Sundance- (CBER Hobbs)

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SUNDANCE ( Hobbs )1 y/o -12.3h -Haflinger Gelding
Post by nickie on Mar 8, 2006, 9:49am

HOBBS - Darling yearling, approx. 12.3hh, Haflinger Gelding. Flaxen mane and tail. He is curious and friendly, but not handled much, had halter on the day he came to the lot, but not since. He will come up to us but is shy and we can't just slip a halter on him.. He has a club foot which is pictured in the additional pictures. He is still young enough to have the surgery to correct this and with proper after-care would probably look normal. The way to tell prognosis would be to have an x-ray done to show postion of coffin bone and possible degree of correction with desmotomy done, anyone with questions on this can talk to Heidi. He may respond partially to proper foot care also. He is a cute guy who will not get much bigger, older horses boss him at the lot .

$375


More pictures at: www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/hobbs.htm
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by zora on Mar 8, 2006, 9:53am

There has to be a Haflinger person out there who would love to have this little one. Are there any Haflinger groups?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by Hystyle on Mar 8, 2006, 9:55am

How cute is this guy...looks like a big teddy bear!
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Post by tinkerslady on Mar 8, 2006, 9:57am

Make that Little teddy bear...
I am in LOVE!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by breezy on Mar 8, 2006, 9:59am

OHHH... Drool.....

And a steal at that price!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by cvl on Mar 8, 2006, 10:05am

A-D-O-R-A-B-L-E

I just started a thread for him on COTH:

chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5566064631/m/485206229

Hopefully our friends over there will help out and spread the word too!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 8, 2006, 10:28am

I e-mailed the President of the Western Haflinger Association about Hobbs- she's in Oregon. Hopefully she'll know someone who can at least get him off the Lot.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by crum on Mar 8, 2006, 10:30am

He is adorable. Look at that face. All of the Haflingers I've known were wonderfully intelligent individuals.

Anyone have a contact at any of the university teaching hospitals that might be able to get his club foot fully assessed for a reduced rate ? From the photo it almost looks like it would be classified as grade II which don't respond as well to surgery and corrective trimming. He's such a sharp looking guy its hard to imagine someone didn't deal with it earlier when it would have been easier to improve it.

I'll post him on www.draftsforsale.com .
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by hoofnoter on Mar 8, 2006, 10:39am

I just sent info about CBER & Hobbs to a friend who is into Haflingers and she forwarded it to both the regional (Western Haflinger) and the world group (Haflinger Friends) so hopefully lots of volunteers will be calling soon!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by kerry on Mar 8, 2006, 10:42am

had a look for a haflinger rescue site and could not find one. sent an email to the haflinger society in the uk, to raise awairness.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by foxie on Mar 8, 2006, 10:51am

I use to ride & drive a few Haflingers. They are great horses. Perfect size for kids & small adults.

Even if this young guy isn't ride/drivable he will make the perfect pasture pal. They are so friendly and just love people.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by crum on Mar 8, 2006, 10:53am

The www.draftsforsale.com posting apparently also crossposted him to www.bestpony.com as well.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by cybercat on Mar 8, 2006, 11:03am

Can anyone tell us in general terms what could be done for his clubfoot? I don't know much about this condition. Does it look like this guy's leg is actually shorter than the others? Could it be a tendon problem? (Probably a combo of both...)

Gosh darn it, to have horsey love twice in one week just isn't fair!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by jellybelly on Mar 8, 2006, 11:13am

That is a pretty bad club. I have a mare with one that was similar at one time. She had a surgery and some rehab and is now very comfortable. Hers is not perfect even now. They are sometimes fixable but it will take some time, a good surgeon, and some luck.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by crum on Mar 8, 2006, 11:26am

Typical treatments for club foot are corrective trimming to lower the heels and reconstruction of the toes with acrylic material and as mentioned before desmotomy, which is where the check ligament is cut. Club foot is the end result of contracted tendons, but in some cases there was another root cause for the problem that caused the contracted tendons. Once they start walking on their toe the tendons continue to contract over time. So it can be a cyclic thing. Its hard to say what the root cause of the problem is in his case without a full workup.

