Pat O'Hara is a good guy, works on quite a few under sedation so knows that route, and also is pretty good with my 'weird about it' ones... just let him know ahead, so he is aware... and he will behave accordingly. he also uses a nerve line on some that works to release endorphins and for some of the young ones who just aren't getting the message about holding still, it works without getting mad or even saying a word. It's a fat string that goes behind the poll and around to under the upper lip... they give it a tap tap, and the horse gets an endorphin release... and they vibrate the line to say 'good boy'... I wasn't convinced the first time, then I said ok... and was amazed. anyway, I'm happy to give you his number if you want.. oh, and he not only MAKES appointments, usually for the 'next' time while he's there, but he KEEPS them! amazing. does shoes and trims... he is the one who did my Sundance. put shoes on a barely halter broke 10 mo old haffie... what more can I say. :-) Nerve Line goes under the upper lip? Ouch! That sounds really painful! |
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 13, 2009 12:48:03 GMT -5
well, I thought so too... but it doesn't hurt them, doesn't even leave any reddness...
and, it works.
worked for Diva, the yearling TB who had been on stall rest...
one farrier left and never could get her hinds done, and just gave up.
she was dancing, and swatting at her.
Pat put the line on... no fuss from her at all... except maybe smacking and licking.
He vibrated it a few times and she did the half closed eyes and drop head thing... pure joy.
then he picked up a foot, she danced, he tapped...
she at first was like 'what is THAT?'... so he did it one more time, tap tap when she tried to cream him to the ground...
and she stopped still.
he was very very good with it, immediate and it was when she even lifted a foot...
she then stood stock still quietly until he finished all four feet.
not one more tap.
amazing if you ask me.
the day before, with farrier number 1, she got screamed at, jerked on, turned in circles, backed up... you name it...
that day... she got rewards, the vibrating line...
and she got the 'message' in a way she understood it apparently...
all I want is your feet to stay still.
by the way, the next trim, 6 weeks later... no line needed til foot #4.
following trims, no line for almost a year now. she stands like a sleeping teddy bear now.
she is relaxed and knows her feet are supposed to stay still.
they don't use it in anger... it is more reward... and a very immediate reminder that they are not following the rules.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 13, 2009 12:58:17 GMT -5
Oh, and on a few occations his apprentice has said 'I'm getting the nerve line' when SHE is getting frustrated... but as she is slower and i know my horses... I've said, 'not yet', and occationally just even said "I think Pat needs to finish this one" and that did it...
the apprentice just can be too awkward and take too long and on my fussy old and sore ones, it can take it's toll and they begin to behave badly... but it really isn't THEIR fault and they KNOW what to do, it is just past their limit... and I want the aprentice to learn to use it in the correct time and place... not when SHE is frustrated.
:-)
done right, they (the farrier and apprentice) took it well.
They've only used in two of mine btw... well three now... they used it last weekend...
and he's been at my place going on three years now... and I have rescues... with huge issues... not all 'well behaved' as you all might imagine...
Gypsy, PM sent...!
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