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Post by gypsyrn on May 24, 2009 23:44:30 GMT -5
Hello everyone, just thought I would share a few pics and give an update.We are in the Livermore area to stay.... we are still in building mode, but hope to be finished the barn and registered as a non profit by the fall. Things take time when there is only a couple of us...Here are a few pictures of the current residents, and some info on each. First, our namesake... the lone oak on the property, at sunset of course :-) farm4.static.flickr.com/3383/3561067437_aaa77fc73e.jpgand now our residents Mahogany -5 y/o-quarter horse cross(from CBER on the lot now a permanent resident)) under saddle and now in finishing training farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3561100351_22f57958b6.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3578/3561093645_74e6658ee6.jpgDuke-16y/o Registered polish arab (was left at a local stable-permanent resident)former endurance horse, still going strong farm4.static.flickr.com/3409/3561884884_7b3c321691.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3561756588_f2f4814704.jpgBree-18y/o triple registered NSH Bright 'n Breezy (bought back from southern Cali, thin and neglected, - a permanent resident) she is our one trick pony...begs for treats, now loves to get out riding, Duke has to trot to keep up with her walk!! farm4.static.flickr.com/3618/3561755720_a816f12bce.jpgBree with Kalib farm3.static.flickr.com/2464/3561754244_786653347c.jpgBree with Zaida farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/3561884858_d347c0d642.jpgZaida -5y/o NSH believed to have some serious trauma- very serious trust/fear issues, but slowly overcoming them. She is under saddle and doing well, she will be available for adoption following another month or so of training farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/3561754934_02450fd8ba.jpgKalib- 6y/o Egyptian Arab- also has trust issues, no training besides minimal halter control. under saddle training now (6weeks) expect 6-8 weeks more. will be available for adoption following farm4.static.flickr.com/3332/3560936365_9263b1cb72.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3033/2549949599_aa544b2246.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3596/3561753932_2d29ee32c5.jpgMonroe- 13y/o OT TB- issues with farrier so gets sedated for work. He injured himself the week of arrival, took 6+months to heal a very deep cut across the pastern joint (he reopened it twice). He is now healed and sound getting a few refresher sessions then will be available for adoption farm4.static.flickr.com/3355/3561753708_6515a4d2e5.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3659/3561754062_9e584bd4be.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3327/3561754658_08d0c87daa.jpgKeeva- 4 y/o paint/standardbred mare. abandoned at a local stable. owner poorly managed an injury/corrective farrier work. unsure if she will be sound beyond a trot-vet and farrier to reassess this week farm4.static.flickr.com/3573/3560939235_45ab9ba7e7.jpgfarm3.static.flickr.com/2007/3561753822_0a28c522c0.jpgNewest arrival...... Roxy- approx 20 y/o leopard appaloosa mare, comes to us unsound from a recent fall during a trail ride- unsure of the exact cause of her lameness. The vet will be out Tuesday to assess her, until then she is resting and enjoying her supper with a side of bute farm4.static.flickr.com/3313/3560937369_fd5d97033d.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3561231023_c7de89f3fe_b.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3567/3561231263_ed1ebd13fc.jpgfarm4.static.flickr.com/3314/3562048770_cc24aafa99.jpganyone interested in more info on any of these guys or assisting in our rescue efforts please email me at lone_oak_rescue@yahoo.com thanks Belinda |
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Post by pnp4kidz on May 25, 2009 13:36:07 GMT -5
I'm kinda an appy person, and love the new girl...
she is technically a varnish roan with a blanket...
not a leopard....
but she is very pretty, and I hope her injury is fixable!
good luck!
looks like you have boarders or something else there now too?
it's quite a place you have going!
can you show and tell more about your facility now?
I'd love to come visit!
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Post by TashGaia on May 25, 2009 13:50:00 GMT -5
She's a Snowcap... and a very pretty one.
