Any CBER people reading here?

[atticus]

Dec 6, 2008 12:06:24 GMT -5 penny/pals said:

Dec 5, 2008 16:52:50 GMT -5 atticus said:

Ain't that the truth....and they left a LOOOOONG time ago, no one stepped up to the plate from CBER to pick up any of the CCG horses that were near death and being abused and no one stepped up to the plate to drive up to N. Washington to pick up Brunhilda when they knew she was standing knee deep in mud and had no food, to name a few. It is not a surprise and if you are surprised, you must have your eyes closed tight.

Okay guys I am a CBER volenteer/member... Sorry to deflate the balloon of anger/resentment here. When I offered I offered as a CBER volunteer. Also on Brunhilda if I had known and was available I would have offered to pick her up the CCG issue was a night mare for everyone.

Penny is was more of a nightmare for the people who actually picked up these horses and took care of them and had to rehab them without the help of CBER and with no money coming to help the people who took them in, and it was widely known what was going on with Brunhilda, so please do not down play the people who came to CBER's aid and do it over and over again. You can offer all you want but until you GET IN THE TRUCK and pick them up it doesn't mean crap. I hauled my hiney on new years day to Northern WA from OREGON and picked up Brunhilda myself because CBER said they didn't have time and then I placed her MYSELF! So until you get your hiney in the truck.....you can bet there is some resentment and rightfully so! It is WRONG to take money for these horses and then feel like you have no responsibility to them after they are placed.....that is not a rescue that is a horse trader/ seller. I resent them using the name rescue.....among other things.

For god sake, I will not even get into the CCG thing......the CBER mistakes would take all fricken day! They better thank their lucky stars other people got their hineys in the truck to pick up those horses!

[penny/pals]

Diago was a horse that I picked up that needed to be brought back to health. So don't indicate that I have not stepped up.. Sight checks and Adoption contracts are part of the process now that will help us remove horses. I currently do sight checks to make sure the horses are at least finding homes that will actually take care of them. I know some people on this board don't agree with adoption contracts but every horse that I place that I have rehabbed has one in place that gives me the right to remove said horse if it is being neglected. It also has a no breeding. no resale without prior approval.

[acarlson1980]

i have a question what is the ccg thing. just wondering.

[penny/pals]

some sicko that was into beastiality was adopting horses to play with

[atticus]

Dec 6, 2008 13:18:06 GMT -5 penny/pals said:

Diago was a horse that I picked up that needed to be brought back to health. So don't indicate that I have not stepped up.. Sight checks and Adoption contracts are part of the process now that will help us remove horses. I currently do sight checks to make sure the horses are at least finding homes that will actually take care of them. I know some people on this board don't agree with adoption contracts but every horse that I place that I have rehabbed has one in place that gives me the right to remove said horse if it is being neglected. It also has a no breeding. no resale without prior approval.

I am happy they have that now Penny, but they still need to remove the horses if they need help that they placed PRIOR to them doing the site checks and adoption contracts, and really BE THERE if they need help, not rely on other people to clean up after the damage is done. Like I said "doesn't mean crap unless they get their hiney's in the truck."

[leosolis]

Question then...how many actual site checks have been done? and if the place is found not to be acceptable what do you do? Because I have never heard of CBER taking any horses back...CCG was the exception & then cber drug there feet & did nothing for as long as they could....

Also because a cber volunteer/member says something on a mesage board, when the former & current presidents have done nothing but ignore the situtaion regarding Dean...Oh we'll help...really??? When...when exactly were you planning on doing that? Because not allowing her on the message board doesn't really indicate that your willing to help.. IMO going to CBER isn't exactly a great place for the 2 hardest to place mares...

[Kirsten]

I just wanted to post this letter from Sam...as this is where I REALLY started to doubt some things and get a bit frustrated with the whole charade. Or perhaps my kool-aid wasn't starting to taste too good anymore! ha ha...anyways...

Email:
Fwd: Trying to call youþ
From: Samantha Milbredt ([e-mail])
Sent: October 31, 2008 2:42:23 PM
To: Kirsten Janz ([e-mail])
Cc: Karan Kees ([e-mail])

>> Hi there,
I hope you are well. I am hearing that you have a few questions about adoption fees, that is great, that way you will understand why we do what we do.
This would be easier over the phone and I have tried to call you but could not reach you - I will try hear.

Not all the money comes in on each truck. There are unaccounted paypal fees, checks that are never sent, brand inspections, trims, bags of grain, vet bills and wormer not paid. As a group we confirmed what was started in the New Adoption and Fundraising post and voted on the adoption fee. There were a few reasons for the unanimous vote, one stated above and two giving horses away is asking for trouble.

