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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2009 14:42:00 GMT -5
I am not sure I can handle all the foaling stress from two!
but here we go!
that Overo mare in foal down in San Diego, turns out to be the daughter of my Sunday's half sister (both are out of Grease Paint, stallion)....
neither has the work 'sunday' in any past lineage, so it is just fate from 22 years ago or more that got our mare named 'sunday' and her half sister ALSO named sunday.... and then someone named that mare's daughter sunday... and lo these many years later, it got her a soft spot to land (I hope literally AND figuratively!)
She is skinny, wooly, and in foal, and has some condition that makes it very painful for her to get to laying, or to get back up.
any thoughts on potential causes for that appreciated.
She was a halter horse, and owner said last year the vet pointed out that she has hock issues from epiphysitis as a foal (pushed to grow big for showing), so, maybe that is part of it?
anyway... we are waiting patiently for Swissie to pick her up at 3 ish, and get her home. She is 'safe' at the old owners, but I hope we can offer some additional resources to get her weight back up, and offer a warm stall with DEEP bedding to allow her to lay down more easily...
I might start her a poo pile to lay in in her paddock... sounds yukky but they said that is her preference for laying down... in the back yard poo pile, as it is soft landing. I'm sure it's warm too.
I could make that out of wood chips too huh?
well, we have lots of poo... :-) easy to get that...
any one who can offer suggestions, or of course donations... very appreciated. We will get pics posted as soon as we get them and know more from there...
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Post by agilitygal on Mar 30, 2009 15:16:51 GMT -5
I've been reading your posts. Very excited here! So glad she is going to have what is probably the best chance for herself. With your care and concern, she may blossom and get herself through this pregnancy. Hope the trip to your house isn't too hard on her.
Thanks for the updates. I'll keep checking!
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Post by beckybee on Mar 30, 2009 16:45:11 GMT -5
Why do I hear that monster truck announcer "Sunday SUNDAY Sunday!" in my head. May your paddocks be as big as your heart  How about DSLD? I think it's pretty common in the halter horses. Here are some links for more info: www.freewebs.com/dsldhorse/index.htmdsldequine.info/and to the Yahoo group: tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DSLD-equine/I don't know her symptoms. If she has elevated iron/ferrite levels is is possible. Symptoms are exacerbated by alfalfa (high iron), so if a horse is thin, people often feed alfalfa and causes a flare up. Lameness is often intermittent and hard to diagnose as it fluctuates with diet. Just thought I'd throw it out there. What's your PayPal addy? |
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2009 16:52:30 GMT -5
Thanks Becky,
I'm hoping that the weather holds, and I can keep all the others out in pastures, and keep my paddocks empty like they are now!
She was a halter horse, so maybe DSLD...
she is on a diet of mostly Bermuda, with only half a flake of alfalfa once a day, so that is likely why her weight is off, she needs more concentrated calories for some reason.
the owner before says she needed more/better shelter... not sure what that's about...
and even tho she was losing weight they never gave her any pelleted suppliments... or beet pulp or anything... just the hay.
she had her teeth done last summer...
she is certain it is pain that is making her weight stay off... and she is probably right.
I am a member on that DSLD yahoo group, I may post there...
We shall all see pics in an hour when Swissie gets her to her house... I'm waiting with baited breath... it's hard to concentrate on work right now, as it's ten minutes to 'pick up'.
my paypal is pnp4kidz@aol.com and I truely appreciate any help....
any thoughts on names too... hehe. both mares in their twenties, called Sunday all their lives... we gotta think of SOMETHING to differentiate them! LOL!
oh, one great thing of this weekend, a friend has 50 acres or so in a town near us, all pasture land... irrigated I believe... and she has one foal coming... and has offered to let us pasture our mares and foals all there with hers! woohoo! I'm so happy, she is wonderful, and a great horsewoman, so they will be safe, and well cared for, and live out where they can stretch their legs and eat green grass all summer... how terrific is that?
Sunday #2 might need to stay home tho, so I can make her a shavings or poo pile to lay on...