Some horses continue to function just fine with grade II club foot. Long term if it isn't adjusted you have to worry about degeneration of the pedal bone.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by Tina on Mar 8, 2006, 11:26am

my farrier was just here to check up on Star, and i had him come in and check this picture out on this horse. He said that can be corrected, he also said that all horses seem to have 1 "clubbier" foot than the other. he said to not let this discourage you, it can be fixed....(he is not a vet, just a certified farrier)

So please save this little guy! there is hope for him!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by crum on Mar 8, 2006, 11:27am

I believe there is at least one person on here who mentioned being a farrier. They might be able to give more details of the corrective trimming and such.

modified to fix a typo
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by crum on Mar 8, 2006, 11:33am

I forgot to mention in some more severe cases corrective shoes are also used to treat club foot.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by Tina on Mar 8, 2006, 11:35am

crum, i think it is "equinelongears" that mentioned they were a farrier
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by LindaL on Mar 8, 2006, 12:26pm

If he can move on it now, slow, steady work might help a lot before surgery.

I had a mustang pony, Magic, 13.1, who at 28 was going strong. My farrier just trimmed him and since I got him at age 22, we didn't try to "fix" anything. Magic could walk, trot and canter evenly. Unless you looked at his feet, people didn't know he had a club foot. It was just like Hobbs'. Magic was never lame and was ridden in the arena 3 days a week for lessons for small riders. He was trail ridden for about 1 hour once a week. We even took him to a few small shows.

I would say that Hobbs is worth the risk, especially if he can move comfortably on the foot now.


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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 8, 2006, 12:27pm

Okay guys, there is an individual that may be interested in hobbs (per a baen post), but would need help with shipping. She indicated she could pay the bail and has sent in an app. How do you feel about raising shipping fees? V.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by LindaL on Mar 8, 2006, 12:31pm

Calgal98,
if you can, check to see if the interested party has an application in. If not, please ask them to submit one as soon as possible. Also, do you know where the person is located?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 8, 2006, 12:39pm

lindal...she/he has sent in an application...I don't know if she has been on here yet or not, but I'm assuming so. I believe they are located in the bay area. Will pursue it more. I left a note on the chat board. There is quite a thread going on about nibbles and the new group. I'm following it closely to see what come of it.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 8, 2006, 2:05pm

OK, whew, I finally got registered here so I can post!
I am the one who put in an application for this little guy, he is SO cute! Look at that face!! I can post his bail, can someone help me get him to the SF Bay area?
I have two other yearlings, I'll geld him (if he isn't) and he will get to grow up with friends, and I've always wanted a haflinger!!!
I have a farrier who does natural trims, and if that doesn't do it, a great vet, and there is UC Davis... My mare 25 years ago had a club, and did fine, just frequent trims.... and shoes for heavy riding to keep her from wearing off the toe. She was totally sound for riding all day on hard trails to running gymkhana...
so, this is all new to me, anything else I need to do?
I emailed Ryan, no word yet, did an app.... what else???
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by caryn on Mar 8, 2006, 2:11pm

Welcome pnp4kidz! Have you sent pics of your facilities yet?

If not, email pictures of your facilities along with your name to [e-mail]

Sounds like you're on the ball, glad you got your app. in, Hobbs is too adorable!!

Caryn

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 8, 2006, 2:35pm

Let me know pnp4kidz if I can be of any help. I'm in Oakdale/Modesto area and on here constantly. *Hello, my name is Vicki and I'm a Cberholic*
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by tierofarm on Mar 8, 2006, 2:36pm

Yes Patty, I am going to the Napa/Santa Rosa area, probably by the end of next week.
He is soooooo adorable! I had an excellent broodmare that was clubfoot (injured as a foal) and we kept it corrected with trimming and shoes (on her front feet) for the 23 years we had her! No extra expense required and she was a beautiful mover!
Lori
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 8, 2006, 2:37pm