So we have extra funds lets say in Shadowfax's adoption - that is great! It will go to support Jasper, Buck, Laurel or Kit Cat. They all need their feet done, vaccinations, board, rerides, none of this can take place without money. The expenses never end, you know that from owning your own horses.

The math is simple 10 horses saved CBER has $1,000 to run off of 20 horses saved $2,000, 30 horses saved $3,000 and that is if all paypal fees are covered and not one mistake is made (that never happens). That is nothing for a business to operate on. Last but not least CBER is 20,000 in DEBT, would be a crime to start making more then the minimum payment on that debt? Having more money to operate on is a very good thing not a bad thing.

Last but not least the whoo fund is for supporting horses we can not bale more horses when we have the obligation for support horses already off the lot i.e. Buck, Jasper, Laurel, Lupin (funds are still short) and Kit Cat. I thought you understood this already.

Let me know if this helps clear things up. Please feel free to call me with your concerns.
Thanks,

Sam

P.S. The $143.25 (paypal fees were not included) that was sent in for Blackberry did not even finish paying her bale off. That fee will not include any farrier or vet care and she needs her feet done terribly.
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"I am hearing that you have a few questions about adoption fees, that is great, that way you will understand why we do what we do."

My questions was mainly in regard to Shadowfax.
BAIL: $575
QT: $300
Haul: $30

SUB-TOTAL: $905 x 3% Paypal Fees=$27.15

TOTAL NEEDED: $932.15

Her ENTIRE amount was raised by members of the board. So, in that case, as I was previously informed, Shadow was now available on Gift Contract. I was explained that Gift Contract means no adoption fee/no qt fee as long as the horse was homed in the 30 days. However, the adopter adopting a GC horse would have to pay the typical vet, coggins, farrier fee....I was told to quote that amount as $150.00. So Shadow was available on GC with of course the adopter having to pay the $150 care fees.

And in regards to the New Adoption Policy it CLEARLY states, I remember as I was asked to write it,

For horses that are available on Gift Contract and a new adopter would like to adopt a horse that is available on Gift Contract, we request that a donation be made to the HOOH Fund which can then be turned around and used towards another horse in need of rescuing.

I was then told that someone not from any boards..or cyberspace was coming to look at Shadow (so obviously would NOT know that this horse had been rescued by donations of many wonderful people). This person spent a few days with her...and then I found out that they were charging him her adoption fee...AGAIN!! So of course Sam posted, a "thank god we charged an adoption fee for shadowfax!" And then went on to list where the fees would be going..to Shadow's trim, Jaspers trim, Buck trim, Celebrity trim...my question did the adopter ALSO get charged $150.00 for coggins, vet, farrier as well?? Never got answered.

Moving on...."Last but not least the whoo fund is for supporting horses we can not bale more horses when we have the obligation for support horses already off the lot i.e. Buck, Jasper, Laurel, Lupin (funds are still short) and Kit Cat. I thought you understood this already."

UMMMM....WHOA??!! Hooh Fund WAS NOT supposed to be for supporting horses...I was told there was a "general" fund that was used to support horses. So...in all reality Sam was saying that the HOOH FUND=GENERAL FUND.
Now, when I wrote up the HOOH fund it was not my understanding that I was writing just another fancy way of saying please donate to the General Fund!! The HOOH Fund was supposed to be created for feedlot horses rescuing only...to recycle funds....it was mentioned that SOS had a good fund like that...and people would like to see something like created with CBER. So....I asked if we should maybe get a different paypal account for the HOOH fund...but was told no.

I then wrote it up:
Fund Name: HOOFPRINTS ON OUR HEARTS...aka HOOH FUND.

PURPOSE: To be used for the main purposeof helping horses that need more funds that could not be raised in time. And to be used for horses that have home offers but the adopter needs help with funds.

So, after I was told that the HOOH Fund was just another word for her general fund...I asked for someone to please clarify to the members...didn't happen..I also asked to open a spot on the board to keep track of all the incoming donations for the Hooh, keep it updated, show which donations went to help which feedlot horse, which adopters who adopted a horse on GC donated how much money to the HOOH fund and show how the hooh fund is recycling funds;

From: Kirsten Janz <[e-mail]>
To: M, Sam; Macbean, Kay; Kees, Karan
Cc: McGinnis, Jonna
Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:20 pm
Subject: HOOH FUND TRACKING


I think in order to keep donations coming in for HOOH that we will need to keep an honest tracking of the donations and what it is used for on the BOARD so all can see....this way people will feel better donating to the HOOH.....and will help CBER keep an HONEST face!!! Just my suggestion...and if we can get it going asap.

