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Post by gsdmom on Oct 1, 2007 17:28:33 GMT -5
Forever died early Sunday morning. We made it to the vet and he tried so hard to save her. It wasn't to be. Even after she was dead he kept on looking for the cause of her colic. She died because she cribbed. She drew a small piece of intestine through a hole and it strangled and died. She had so much going for her. A new home where she was adored and so many plans for the spring and summer. We are devastated. The vet was totally awesome. He donated his time as did the tech. I wish we had known more about cribbers. I had no idea this could happen to a horse that cribs. He says he has only seen a handful of this kind of colic, but every time it was a horse that cribbed. We have over $3000.00 in vet bills and a huge hole in our hearts. She was given every chance. I hope she is running free somewhere. Sarah's husband said the Grandpa needed a horse and that someday they would see her again and she would be all trained.
My home computer is down, but I'll be checking on the horses from the library. I hope anyone that can offers a home. Maybe in the spring we will look again. All we can offer now is a home until the bills are paid. Hug your horses and be thankful that they are alive.
Kathy
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Post by pnp4kidz on Oct 1, 2007 17:40:13 GMT -5
I'm so sorry Kathy,
you did all you could... I've never heard of such a colic.
It is so hard for us to see them happy and full of live one minute, then gone the next.
Take care of yourself...
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Post by paintedlady on Oct 1, 2007 17:48:03 GMT -5
Very Very sorry for your loss  RIP |
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Post by apache on Oct 1, 2007 17:53:19 GMT -5
It is extremely rare and DOES NOT ONLY HAPPEN IN CRIBBERS. I have had 6 cribbers in my life and only one has died, and that was Rascal, at 32. I am so very, very sorry for your loss I hate to ask this now....but is there a horse on either feedlot you would offer a home to??? |
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Post by swissgrl on Oct 1, 2007 17:56:10 GMT -5
I'm so sorry for your loss, I'm sure she apreciated the love and caring you gave her!
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Post by cybercat on Oct 1, 2007 18:26:03 GMT -5
I am stunned...and oh, so sorry...
she was beautiful. My sincere condolences to your family...
Can we offer donations to defray the costs of vet care?
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Post by crum on Oct 1, 2007 18:35:21 GMT -5
I'm so sorry to hear about Forever especially since I had been so excited for both of you when I had seen her make it off the lot.
Unfortunately I imagine you are talking about an epiploic foramen entrapment. I had a 28 (2 more months to 29) year old mare that coliced due to this last year. She was not a cribber. Studies have been done that show it is much more common in horses that do crib though. It unfortunately is one of the types of colic that are pretty much impossible to prevent and requires surgery to correct.
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Post by rodeo51 on Oct 1, 2007 19:00:54 GMT -5
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. She was a beautiful girl.
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Post by gsdmom on Oct 1, 2007 19:43:40 GMT -5
That is exactly what it was. Epiploic foramen entrapment. He said it only happens in a VERY small percentage of cribbers. Just that he had never seen it unless the horse was a cribber. Wish we had known and we would have had surgery to prevent it?  Not even sure if they do that. The vet said even if we had colic insurance on her, he wouldn't have been able to save her. Even to try would have been over $10,000.00. I have watched bloat surgery on dogs and haven't seen that much necrotic tissue. It was never ending.  I think we would like to try again in a little while, but are so down right now. What a waste of an elegent beautiful horse. Kathy |
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Post by afinenettle on Oct 1, 2007 20:16:04 GMT -5
Oh god, I am so very sorry to read this. ITs every horselovers nightmare come true. Many blessings on you and your family for taking such good care and for caring so much. I guess she was gong to move on, one way or the other. So much better to have gone this way though. I hope that CBER will make an exeption and let both boards raise the QT and Bail on a horse that you might see and fall for.
Many condolences.