Welcome pnp4kidz. We have an expending group here in the Bay Area. It might help if you go back into your profile, and just say WHERE in the Bay Area........south bay, SF.......you can be as general or specific as you want- then people won't keep asking you, 'where are you located"? We have 2 new adopters in the Penin/South bay area, and one IN San Francisco. Also, check out and join, the California Friends of CBER....it's up in the General notes . somewhere. I'm sure you will get a lot of help with transportation- I did.....so I'll be the first to pledge something. Don't be shy about reminding me when the time comes.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 8, 2006, 3:10pm

I live about 2 hours from Santa Rosa, and can come up there to meet you, I'll actually be up there in Petaluma on Saturday, not coming then are you?
How much would shipping be???
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 8, 2006, 3:12pm

I'm in the East Bay, near Walnut Creek and Concord, between there and Brentwood, at the Base of Mt Diablo.... might as well meet a shipper somewhere since I live on a hill that scares everyone!!! hehe, I'm used to it.
I sent pics, but hope they don't need special ones... I have mostly horses pictures here at work, the barn is there too... fencing, is that what they are looking at???
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by caryn on Mar 8, 2006, 3:15pm

Hey, we're neighbors! I live in Pleasanton, work in San Ramon, and my board the horses in Livermore.

The pics sound good. If more is needed, then you'll be contacted. You're quick!

Thanks,
Caryn
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 8, 2006, 3:33pm

So now after reading some, I guess I have to have him kept up there for a while to get a coggins etc... heck, this is like getting my PMUs last year!!! waiting game!
(sitting on hands, holding my horses)
I'll let you all know if I find out more about whether I'm approved or not, then I'll be hoping for some help paying to get him down here!
thanks for the pledge Piopico! (hehe, guess I'll figure out how that works too?)
thanks everyone! I'm all excited now!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by Sharon on Mar 8, 2006, 3:50pm

Hope it works out that you can get him, he is a doll
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by LindaL on Mar 8, 2006, 5:04pm

pnp4kidz,
I hope all goes well getting him.
Although the timing is tight you might be able to get things done in time to ship this weekend. My pony had vet work done very quickly. The network working the feedlot is awesome and will help all they can.

I adopted Pumpkin and she had a foal, Pi, 6 days after she got here. It was quite a Christmas present.

I am in the Fairfield/Napa area. Let me know if I can help.

Lorie Wright has dropped a horse off at my place before and is a great hauler.

Linda L
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by bootoyou on Mar 8, 2006, 7:21pm

pnp4kidz,
This is not such a waiting game as the PMU's. I have 3 PMU's and I know how that goes. I just got a CBER horse, he was called Flash on the lot but I have changed his name to Ranger. I broke down and put in my application on a Tuesday and he arrived here 9 days later! I live a lot further away than you do. I am in the Imperial Valley in the SE corner of California. It cost me about $600 for transportation. But you are a lot closer so you would be a lot cheaper probably in the $300 to $400 range. I am sure that you will here from Ryan very soon. She is great. And my references were called the day after I sent my application in. As to the Coggins, Ryan will give you the number of the vet's clinic and you call and arrange that. I also had the vet give all the shots and a soundness check. So my bill was $150. But for the Coggins and the Brand inspection, it was $43 total. Good luck, I am sure glad that you are getting this cute boy. I even like his name. Of course, I love the comic strip Calvin and Hobbs. Now you need to adopt a friend for him that you could call Calvin. LOL ;o) Mary Jane
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by nici on Mar 8, 2006, 9:00pm

I am so glad that there is a hopeful adopter for this guy, I am on the verge of divorce over this one, I have a really big soft spot for haffi's as my mom's horse is a haffi and I just LOVE her , she should be cloned!
Jingles for Hobbs....hope he gets a new home quick! what a lover....oh, I can't stand it!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 8, 2006, 9:42pm

pnp4kids......most of us use Paypal to transfer funds........and we use the 'personal message' feature up in the top right hand corner of this screen for one-on-one discussion.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by Tina on Mar 8, 2006, 10:50pm

i just saw this ad in the nickel saver tonight...