Thanks!
Kirsten


....didn't happen. But then again why would it if its just the "general" fund?!!

Anyways, just another little tidbit I needed to vent about.

[Kirsten]

Dec 6, 2008 0:13:24 GMT -5 TashGaia said:

Not only that, but it is a pretty unlikely threat.

Kirsten never signed any contract, application, code or paperwork... and Kirsten lives in a foreign country!

Nope never did sign anything. And hmmm....I think both Canada and US. have this thing called "Freedom of Speech".

Cheers!
Kirsten

[penny/pals]

Dec 6, 2008 15:30:13 GMT -5 leosolis said:

Question then...how many actual site checks have been done? and if the place is found not to be acceptable what do you do? Because I have never heard of CBER taking any horses back...CCG was the exception & then cber drug there feet & did nothing for as long as they could....

Also because a cber volunteer/member says something on a mesage board, when the former & current presidents have done nothing but ignore the situtaion regarding Dean...Oh we'll help...really??? When...when exactly were you planning on doing that? Because not allowing her on the message board doesn't really indicate that your willing to help.. IMO going to CBER isn't exactly a great place for the 2 hardest to place mares...

I just started as the site check Coordinator and so far there has been one person that had an application rejected due to a sitecheck. Also Dean informed me personally when I called her asking when I could pick up the mares that you were taking them. Are they at your place yet?

[lorsadoon]

Penny, I have no doubt that you have the horses best interests in mind. But I think you are going to be in for a rude awakening in the future. The organization you are pouring your heart into will use you up then discard you when they are done. If you were to take back any CBER horses, it would end up being on your dime.

Just imagine if with the bad economy, what would happen if many adopters could not take care of their horses and wanted to send them back to CBER. What would they do with them. How many have they actually taken back over the years versus how many they have been asked to take back? They have almost always pawned THEIR RESOPONSIBILITY off on other people. How many would you alone be able to afford to care for. Because rest assured, you would be alone.

Hytyme took many of the CCG horses, I went to Eugene to get Morph, I arranged rehoming of Mindy and Mandy. All CBER did was give lip service to the issue. Like Ashley said. Unless they got in the truck and WENT AND GOT THE HORSE, they did not do anything. Except talk about it.

[rodeo51]

Penny, I also think you are in for a rude awakening. I supported CBER since 05 and they just dumped me. They are not who you think they are! They use you up and throw you away when they are finished with you and you are no longer useful to them.
I sent an email off to Shelly, Karen, Diane R, & Sam and only heard back from Sam. The following is what was sent back to me by Sam and what I emailed them.

My Mother is dieing of Terminal Cancer - I am not longer pres so don't not send this s - - - to me.


Sam






On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:31 PM, [e-mail] wrote:


I am sending this to all of you cause right about now I am really pissed!.
I have been away from CBER because I was talking care of my mother in my own home because she was in heart failure....I also had to work my business. My mother passed away July 14th. At that point I was executor of her estate and had to get all of her household belongings out of Moses Lake and put the house up for sale. I told Sam I had to take a break because off all of this....she said fine take as long as you wish and come back when your ready. I feel for Sam now that she is going through the same kind of thing I was going through.
How dare you Karen assume anything of the sort about me sending stuff to Tash. You have got to be the biggest dumb ass I have ever seen. You don't even know me! I worked long and hard on this board when it was created along with Sam Sheri Graff, Geri & Kerstan. Being thrown off without any sort of contact is a bunch of crap! Don't tell me you had no clue of how to get a hold of me or what my email is. I bet if you tried you could have found it. I have never been so rudely treated like this from anyone who represents CBER. I hope to god Sam your reading all of this....Your d**n lucky I didn't post this on the board...

Below is is something that was sent to me.....and now everything makes sense.

Karen feels or felt that Jackie was letting Tash in on her admin account on the CBER board. Especially when she saw Tash post on the RO about all the members, (who's active, who's not) and how Tash and whomever else was emailing Georgina about Sundance....(as Gina supposedly had her email hidden from "guests").

So, she demoted Jackie.

Karanoid is even dumber then I though. Until Dec 2nd, Jackie had NOT EVEN LOGGED INTO HER ACCOUNT for months and if Karan had bothered looking at her profile she would have seen that Jackie's last login date was months ago. Jackie had a bunch of personal problems and then was super busy. The only reason she even logged in at this point was that I told her that I had noticed she had been destaffed.