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Post by Tockita on Oct 1, 2007 20:30:56 GMT -5
Angi lost a mare yesterday to colic too. She went so quickly from mild symptoms to full blown that before the vet even arrived she was throwing herself to the ground. Angi was working to keep her up and walking, gave banamine.. but MayZing continued to struggle. There was no way she could get on a trailer in that condition. As she threw herself down at one point she flung her head into a nearby tree. Angi's hand was there to cushion her head, but she now has at least one broken finger. When Doc arrived from across th valley it was clear it was too late to do much of anything. He felt she may have had a ruptured for it to be so severe so quickly.
Angi was thinking sand, or the new alfalfa.. But it could have been something as simple as being run into the fence by a gelding the night before. She cracked her hoof pretty badly when it happened, so Angi had already separated her.
Colic is a terrible thing. So many times you can work through it... But you never know when the symptoms hit if its going to be easy or hard.
I am so sorry for your loss, but know she did not cross the bridge alone. She had a very strong, brave, young mustang mare to guide her.
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2007 20:37:00 GMT -5
I am sorry for both of your losses! You are in our thoughts and prayers! |
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Post by gsdmom on Oct 1, 2007 21:15:29 GMT -5
It helped so much when Colby said that his grandpa needed a horse. They had a terrible time getting her in the trailer. She went down in the trailer and rolled underneath the divider and into the back. Such a nightmare. I'm so sorry for Angi's loss. For now, if people would like to donate to a feedlot horse in her memory, that would make us both feel better. Thank you all for your kind thoughts. We are both so broke now that I can't even help one of the horses.
I need a few paychecks to recover from this one. At least I know what happened and yes she was VERY MUCH loved!
Kathy
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Post by MustangAppy on Oct 1, 2007 21:39:29 GMT -5
Oh Kathy, we are just horrified that this happened. She was so young and lovely and elegant, and you all were so pleased to finally have her. We are so very sorry for this tremendous loss. Please know that we care and are thinking of you all.
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Post by jenm on Oct 1, 2007 21:49:22 GMT -5
Kathy, I am so sorry for your loss. This must be so very hard for you. We are all here to support you and help you get through this. I'm sure Colby's grandpa will take good care of her.
You can bet many special prayers are going out to you and your family.
Take care,
~Jen
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Post by crum on Oct 1, 2007 22:10:34 GMT -5
That is exactly what it was. Epiploic foramen entrapment. He said it only happens in a VERY small percentage of cribbers. Just that he had never seen it unless the horse was a cribber. Wish we had known and we would have had surgery to prevent it? Not even sure if they do that. The vet said even if we had colic insurance on her, he wouldn't have been able to save her. Even to try would have been over $10,000.00. I have watched bloat surgery on dogs and haven't seen that much necrotic tissue. It was never ending. I think we would like to try again in a little while, but are so down right now. What a waste of an elegent beautiful horse. Kathy This was indeed a terrible waste. Unfortunately I know of no surgeries to prevent it from happening. The only surgery I know of is the one to remove the tissue after the horse has coliced. All horses have the epiploic foramen (the space between the liver and pancreas) through which intestines can slide and become entrapped. I have had several vets tell me that it is unclear why in a minority of horses the intestine travels through the gap and in the majority it does not. |
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Post by cybercat on Oct 1, 2007 22:32:45 GMT -5
Crum posted:
I have had several vets tell me that it is unclear why in a minority of horses the intestine travels through the gap and in the majority it does not.
Do you think it just has something to do with the amount of food working its way through the intestine?
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Post by kidznhorses on Oct 2, 2007 0:00:51 GMT -5
So sorry gsdmom. Absolutely heartbreaking...
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Post by drjinva on Oct 2, 2007 10:29:29 GMT -5
Kathy,
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Debbie
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Post by penny/pals on Oct 2, 2007 10:35:31 GMT -5
So sorry for your loss I'm glad that she found a home to be loved before she passed.