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Post by pnp4kidz on May 25, 2009 14:43:08 GMT -5
true, her pattern is that of LPlp or in the continuum she is a snowcap... also known as a blanket... but hers has spots so she has the lp color modifyer... www.reining-appaloosa.com/PuzzleWorthSolving.htmand her base color is a varnish roan... www.appaloosa.com/registration/indentify.htmappy patterning is such a wonderful genetic mystery only recently being uncovered! and the terminology is evolving with it! My 7 mo old foal is from a leopard, who was likely a roan who whited out, so, from what we could tell a 60-70% white LPlp, who was bred to a black 10% white Lplp and darn if the baby isn't a totally solid bay, so she is lplp cute as a bug tho, and bred to an appy, especially the LPLP which is the typical snowcap, especially a maximal white, she'd throw WONDERFUL color! just needed that darned LP gene... and she missed that part. |
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Post by TashGaia on May 25, 2009 17:24:38 GMT -5
Well my understanding is that roan is a color and varnish is an age-related effect, so it is not possible to have a varnish roan base coat. Also, true leopards are born leopards they do not roan out to become leopards. For example... Neon. Neon will be nearly pure white within a couple of years but will still have some dark spots in patterns that might make her appear a leopard. But she was not born a leopard and no matter how much she fades she will never be a leopard... no matter how much she looks like one. According to the ApHC an Appaloosa's true color is what it is born with and not in regards to any assorted fading they go through in their lives.  Whereas with Shasta, she is a blue roan snowcap. She was born such and will stay such as she does not have fading.  And yet, Hobo is the exact opposite and in my opinion he is the closest to Roxy. Hobo is nearly completely faded out...  What kinda concerns me with it is that the LP gene has been linked to uveitis on the Appaloosa Project. So, while the LP gene gives our appys some pretty wild colors, it is linked to some pretty sad side effects too. These folks are really leading the way with research on Appaloosa color patterns and the linked genetics behind it all. www.appaloosaproject.info/ |
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Post by toeps on May 25, 2009 18:22:43 GMT -5
Hey Tash, do are you fond of Appy's?  |
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Post by TashGaia on May 25, 2009 18:41:35 GMT -5
How could I not be? They are the best breed bar none in the entire world!
*flame suit on!*
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Post by barbpurple on May 25, 2009 20:35:11 GMT -5
goodness put out that fire!! u love appys like i love palominos!!! which is very cool i think..
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Post by pnp4kidz on May 25, 2009 20:35:33 GMT -5
Ah, the roan language....
well, there are two types of roan, one that fades more 'uniformely' and one that leaves points, or 'varnish'. There is also Rabicano, which roans only around the flanks and tail head...
Your description is right, as far as fading...
the LP causes the white over the body part of the 'color', it does not fade if the base color is a solid. the white percentage is white. There are NO spots associated with LP. A horse with LPLP will only have white and color base, no spots. that is the color of your last two presumably.
The lp causes spots. It doesn't give a base white tho. that part comes from the LP.
so, a horse with a blanket that has spots in it is LPlp.
so, your first horse there is LPlp, as is the one in her pics.
The base color can be just about any color, with the modifiers typically found...
so you can have a sorrel, with roaning, it can be varnish, rabicano, or plain roan.
an appy can even be gray, and interestingly the spots are base color, and therefore will gray. leaving you with a white appy, who is NOT a fewspot, and NOT a pure snowcap...
oh, color genetics is such a fun thing, confusing as hell, and complicated, but fun.
and we have gotten one foal from a palamino crossed with buckskin, and we got... yep, the 22% chance of .... bay.
and our appy, yes, no spots. she is lplp and bay.
sigh.
but... we luv them anyway.
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Post by TashGaia on May 25, 2009 20:46:25 GMT -5
LOL, I've had even more interesting cases then the three above... Take Fresca. She is a true white... as in pink skin white. But she still has the mottled skin. Then there is Breeze who has a very solid bay base coat and then has spots of BOTH white AND black. Oh, and Neon up there that looks like a strawberry roan? She was born a dark bay. Then Deena was born a rich chestnut... and she roaned out to the point where she was a very even pink champagne color. Kaiser is a bay near leopard who has varnish marks on one side of his body, but not the other. Tango if you saw him today you would SWEAR he was a leopard... but he was born chestnut and that's what his papers say his color is.  |
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Post by pnp4kidz on May 25, 2009 22:06:54 GMT -5
I would guess that your pink skinned white horse is LPLP, as that gene blocks the pigment, in hair AND skin..
so she is a 100% expression, or a pure snowcap.
they have the mottled skin and striped hooves tho that represent the lp that is in the background and causes the 'traits'.
our filly 'should' show trait.... we shall see!
your roaned out one is LPlp, and as they go to white, the spots which are nearly always thru the entire coat, show! that is likely what our stallion was too.
but isn't that the fun of it? guessing and trying to get the perfect color, along with the great conformation, and temperment...?