- Tash


The information posted before Tash's statement was made by Kirsten.

At this time I could care less about CBER...the only thing good about them is they gave me my wonderful mare Katey.
Your going to have to find out in your own good time Penny what CBER is really all about....and I truly believe you will in time.

[TashGaia]

Dec 7, 2008 2:29:07 GMT -5 rodeo51 said:

I am not longer pres so don't not send this s - - - to me.

I'd just like to point out that the email address that Jackie sent that to, and the one which Sam replied from, was [e-mail]

[halfwayhome]

Jackie, I am very sorry to hear about your Mom. I hope things are settling down a bit for you and glad that Katie is doing well. I am not surprised how you were treated by cber, that seems to be the modus operandi with them. While I am VERY sorry to hear about S's mom and wish that on no one, S was never sympathetic about anyone else with someone in the hospital, but expects it from everyone when it affects her. At the time I was the only one covering the lot and doing all the legwork and much hauling for them, my son was injured and had to undergo hospitalization and neurosurgery for a fractured skull with bleeding in the sinus cavities, it was very serious. At that time I informed cber and and asked that someone else needed to help the horses as I had to be at the hospital. Imagine my surprise when I kept getting cell phone calls and messages from s wanting to discuss the horses, the lot, etc etc etc, multiple times when I had expressed a need to have time to help my family. So it was fine for her to ask for time to not be bothered by business, but she sure didn't think about anyone else needing the same courtesy/sympathy. I also took in a ccg horse that was about 2 days from dying, he was so sick and emaciated. We got the vet, paid for all expenses and saved his life and he became fat and shiny when taken care of, but never got boo from cber in regard to saving him or his care. This was the case with many of the other horses saved from her. They knew for months that some of the cber horses at other locations should be taken back, but always would waffle on doing it for one reason or another. So while I thank you Penny for your willingness to help and do the right thing, be careful because as many others have tried to tell you, the founder of that organization does not care about anyone but herself. I love the horses, do not get me wrong and will always help horses, but not through cber. You need to ask yourself why MANY dedicated and caring volunteers who put heart and soul into it are no longer with them, there are only so many "excuses" that can be made to account for that...

[Kirsten]

Dec 7, 2008 2:49:17 GMT -5 TashGaia said:

Dec 7, 2008 2:29:07 GMT -5 rodeo51 said:

I am not longer pres so don't not send this s - - - to me.

I'd just like to point out that the email address that Jackie sent that to, and the one which Sam replied from, was [e-mail]

Yep....Shelley does NOT get the cberpres addy. Nor does she get control of the finances. Poor Shelley is just their new "fall" guy.
Here is a instant messages convo between Karan and I regarding Shelley's new status:

DATE TIME FROM TO MESSAGE
11/24/2008 2:41:42 PM Karan Kirsten hehehe Well guess what?
11/24/2008 2:41:49 PM Kirsten Karan ??
11/24/2008 2:41:54 PM Karan Kirsten She is going to be President
11/24/2008 2:42:02 PM Kirsten Karan shelley?
11/24/2008 2:42:16 PM Karan Kirsten yep
11/24/2008 2:42:19 PM Kirsten Karan i quit
11/24/2008 2:42:42 PM Karan Kirsten Sam is doing the horses
11/24/2008 2:42:50 PM Kirsten Karan oh my god that is the WORSE decision
11/24/2008 2:42:51 PM Karan Kirsten shelley is just the drama
11/24/2008 2:42:58 PM Kirsten Karan are you serious
11/24/2008 2:43:06 PM Karan Kirsten yep
11/24/2008 2:43:33 PM Karan Kirsten Sam wants to step down and I cant cause of my past
11/24/2008 2:43:45 PM Karan Kirsten they would chew me up
11/24/2008 2:43:49 PM Kirsten Karan well hope you kow that she will want to get rid of me then
11/24/2008 2:43:56 PM Karan Kirsten she cant
11/24/2008 2:44:11 PM Karan Kirsten we are our own dept
11/24/2008 2:44:25 PM Karan Kirsten you and me are PS
11/24/2008 2:44:49 PM Karan Kirsten she isnt going to do anything without the bod's ok
11/24/2008 2:45:04 PM Kirsten Karan BAD
11/24/2008 2:45:20 PM Karan Kirsten we can see what happens
11/24/2008 2:45:29 PM Karan Kirsten I think it will be OK
11/24/2008 2:45:36 PM Kirsten Karan is there no one else?? diane? kathy?
11/24/2008 2:45:50 PM Karan Kirsten she isnt doing anything without all of us approving it
11/24/2008 2:46:10 PM Karan Kirsten nope they are BOD
11/24/2008 2:46:14 PM Karan Kirsten and Kay
11/24/2008 2:46:34 PM Kirsten Karan when is this happening
11/24/2008 2:46:43 PM Karan Kirsten maybe today
11/24/2008 2:46:59 PM Kirsten Karan was there going to be an email sent to ALL Staff?
11/24/2008 2:47:06 PM Karan Kirsten yep
11/24/2008 2:47:17 PM Karan Kirsten as soon as all the board oks
11/24/2008 2:47:18 PM Kirsten Karan so u and sam decided this or what?
11/24/2008 2:47:23 PM Karan Kirsten no
11/24/2008 2:47:29 PM Karan Kirsten sam and shelley
11/24/2008 2:47:33 PM Karan Kirsten then me
11/24/2008 2:47:44 PM Karan Kirsten I think it will be better for Sam
11/24/2008 2:47:55 PM Kirsten Karan yeah but not shelley
11/24/2008 2:48:01 PM Kirsten Karan oh well thats my HO
11/24/2008 2:48:06 PM Karan Kirsten hehe
11/24/2008 2:48:22 PM Karan Kirsten dont worry it doesnt effect me and you
11/24/2008 2:52:37 PM Kirsten Karan what exactly will her role be??
11/24/2008 2:52:46 PM Karan Kirsten ummmm
11/24/2008 2:52:53 PM Karan Kirsten apps queen
11/24/2008 2:53:27 PM Karan Kirsten no difference really
11/24/2008 2:53:40 PM Kirsten Karan she will just take the heat?
11/24/2008 2:54:38 PM Karan Kirsten Kirsten says: she will just take the heat?
11/24/2008 2:54:41 PM Karan Kirsten yep

[Kirsten]

11/24/2008 2:42:51 PM Karan Kirsten shelley is just the drama

How NICE of Karan to say that of her "friend".

11/24/2008 2:44:49 PM Karan Kirsten she isnt going to do anything without the bod's ok

Um...already proved that WRONG.

11/24/2008 2:53:40 PM Kirsten Karan she will just take the heat?
11/24/2008 2:54:38 PM Karan Kirsten Kirsten says: she will just take the heat?
11/24/2008 2:54:41 PM Karan Kirsten yep

GOOD LUCK SHELLEY!!!

[Kirsten]

On November 25,2008 a member joined the board named Winterpony....she started asking some very good questions...Karan posted the staffs meeting minutes, and winterpony highlighted a few points and asked some more very good questions. Karan started flipping wanting to immediately ban winterpony. I stuck up for winterpony and told Karan to hold on...she is just asking some questions....(winterpony said the word "ass" in one of her posts, and Karan said "There she violated a rule!" I said huh?? Karan replied, "She said ASS, board states no swearing allowed." COME ON KARAN....RELAX. Anyways, winterpony was soon banned afterwards, of course...and The following questions still remain unanswered....again, why am I NOT surprised. Well...I will answer to the best of my knowledge and also to what I was told........

winterpony
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Re: Meeting Minutes 10/11/08
« Reply #1 on Nov 25, 2008, 9:42am »

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Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: People who paid cash for horse even if app pending get 1st choice

Q. Does this mean that if someone is willing to pay cash up front for a horse that they may adopt that horse before their application has even been checked fully out?

Kirsten's Answer: Um, yes. If someone shows up at Sam's farm to see a horse that is available and hands her cash, NO APP is done on that adopter. Oh sure, the name and phone number may be taken down...but an email or call is never sent to say so and so just adopted said horse. And the only post that may go on the board is "CBER XXX HAS BEEN ADOPTED INTO A WONDERFUL AND LOVING HOME!! WHOO HOO!!" Then the thread is moved into the adopted section...no updates or anything.



Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: NO MORE FREE HORSES... There will be no more GC horses at CBER. Potential adopts will have to pay 300.00 to get horse.

Q. The purpose of gift contract is to find homes for horses that are otherwise undesirable. Is CBER going to put down the horses that would normally be in gift contract rather then giving them to a home? Frodo, Sundance, etc.

Kirsten's Answer: Or take them to the "CAT FARM" or send them to Waynes to be a broodmare, or send them to Sam's "friend", never got a name, to be trained the old cowboy way and be used for a rodeo horse. (More to come on that.)

Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: HOOH fund is the general fund there is no difference.

Q. I thought the HOOH fund was specifically to pull horses who were going to ship? That is what the email said.

Kirsten's Answer: BINGO!!!! I thought so too or else I would have NEVER EVER started that HOOH Fund Email and Thread!!! Why not tell people on the board that the HOOH FUND = GENERAL FUND. See my previous post about this....very frustrating one for me....

Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: There are horses going to homes that are not documented. Karen will work on getting the info for some past horses to Shelley....This is a problem. There are horses that have no documentation on which homes they go to.

Q. What horses is this talking about?

Kirsten's Answer: Umm..maybe the ones that Sam has that are available of Gift Contract, been returned by adopter, been sponsoring for awhile, then suddenly, they have a home!! No app submitted, nada, just "this horse is off to a good home". (Again more to come on this..with specifics.)

Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: Only Sam can approve adopter without apps.

Q. Why are any people getting horses without apps? Or is this related to question #1 where you don't need an approved app if you are paying cash?

Kirsten's Answer: Well, if you show up at Sam's and wave some moola in her face...of course YOUR AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED!!! And yes, related to question 1. I guess Sam "gets a good feel of the adopter" and therefore the horse is good to go to that home. Uh-huh...sure.....

Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: Get apps automated...

Q. What does this mean? I thought the app was automated when I applied.

Kirsten's Answer: Um...not sure about this one..lol...

Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: Changes to Bill of Sale Removing check list and adding it to the new modified app when electronic app is complete. This will give applicants the ability to initial disclaimer.

Q. I never got a BOS for my horses even though I paid for them via Paypal to get them off the lot and their QT too. Since you wouldn't get the BOS until after you paid for the horse (and potentially until after your application was reviewed per question #1) what happens if you don't want to initial a disclaimer? Do you not get the horse even though you have paid for it?

Kirsten's Answer: I am not too sure about this...but I do know that Sam is WAY behind on issuing tax deductible receipts to all donators and as well as the BOS.


Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: QT Length for horses 15.00 a day vs. 10.00 a day for 30 day QT, need to add discloser for QT. Horses can leave after 21 days with no refund of remaining board if healthy

Q. Am I reading this right? $450 for Yakima and even if you don't stay 30 days you still have to pay for 30?

Kirsten's Answer: Well a few months ago Sam was considering cutting the QT in half...only $150 for two weeks....but then...suddenly she wants to start charging more for QT. Many horses have left early...some even after only being there for 7 days...(these are the horses that the members of the cber board have donated/saved...horse available on GC and an adopter comes and see the horse in QT and picks her up the next day.) And no, no refund....whatsoever.

Nov 25, 2008, 9:20am, Karan wrote: ANY HORSES IN QT or Boarding that are late on board are subject to seizure if board is not paid in 10 days of due date. Board is due 1st of month for ALL boarders NO EXCEPTIONS... Board is due at 1st of the month. If not paid horse reverts to CBER.

Q. Is this a CBER or Camelot Farms policy? How can a debt owed to Camelot Farms result in a seizure of property by CBER. This is not legal.

Kirsten's Answer: Very good question....one that I wish SAM herself would answer.
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Also wanted to add the Staff's email correspondence during this time:

CONTINUE OF ISSUE~WINTERPONY QUESTIONING

During the whole time of winterpony posting the questions Karan was frantically wanting to ban her...I kept saying hold on, she hasn't done anything to violate the board rules....and further to that, to ban someone you need the Staff Vote...

So, she sent an email to the staff asking for all to say "aye" in favor of banning winterpony:

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; kay m; diane repp; [e-mail]; jonna m ;melis l; Kathy T
Subject: Winterpony
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:16:05 -0800


All in favor say aye
Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER

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RE: Winterponyþ
From: Kirsten Janz ([e-mail])
Sent: November 25, 2008 1:27:26 PM
To: Karan Kees ([e-mail]); Samantha Milbredt ([e-mail]); [e-mail]; [e-mail]; Diane Repp; Jonna McGinnis melis l; kathy t; Sam M ([e-mail])

Not yet. I see nothing wrong with people asking questions that were obviously not properly announced/explained. If we continue to ban people that say something even a little bit negative, that will only raise more questions and draw more suspicion that CBER is trying to "hide" something.

A professional and respected organization allows questions to be asked by members/"outsiders". And these questions should be properly answered. If and only if, a member continues to be beligerent and does become disrespectful, then it should be reviewed and decided to warn the member of being banned and if they continue and if they ignore the warning, then they should be banned.