TEAM of fancy 4 year old Haflinger mares. Broke to drive by the Amish. $2,500 each. Bob Hodnefield, Milton Freewater, OR

so i just wanted to say, that his price is a steal with a clubby foot or not!

edited to add: i didnt post this add to show that you would be getting a good deal. i posted it to show that he has potential, and not to let the clubby foot get in the way. i hope that makes sense....
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by equinemom on Mar 8, 2006, 11:03pm

I know ya mean well, but I have to say this, we are not trafficking in flesh here! By that I mean I do not want someone to get this guy because its a "good deal", I want someone to get this guy because hes a live creature that needs a great home and in turn will offer his new home something... love. I want him to go to someone who sees beyond money and wants a special friend. Idealistic? maybe, but thats what I hope for all these guys.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by tockita on Mar 8, 2006, 11:30pm

Welcome PNP! (this place can be a bit adicting..) oops did I say that aloud??

Really though you can't help but look and worry and save once your here

Also wasn't Hytyme heading Cali way soon with the mules? Though I used Lori for Codelia and she did an excellent job with my difficult charge.

The vet clinic was wonderful, (very patient with my outloud thinking) promptly sent me a reciept and charge slip and was reasonably priced. I got Coggins, brand, health and all vacs but westnile for $112. AND they had to chute her to do that!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 9, 2006, 10:42am

Ohh, addiction is really bad for me!! Last year we were sucked into getting 4 PMU mares and 2 weanlings!!! ack!!! we (my sister and I own the ranch together) are complete addicts... sigh.
oh, yes, all 4 of our mares were preggers, LUCKY US!! anyway... we are nuts, but we love 'em. just had a few sold and leased out, so we are feeling flush again... and we were getting bored with all 'stable' horses and none to work on!!! I figured we'd get another founder, but a club foot will 'do'... my kids will love him to death... and our 2 coming yearlings will think it is just dandy to have a new playmate! We are planning on fencing the back 2+ acres (it is only done on 3 sides now) to finish another pasture... guess it'll be the yearling pasture this year!!! it's a beautiful hill side with old oak trees (200-400 year old oaks) running thru it and lots of 'virgin' grass growing down there. a great place to grow and become a 'real horse'... I have a couple of gelding 'uncles' who love teaching manners... (one rescue is totally afraid of all other horses, so babies are good!) and my farrier is already jazzed at the prospect of a new project for us!!! (she brings us most of our founder rescues!). If he can't be ridden, we just bought an easy entry cart, and started learning to drive, and I even bought a harness for our 13.2 hh pony so we can teach the boy to drive!!! yipee! I get a haffie AND to drive... was this meant to be???

OK, I'm holding on my app, and hoping for help in transport stuff... I have his bail ready to send when I'm told what to do.... where do they go to get the Coggins done, etc??? he can't ship to me until that comes back, right?

thanks,
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 9, 2006, 12:02pm

Awsome, now, does someone have a place I keep him at 'if' I get him, for that few days for Coggins, etc... ?
I emailed someone about shipping...
is there anything I'm missing???
and heck, why is this such a dead thread, I think he's CUTE!!!
everyone is posting and putting money up for the bay mares...
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by crum on Mar 9, 2006, 12:51pm


Mar 9, 2006, 12:02pm, pnp4kidz wrote:Awsome, now, does someone have a place I keep him at 'if' I get him, for that few days for Coggins, etc... ?
I emailed someone about shipping...
is there anything I'm missing???
and heck, why is this such a dead thread, I think he's CUTE!!!
everyone is posting and putting money up for the bay mares...



He's definitely Very CUTE. I'm guessing everyone is thinking that will win him a home more easily than some of the others

I know I was trying to convince my DP that I needed a pony(Hobbs) for my birthday. He seemed to think maybe I was a little old for a pony though
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 9, 2006, 2:05pm

could you keep him for a few days until his coggins and stuff is ready to ship him over the border?

On a separate note, anyone willing to help me with the transportation costs? I have a bid for about $230 to bring him to me... I can pay bail... can anyone else help with that $230 to ship him?