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Post by TashGaia on May 25, 2009 23:31:31 GMT -5
Yeah... but tell me... why do some Appy's have the gold hooves? Tango and Shasta both have gold hooves, not the creamy-ish color that most horses with light colored hooves have, but an actual rich gold.
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Post by gypsyrn on May 26, 2009 1:44:47 GMT -5
I just called Roxy's coloring as it was reported, but see I have some experts on hand.... always more to learn. Roxy is a sweetheart and looks more comfortable today, we'll see what the vet has to say as far as prognosis/extent of her injury. As far as the rescue goes, there are no boarders, just rescue horses, some that will always stay and I will keep "boarded" any horse the volunteers adopt. I am trying to rearrange to make more room, we still needing to fence pasture and build the barn, wash racks, etc, but have LOTS of materials. We just need to assemble everything into the right place ........We will be soooooo happy when the big projects are done, but we have almost everything we need, vet stocks, hot walker, hay barn, even used T-posts, some wood and field fence, we just need $$$ to buy a few more corral panels and building supplies for the barn. We Picked up a small tractor today and found a manure spreader to buy........what fun shopping!!! lol, but all is needed to run the rescue......found someone to help set up the web site so will have more details posted then, and when the barn etc is done we will have an "open barn" visit/fund raising day. I work at a hospital so I hope that event will bring in lots of nurses with generous hearts....both of my sponsors for the minis are baby nurses.
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Post by pnp4kidz on May 26, 2009 3:08:31 GMT -5
You are doing well there!
I wish we had donations to cover all that materials!
just a tractor runs in the thousands...
so, congrats on such a good job raising funds.
we should share stories on how you get that accomplished!
I work in a hospital but they are so picky about how you can solicit, and without the 501 you can't do any solicitation publically.. .
but we are nearly there... fixing our errors as we speak, I hope this week, and then.. fingers crossed, THIS time we get a letter saying 'yeah'.
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Post by gypsyrn on May 26, 2009 11:06:03 GMT -5
I have not been soliciting for monetary donations yet, but have plans for it soon. Though the last rescue, the owner made a generous donation of several hundred so we could help Roxy.
All the materials have either been purchased by myself at a low cost (I have found some amazing deals!!!) or have been donated. I came across a man who does salvage - cleans or demos repossessed properties, evictions etc and the finds there have been incredible. He can't do much with some of the salvage so gives it to us for a fuel delivery charge. for example he tore down a store that had a huge walk in freezer made of 10ft x 4ft - 4"thick insulated walls (that are covered in a thin metal, therefore watertight)- there are over 50 so they are our barn walls. the horses should be warm this winter with an insulated barn! He also gave us a 40' shipping container where I have my hay stored -until we move the hay frame into place and cover it. There is another shipping container that has an internal cage that we will use for tack, that is yet to be delivered. I found another place was being demoed and there used to be horses there, so we got 5 rolls of rubber mats, metal roofing, plastic water barrels, feed barrels, a couple of small fence panels,and 2 roll away/folding type metal gates for the barn entrances. They even gave us a 10'x10' dog kennel-all free. A friend of my boyfriends neighbor gave us automatic waters for 5 stalls and feeders and field fencing, and will possibly have more as they dismantle their old stables. He also is donating a small building that we will use for an office area with a comfy couch for those up all night colic or birthing type of events. Another friend of his has a building for sale, checking on the size and cost.... might be an indoor arena in our future.....am keeping my fingers crossed. It does help that the horses are my passion and aside from living expenses I only spend money on the rescue, plus my boyfriend and rescue partner is the ultimate handyman, and a mechanic so we can get things that need fixing. It is his 135 acres that we are on so rent is not the expence it is for most people. We started with only a single large corral, so are slowly getting there......
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Post by pnp4kidz on May 26, 2009 11:48:47 GMT -5
You are getting there in style!
I'm so jelous...
if you run across any great deals and don't 'need' the stuff...
keep us in mind!
we don't have that connection, and are always scraping to get stuff for the ranch...
we have a ranch hand to do fixing... but supplies are out of pocket... for us too.
we are just over the hill so not too far!
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Post by piopico on May 26, 2009 13:19:45 GMT -5
Wow Belinda, you've really made some good connections, to find all those deals....fancy having an insulated Barn!! The horses won't ever want to leave.......