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Post by jtjedi on Mar 30, 2009 18:06:01 GMT -5
Teeth, teeth, teeth!! I know you said that she had her teeth done, but likely by a "regular" vet. A regular vet is not good enough. You need an equine dentist! It's likely that they missed periodontal disease and/or periodontal pockets. I know from personal experience.. emm-jtjedi.blogspot.com/2008/03/day-16the-dentist.htmlFrom Dr. Vetter's website: www.perfequinedentistry.com/introduction.htm#age/needs"Horses 16 through aged: annually, unless specified otherwise by a dental practitioner. Besides seeing and treating the same conditions as the 5 - 16 group, as we get into the 20s, we are now dealing with teeth that are wearing out. The significance of that is, from a treatment standpoint, we want to keep the teeth that are there, working, or grinding, the best possible. We see many older horses receiving excellent care but who are starting to have trouble maintaining condition. These horses often have dental problems that keep their premolars and molars from grinding properly, affecting their ability to process their feed effectively. There is little difference between a horse that is fed very well and can't utilize the feed, and a horse that is fed very little. The effect is the same, a malnourished horse. The result is either slow starvation, or a horse that is expensive to feed to compensate for the amount of feed that is going through him with little nutritional benefit. The dental problems that can become life threatening to an older horse, started years before when he was fat and sassy and his younger metabolism could compensate for some less than optimum dental/grinding/processing conditions." |
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2009 18:23:57 GMT -5
I will do that!
I'm not a fan of feeding for nuthing... :-)
and we will feed her pelleted feed until she is gaining weight at minimum...
no one who has poor weight lives on hay alone here...
and probiotics will be also in that first meal... :-) onward. (I use forco)
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Post by beckybee on Mar 30, 2009 19:33:46 GMT -5
any thoughts on names too... Monday  50 irrigated acres!?!!? "Woo hoo" is right! |
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Post by swissgrl on Mar 30, 2009 21:38:44 GMT -5
Sunday is tucked away in a soft, comfy stall filled with straw, and has a feeder full of goodies. Mainly Bermuda, some Alfalfa, and a soft mush of pellets, beet pulp, and forco. She seriously dove in, and didn't even take her head out when I gave her a brush. I will let Beth post the pictures, and give you guys an update.
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Post by caryn on Mar 30, 2009 21:41:48 GMT -5
Awww, I'm so happy for Sunday 2! You guys are the best.
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Post by halfwayhome on Mar 30, 2009 21:56:58 GMT -5
NICE JOB YOU GUYS! YOU ROCK! One of those stories that seems to point to Karma, I mean what are the odds, 2 unrelated "saves" of older broodmares, different locations and they are related AND named Sunday?? Love it, glad to hear this one is safe too and even better that you are getting some good pasture for later. Speaking from experience, these old girls usually are very glad to get out on good pasture and usually do well, my 31 year old who I feed a good mush to in the fall/winter totally gets fat and shiny on good pasture, the 25 and 24 year old never lose weight any time!!! ( of course mine are not bred and are kept well fed at all times, so are not the condition these came to you!) I will try and paypal a bit to help out.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2009 23:00:18 GMT -5
Um... I dunno...
pasture isn't gonna be enough for this girl...
I am trying to decide which pic is postable...
let's just start you off with the fact she is a body score of a 1 or 1.5 from the pics.
and I'm trying to imagine how she lost that much weight can be lost that fast...
her pics from last summer she is sleek and fat... shiney and nursing a few month old foal...
and now, well, it's just a shame....
Thank you so much Swissie, more so now that I've seen how much she needed us...
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Post by mtangel on Mar 30, 2009 23:01:15 GMT -5
How about "Sunny" for Sunday #2?  |
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2009 23:08:26 GMT -5
she needs some Sunny Mojo... I like it.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2009 23:19:37 GMT -5
well, here she is...  |
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Post by calypso on Mar 30, 2009 23:24:47 GMT -5
Wow.
Well, I've seen the horses at FRR and she will be nice and plump in no time at all!
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2009 23:26:25 GMT -5
Here she is last summer...  |
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Post by icehorse on Mar 30, 2009 23:46:13 GMT -5
Oh my gosh...that poor mare. thank you so much Beth for taking her and knowing that you needed to help her. thanks Swissy for getting right over there and getting her. I can't believe the poor mare is pregnant again, I just can't believe she looks like that. So it's her back right ankle that is the trouble? One look at that photo kinda knocked the wind outta me.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2009 23:47:46 GMT -5
and that pic is not the one that shows the detail of her back...
I'll be amazed if the foal survives...
she says she walks just fine... but does thingy one back leg, then the other... a LOT...
her bags are very uneven too, one is swollen... ?mastitis.
argh, where to start... I'm still in shock
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Post by jenm on Mar 31, 2009 0:33:25 GMT -5
Ohmygoodness...that poor sweet girl. Will be digging into my spare change pile to see if I can help.