Thanks, Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 9, 2006, 2:21pm

Hey pnp...have you gotten approval?? Thats a great price for shipping, wow! Talk to ryan or heidi to see if they know of anyone who will board for a few days.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 9, 2006, 2:27pm

pnp--my mares were vet checked on the lot before they left for boarding. It only takes a couple of days to turn around on the coggins. Maple Valley Vet is great to work with. They take credit cards too so my frequent flyer miles are adding up!! LOL.

Once you get your approval, you'll probably see more action on shipping help.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 9, 2006, 2:28pm

No, no approval yet, how long does that take? do they call me or email me? I am clicking back and forth, waiting to hear. Yesterday my work email delayed emails for HOURS... so I'm worried they sent one but I haven't gotten it due to that...

sitting on hands,
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 9, 2006, 2:31pm

Relax, Ryan handles all inquiries on this one and she knows who contacted with interest first.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 9, 2006, 2:32pm

Oh, and the clicking back and forth is part of a very addictive drug called CBER. *Hello, my name is Vicki and I'm a cberholic*....thats been my mantra for a while now!! LOL
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by crum on Mar 9, 2006, 3:44pm


Mar 9, 2006, 2:05pm, pnp4kidz wrote:could you keep him for a few days until his coggins and stuff is ready to ship him over the border?

On a separate note, anyone willing to help me with the transportation costs? I have a bid for about $230 to bring him to me... I can pay bail... can anyone else help with that $230 to ship him?

Thanks, Beth

I'm probably a little far away to be of help. I think I'm about 4-5 hours away from the feedlot. As a couple of other people have mentioned the maple way vet seems to be very quick about getting the coggins and everything taken care of on the lot.

Does anyone know if for helping with things like transportation costs there needs to be a banker and approval like for the group adoptions ?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 9, 2006, 4:41pm

so they keep him on the lot while the coggins is pending??? is there a place to put him 'up'? or does he stay in the big group? can he get fed?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by tinkerslady on Mar 9, 2006, 5:12pm

LOL, he should get enough to eat, its a feedlot and they are free fed. But in answer, usually for $8 (I think) a day he can be put up nearby for a few days unless there is no room at the inn. We need to get the kids off the lot asap. All this aside, I hope you will be able to have that foot looked at quickly. The younger they are if they can have the surgery, the better the prognosis. I am so glad you are getting him or I was in really big trouble with my sweet hubby! I was even thinking of renaming his horse from Sylvester to Calvin!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by bootoyou on Mar 9, 2006, 6:46pm

My approval was very fast, within a couple of days. But I think that they were able to get ahold of my reference's quickly. If he is a stallion, I don't think that you should have him gelded in Washington unless you have a safe place for him to stay for a couple of weeks or so. I am pretty sure that hauling should not be done for at least that long after gelding. I am really glad that you are getting this very cute guy. Keep us updated. MJ
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by nickie on Mar 9, 2006, 7:41pm

pnp4kidz- I sent you a PM
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 9, 2006, 8:24pm

PNP, I presume since you have a number of horses, you DO have the ability to quarantine? There's Strangles on the lot- my little guy arrived in Napa pretty sick. As I'm bringing him to a public barn, I arranged ahead of time to QT him in Napa for a month- and also get him gelded. Sam, the Pres. of CBER sometimes has space for horses waiting to be shipped- she charges $12/day because she also gives them Meds to protect HER horses. And Mapleway Vet Clinic goes there for Coggins and shots.
Also, have you told your References to expect a call? Sometimes things are held up because the References never answer their phone!
I sure hope you get him- I want to see a Hafy in the flesh!

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 9, 2006, 9:45pm

Just wanted to reassure you all that I CAN do quarantine here... we did all 4 mares and 2 foals a year and half ago, and they were sick for 4 months! grr... got out just in time to foal! anyway, I did them in my acre pasture (no shared fence lines) but I think I will put Hobbs in a small pen (also no shared fences), already has water, and shelter, just needs a nice "once over" to be sure it is baby-proof... and set up the bleach wash station, and we are 'set' again!! fingers crossed that he won't get sick, but never know. I'm a nurse practitioner, my sis used to work at the Marine Mammal Center rehabbing seals and sea lions, and we are just 'fine' with knowing about all that sterilizing stuff... not that we LIKE it... we just know how... heck, this time at least there is only ONE!!! hehe... and we will be up by the pump house so we don't have to scare the neighbors when we strip and change clothes (had to do that in the driveway last year!! now we have the pump house!!!)
ok, seems my app is in the works, and we'll know pretty soon...
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by scr on Mar 10, 2006, 4:57am