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Post by cwinterburn ( RIP) We love YOU on Oct 2, 2007 11:20:10 GMT -5
It's horrible to lose a horse to colic, and a rare form of it at that, the experience stays with you; your family has our sympathy for that loss - I think it's the helplessness when you realize that the horse is going to die no matter what you do. And if it's any consolation, I have never seen a horse go through the colic surgery and come out of it the same horse... I decided a long time ago that I would never put a horse through that kind of pain for me, they might live but the cost in their suffering was more than I could ask.
I've lost several horses to colic ( main cause of death to horses excluding slaughter and accidents) and I've had probably 10 cirbbers, I have one now - I've never lost a cribber to colic..I would not want someone to turn down a horse, because it cribs thinking that it's doomed to colic. Cribbing is an addictive process and there are as many cirbbers as there are reasons to crib. The cribber I have now ( a rescue, CBER Glacier) has almost completely quit cribbing after her bad teeth were fixed, and I soak her grain. All cribbing is not created equal- there are cribbers, chewers, wind suckers... or a combination of any/all three... but after this last one the first thing I'm checking from now on is their teeth.
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Post by beejoyfulmk on Oct 2, 2007 13:35:02 GMT -5
oh sweet heart !!!! im so sorry this happened......hugs
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Oct 2, 2007 14:03:28 GMT -5
Kathy, I am so sorry for your and your entire family.....and you can bet that she is up there with Grandpa right now.....and she'll be waiting when you guys make it up there someday.
Take care - and thank you for the suggestion of donating in her memory to a feedlot horse. Forever went knowing that she'd at last found a family - thank you for that too.
Stacie
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Post by carly1964 on Oct 2, 2007 14:19:23 GMT -5
Sincere condolences. That is so shocking and sad.
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Post by gsdmom on Oct 2, 2007 17:40:01 GMT -5
Thank you all for your kind words. Today was a little easier. As you all know it takes time to remember the good and forget the bad events of Saturday night-Sunday morning. Forever had something that I am finding almost impossible to put into words. I think one of the things that hurts the most is we didn't take any pictures last week. Sam sent some, but she had a fly mask on. Does anyone know if it is possible to get racing pictures? We do know her name and her number and her pedigree. Sarh went to IFA last night and bought a beautiful frame and put one of her camera phone pictures in it. It is blurry and dark. If anyone has an idea on how to track down some pictures, please let me know. My computer should be up sometime tonight. You are all so awesome. Thanks again.
Kathy
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Post by calypso on Oct 2, 2007 18:29:56 GMT -5
If you have her race record, and she finished in the money at any time, the track should be able to provide a picture. If you PM me her "real" name, I'll check Cal Racing and see if she's online. Kaleigh's 3rd race is there, even though it was run in WA. Worth a try..... I am so sorry you lost her. I know what you mean about the pictures. I've taken hundreds of pictures of my kids cause you never know what can happen. |
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Post by watermarkfarm on Oct 2, 2007 20:50:41 GMT -5
I am so sorry....
I have lost a few to colic and saved a few with surgery. Either way, it is never easy.
I send you a big hug. Thanks for having such a good heart.
Katie
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Post by piopico on Oct 2, 2007 22:59:45 GMT -5
That must have agonising to watch- I feel for you. But she is now running free...whether it's with or without Grandpa aboard I couldn't say, but she's free!
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Post by chrisw on Oct 3, 2007 19:18:22 GMT -5
I am so sorry for your loss...
Chris
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Post by gsdmom on Oct 3, 2007 20:13:31 GMT -5
Oh my gosh! I just found out that there is a video of her winning a race on the 4th of July. I sure hope my computer is up and running tonight. Can't wait to tell Sarah. Thanks so much!
Kathy
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RIP
Not even sure if they do that. The vet said even if we had colic insurance on her, he wouldn't have been able to save her. Even to try would have been over $10,000.00. I have watched bloat surgery on dogs and haven't seen that much necrotic tissue. It was never ending. 
I think we would like to try again in a little while, but are so down right now. What a waste of an elegent beautiful horse.