Thanks,
Kirsten

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Re: Winterponyþ
Sent: November 25, 2008 2:09:24 PM

From: Kathy T.


Kirsten,



I fully understand your reasoning here, but it isn't just her (winterpony's) questions that are the problem. Valid questions are one thing; winterpony's tone and insistence are another. She is clearly only trying to stir things up and make accusations.


Right now the tone of the message board is wonderful. The kind of thing winterpony is doing has the distinct potential to poison that. I firmly believe we should not let her do that. I believe she's already crossed the line and should be banned now.


If you refuse to ban her, then she should be CLEARLY warned. If she refuses to comply and does ONE (even ONE questionable) thing after the warning, she should be banned immediately.


Well that's my take on it.


Thanks for reading.
Kathy
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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; jonna m; melis l; kathy t.
Subject: RE: Winterpony
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:54:48 -0800

Kirsten you are the only nay now she is a fuglyite and troublemaker and has insulted quite a few members


Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER

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Sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 6:55 pm
Subject: RE: Winterpony


I'm not the only "nay" as I can tell from these emails...only u and Kathy have spoken FOR banning her. I don't care at this point....just know and understand where I am coming from with people asking questions....she went thru the mtg mins and raised some questions...actually some were good ones in my POV. I do NOT agree with people disrespecting other members and being assholes...but asking questions is allowed and as a 501c we HAVE to answer questions to the best of the org.'s ability.

Thanks.

Kirsten

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Re: Winterponyþ
From: Samantha Milbredt ([e-mail])
Sent: November 26, 2008 12:46:11 PM
To: Karan Kees ([e-mail])
Cc: kathy; Jonna M; Columbia Basin Equine Rescue ([e-mail]); [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; Melis

First those that know Winterpony know she is trouble. Also we all agree that questions are fine but they need to be presented with respect. Winterpony did not show an once of respect towards CBER. Back to the same old - if they do not like us then go support a rescue you do like. We will not be able to please the fanatics and those that want us to be a sanctuary. We should be concerned with those that support us not oppose us.


Sam

[Kirsten]

So..since I stuck up for Winterpony and a few other members...I then received this so nice email from KARAN. Oh and the board she mentions, is the SAFE board that I became a member of, but I guess is a crime.

Here is a taste of her character:

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject:
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:33:17 -0800


I want you to take a moment and think back to when SOS ousted you and how horrible you felt at every attack they made on you. OK now lets add your Mom terminally ill on top of that feeling and hell toss in your Dad going blind, Then lets see... How bout we add your future...Your home gone and no money.. a bunch of horses and no where to keep them..... And then the vultures keep circling attacking you at every turn bringing up the past posting it all over... the same sh*t everytime. Its been hashed over and rehashed a million times But hell Sam's down lets do it again for laughs.

And you want to keep all these bitches on the board? Why? Then you run and join their board. Why? What did Sam do to you? Real compassion you show Kirsten... Nice job.


Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER

[debedoo]

YA KNOW, KIRSTEN... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! YOU HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO VENT BUT IT IS GETTING REALLY OLD! NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE SUBJECTED TO YOUR BITTERNESS AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE. ALL OF THIS IS WAAAAY OFF OF WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT: SAVING THE HORSES. REMEMBER SAVING THE HORSES, KIRSTEN? I KNOW IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, BUT THEN AGAIN MAYBE YOU SHOULD START YOUR OWN WEBSITE FOR THAT.

AND... GO AHEAD AND BAN ME IF YOU WANT TO ADMINISTRATOR. I DON'T CARE. THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.

[TashGaia]

Is what Kirsten is saying false or a lie?

She has done a lot to promote CBER in her time, if she has learned that her promotions were in falseness then she not only has the right but the duty to correct any inaccurate impressions that she gave.

[rodeo51]

Dec 8, 2008 11:35:51 GMT -5 debedoo said:

YA KNOW, KIRSTEN... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! YOU HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO VENT BUT IT IS GETTING REALLY OLD! NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE SUBJECTED TO YOUR BITTERNESS AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE. ALL OF THIS IS WAAAAY OFF OF WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT: SAVING THE HORSES. REMEMBER SAVING THE HORSES, KIRSTEN? I KNOW IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, BUT THEN AGAIN MAYBE YOU SHOULD START YOUR OWN WEBSITE FOR THAT.

AND... GO AHEAD AND BAN ME IF YOU WANT TO ADMINISTRATOR. I DON'T CARE. THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.