I'm already eating ramen while Jamaica lives in her fancy barn learning to be a fancy show horse, but I'm a sucker for a pregnant mare in need!
God Bless FRR and all you do!
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Post by frr2 on Mar 31, 2009 1:18:15 GMT -5
Sunday #1 definitely has the advantage in terms of arrival condition... this poor Sunday #2. So sad... and I'm really glad Beth stepped up so we can take care of her. Hopefully we can get some beginning lab work done before she makes the trip up. Thank you Swissgirl for getting her and feeding her today and this week!!!! Boy, did she need you. mta: guess we're gonna have to get a second camera |
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Post by calypso on Mar 31, 2009 1:31:02 GMT -5
Beth, Looking at her pic, I understand your concern for the foal. But, remember what Kaleigh looked like:  She's 6 months along in this picture. And, look how Diva turned out! Now, I know K had age on her side - she was only 6 - but you will get Sunny fat and healthy in plenty of time for the baby. Have faith. Blessings to both you (and frr2) and Swissy for getting this girl. |
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Post by swissgrl on Mar 31, 2009 7:04:54 GMT -5
Caly, Kaleigh looks fat compared to this girl. She seriously is skinny as s...t. I'm hoping she and the baby will be fine, she is such a sweet girl.
I checked on her this morning, and she was still munching on some leftover dinner. I think I'll just make sure she always has grass hay to munch on, and then supplement her at night. Any ideas are welcome, I want to make sure I hand over a better looking horse to Beth, than what she looks now.
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Post by mtangel on Mar 31, 2009 8:24:57 GMT -5
Oh, poor baby. Thank you FRR for taking her in, and Swissie for picking her up, etc. Jingling for a fat mare and healthy baby.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 31, 2009 8:54:12 GMT -5
Oh Caly, I'm hoping to get her up to the weight and coat shine that K had by the time she delivers...
I chose not to post ALL the pics, but believe me, Swissie's pics show she is MUCH thinner... seriously, she is a body score of 1. Her spine is completely devoid of any muscle... her shoulders have hanging skin...
say prayers guys...
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Post by countrygirl on Mar 31, 2009 9:57:16 GMT -5
Remember how bad Molly looked at the feedlot? By some miracle she delivered a healthy foal. I seriously thought there was no way she could have a live baby. Miracles do happen!
Thanks for giving Sunday a soft place to land and have her baby.
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Post by beckybee on Mar 31, 2009 11:48:58 GMT -5
I think I'm with Fugly: there is no excuse for a horse being this thin. It may take a tiny bit more time and food to maintain the "hard keepers" but has anyone had a horse that honestly kept dropping weight with proper feeding? (Barring cancer, illness, etc. of course.) Flora's owner kept apologizing to me for how bad she looked - I kept saying "apologize to her, not me, she's the one who is starving."
With their winter coats in the pictures, it's hard to tell how bad they actually are. I finally had time to brush out Flora and I am aghast at how skinny she is under her fuzz. I have never actually been able to feel the spine in a horses neck before. She seemed to enjoy the pampering, but I felt like I was scraping her bones.
I cannot fathom how could this woman breed her! Sunny was nursing and bred on top of being in pain?
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Post by swissgrl on Mar 31, 2009 12:50:14 GMT -5
I agree beckybee, I think a major issue is the food with this girl, she has been non-stop eating, I made sure she had enough grass hay to last her all night, and she got fed again this morning, my BF said she was still eating. So it seems that she is just very happy to have food.
I was very careful brushing her yesterday, I felt like I was just brushing fur over bone, she is a very sweet girl, and is taking everything in stride, even my crazy geldings going all kooky over her. Poor Arrow got a few hoofs to him yesterday, so the Pesters are locked up today, and I roped off her area, so they can't get close to her pen. That way she's got some peace, but can still see them.
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Post by jenm on Mar 31, 2009 12:54:15 GMT -5
swissgirl,
You are a saint!!
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Post by penny/pals on Mar 31, 2009 14:17:41 GMT -5
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Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 31, 2009 14:45:19 GMT -5
I remember that mare, and her f/u pics looked awesome...
yes, praying she does so well!
we have some time, that will help too...
but if she was starved, just re-feeding her can cause her issues... so, gotta be careful...
argh.. I worry so much,
and I'm SOOOOOOOO glad we have Swissie with her, what would we do without that?
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