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Post by gypsyrn on May 26, 2009 18:45:19 GMT -5
pnp4kidz- what sort of things are you looking for? I will keep an eye out.
We had our vet visit today. Roxy has an issue with muscle atrophy on her left hind quarters. we are going to have an ultrasound done and keep her on bute and start to do some slow exercise to build up that side. good news.looks like she is more like 17or18 vs 20+ on the age.
We are also going to get another ultrasound on our paint mare and start corrective shoeing since the leg is stable. I am hoping she does not need surgery on it.
Zaida had her first official ride today, not even a hop or a step out of line!!! I am more than happy with the trainer... both he and his brother rode her and she did so well ...... walk/trot/canter all when asked and in only a halter. They both know of someone who would love to have her.... so things are looking good. I will try and get some video's to show.... I am very proud of how far she has come. I hope the first ride with Kalib goes as well..... I am thinking not.
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Post by pnp4kidz on May 26, 2009 19:45:06 GMT -5
Oh boy, we could use panels, a round pen would be awesome...
always use good lumber for fence fixing...
I'd love stocks, and a wash rack...
we can use rubber mats...
darn girl, don't get me started..!!! I can use anything 'horse'.
:-)
we have a barn FULL... to overflowing and live on just our salaries
heck, hay would be nice... hehe... ok, I can dream...
and pipe dream would be a tractor... oh what I'd do for a tractor...
or a post hole digger....
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Post by gypsyrn on May 26, 2009 22:13:32 GMT -5
where are you located at? if we are close enough, maybe we can pool some resources.... if we need to rent something like an auger to dig holes..... man that ground is soooooo hard, and its not even june. I am back at work this week and sporting a new sunburn, pm me details on your place and maybe we can help each other out....
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Post by mickeyfan3 on May 27, 2009 15:26:45 GMT -5
Hey Belinda - sounds like you're doing great!!!!!
Sorry I haven't been up...Chris' tournament team is keeping me busy and away a lot. I'm barely having enough time for Reno lately, plus his "girlfriend" - finally have official permission from her out of state owner to start working her, plus two 2 year old fillies who's owner broke her leg in 5 places...and jsut got transferred to Texas. They're staying until the end of June...
After all this - and I love every minute of it - I think I'm good with one horse, maybe two, until Chris is married w/ kids! lol
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Post by pnp4kidz on May 27, 2009 17:02:23 GMT -5
I'm over in Clayton Belinda, off Morgan Territory Road.
I'm happy to share!
let me know what your projects are!
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Post by gypsyrn on May 27, 2009 22:59:44 GMT -5
well..where to start... I need help from my partner to some of the things, fancy level devices for the barn ground prep, but am starting 2 new projects myself. I am putting in a 2 horse wash station and extending my shelters. I did that building myself so know that I can handle it, just need to get things squared off ok. soooo I will be doing the post holes for the corners on both projects. I expect I will do those next week.I am lucky with my schedule. 6 on (12 hr night shifts) then 8 off. Do you have access to a tractor with a pto? my tractor is the little garden kind to haul around with, but no pto. If you have a tractor with a pto we have an auger to use with it.We might have found a nother tractor with a loader but the pto has been replaced with a backhoe. We need one of those for putting in the water and drainage ditches, so hope we get a deal on it. I also have a 16'flatbed that i will be getting soon. will be usable as soon as we run the lights and double check the brakes. If you want to share "hay days" we could maybe get better deals on prices and share the labor. We have a fork lift but nothing that moves hay without our hands on first.
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Post by shelberttk2 on May 27, 2009 23:56:46 GMT -5
Great Job, it looks like you are doing a fabulous job! Please reconsider feeding on the ground, the sand anyway.......I see colic caused by this about once a week.....Beautiful horses, keep up the good work!
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Post by gypsyrn on May 28, 2009 7:57:19 GMT -5
I don't feed on the ground usually but the horses were chewing on the wooden feeders so I had to take them out. Now I have 30 gallon feed tubs but they still throw it out of the tubs half the time. In the shelter stalls there are wall feeders but a couple of the horses are afraid of them, so started with the big tubs. I have a couple of huge framed feeders that are better (1000 gallon plastic containers cut in half....another donation) , but have to get more. There is not sand but more plain old dirt here. I check the poo periodically for sand content but its been good. I brought the one NSH from southern California and gave her sand clear for a while to clear her....she had little to eat there was just a belly and bones when i got her....
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