I like reading what Kirstan has to say...kind of interesting stuff. ;D

[debedoo]

I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYTHING SHE IS SAYING IS FALSE... I'M SAYING THAT THE MAIN ISSUE ON THIS BOARD IS... OR SHOULD BE... ABOUT SAVING HORSES... NOT AIRING DIRTY LAUNDRY IN EVERYONE ELSE'S FACE. I GO ON HERE TO SEE WHAT HORSES NEED HELP. IF I WANT TO BE SUBJECTED TO A SOAP OPERA I'LL TURN ON THE TV AND WATCH ONE!

[TashGaia]

Dec 8, 2008 11:59:46 GMT -5 debedoo said:

I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYTHING SHE IS SAYING IS FALSE... I'M SAYING THAT THE MAIN ISSUE ON THIS BOARD IS... OR SHOULD BE... ABOUT SAVING HORSES... NOT AIRING DIRTY LAUNDRY IN EVERYONE ELSE'S FACE. I GO ON HERE TO SEE WHAT HORSES NEED HELP. IF I WANT TO BE SUBJECTED TO A SOAP OPERA I'LL TURN ON THE TV AND WATCH ONE!

Do you have caps lock on or are you screaming?

If you don't want to read this thread... don't.

[lorsadoon]

Yup, that is what I was going to say.

[shell]

Hummmmm, interesting stuff. Sad that those that are supposed to be doing a good thing in saving horses from slaugter trucks can be so manipulative & lie so well to boot. I really feel bad for the horses as they are the ones being put in harms way yet again. No, I think that the next time I purchase a horse it will be from a private party. That way my money goes directly to one person and I get the horse taht I want. Too many lies, back stabbing, and treachery here for my liking. Too bad really, it paints a terrible picture for all rescues. Maybe everyone ought to think about that, and let this bickering die. After all there is a horse out there that has been discarded, sold through auction, and waiting to die on a feedlot. Come on all you rescue people, time to do it right by your supporters and make it about rescuing good horses that will shortly be dead. Cut out the bull and get it right............

[kellyd]

I would like to hear the story/truth about cber Kimmy & Kirsten is the one who can tell it.

[michellep]

Maybe somebody should start from the beginning and lay it all out.

[TashGaia]

Maybe we need a section just for this stuff so that each "issue" can have it's own thread. I'm not even sure what "Kimmy" issue there is although I am sure it has probably been mentioned in this thread already and I have just lost track of it due to the sheer volume of information to go through.

[Kirsten]

First of all...

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Re: Kirsten?
« Reply #1 Today at 9:48am »

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Kirsten is no longer a part of CBER. She decided to leave on her own accord. Please email her if you are wanting to contact her.

GRRR!!! Can someone go on the cber board and post this RO link so all can see the TRUTH!!! Man oh man!!! CRAZY!! Helloooo..Shelley do you not remember sending me the VIOLATION OF CBER POLICY EMAIL??? Whatever...if people are wondering where I am...I'm here posting my past experiences with CBER on the RO BOARD!!! OVER HERE! LOOK!! hehehehe...this is getting funny now.

[Kirsten]

Dec 8, 2008 11:59:46 GMT -5 debedoo said:

I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYTHING SHE IS SAYING IS FALSE... I'M SAYING THAT THE MAIN ISSUE ON THIS BOARD IS... OR SHOULD BE... ABOUT SAVING HORSES... NOT AIRING DIRTY LAUNDRY IN EVERYONE ELSE'S FACE. I GO ON HERE TO SEE WHAT HORSES NEED HELP. IF I WANT TO BE SUBJECTED TO A SOAP OPERA I'LL TURN ON THE TV AND WATCH ONE!

So, you know that this thread is NOT about saving horses that have been posted on the RO board that need saving...you know its about EXPOSING SOME TRUTHS about CBER....so WHY EVEN LOOK AT THIS THREAD?? And you should also know that NO CBER HORSES ARE LISTED ON HERE...unless its a previous adopter looking for a new home....but you still won't find that on this thread!

If it bothers you so much...DON'T READ IT!! SIMPLE!!!!!!! And I think Days of Our Lives is on the tele right now if you wanna check that out!!

Cheers!

[Kirsten]

Dec 8, 2008 14:52:55 GMT -5 TashGaia said:

Maybe we need a section just for this stuff so that each "issue" can have it's own thread. I'm not even sure what "Kimmy" issue there is although I am sure it has probably been mentioned in this thread already and I have just lost track of it due to the sheer volume of information to go through.

That is a good idea...I'd have no problem posting in the appropriate section...