THis is a very nice thread to open up first thing in the morning. PNP, he is such a cutie. You must send pics and all that if he comes to live with you. ANd I would be very interested in how his club foot is progressing, the treatments and prognosis...
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 10, 2006, 9:33am

Oh Will do, I LOVE to get pics, and especially of the feet as they progress (we do that on our founder rescues to document progress). I think he will be SO cute as he grows up this year, you will all be shocked at how nice he looks come summer... and next spring pulling that cute little cart... hehe...
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by cvl on Mar 10, 2006, 9:43am

pnp - it sounds as if Hobbs will have the perfect home with you. Best of luck!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by mkgbuegel on Mar 10, 2006, 9:55am

hey pnp,

which one of you does hooves, you or your sister, or do both of you do them?

michelle
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 10, 2006, 10:41am

I do them, well, I'm learning... I have a great farrier/bare foot trimmer too... I could NEVER get 21 of them done... (22 soon?)
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger colt/gelding
Post by mkgbuegel on Mar 10, 2006, 11:03am

I will pm you
Michelle
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger elding
Post by foxie on Mar 10, 2006, 8:53pm

Update: Hobbs is easily approached, and was easy to get a halter on as well. Very friendly little guy who LOVES carrots! He was easily handled and very cooperative even with a young handler. Even better, he is gelded!




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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 11, 2006, 10:30am

Hey pnp, it's been a WHOLE DAY..........I can't wait- I have to ask how your approval's coming along? He is SO precious. Why oh why do I live in the 'burbs and have to pay high-end board??
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 11, 2006, 3:07pm

I am just waiting for the final approval, all my refs are in, and I'm on pins and needles...
I just wanna drive up and get him tonight!!!
I'll let you know... when I know!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by zora on Mar 11, 2006, 3:40pm

I can't wait to hear the news!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by scr on Mar 11, 2006, 4:09pm

Oh my, this is exciting...He is an absolute little muffin doll. Boy you just want to hug the heck out of him.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 11, 2006, 7:57pm

Gee, is it BAD if it takes this long to hear about an application?
they got both my references by this morning... now I'm nervous I won't get him...
fingers crossed, and gotta go get dinner!!!
researching club foot more, and spent the day with my farrier, so we are on the same page.. and can't wait to see the boy!!!
I'll let you all know if I get him,
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by cybercat on Mar 11, 2006, 8:06pm

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you, Beth! I want Hobbs to have someone who isn't afraid of his condition. Hope you hear something soon!

cybercat
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by zora on Mar 12, 2006, 10:17am

OK EVERYONE LET'S RAMP IT UP FOR ALL THE HORSES ON THE LOT! IT'S TIME TO GET TO WORK!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 12, 2006, 5:20pm

I dunno folks, I think they have reservations about my taking him...
I'll check in tomorrow and see, but in any case, please save this cute boy if I don't get him... he deserves it!! He's just a baby... so much to offer. There are lots of natural trimmers out there now, they will understand the necessity of not trying to make his feet "look perfectly matched" and allow him the best chance of being sound (no pain).
anyway, good luck to whoever gets him... he is a pot of gold, waiting for someone to just shine him up...
Beth

[cybercat]

Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 12, 2006, 5:24pm

Have you emailed ryan back and asked whats going on?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by zora on Mar 12, 2006, 5:29pm

pnp4kidz if you really want him it would be best if you stayed loged on, so we can reach you.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by calgal98 on Mar 12, 2006, 5:59pm

Not everyone can stay on the computer. A pm can always reach a person when they do log on.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 12, 2006, 7:13pm

I am checking back often, so I'll get an email or PM if there is one...
I'd love to get him still... and will do all I can do to help him,
as clarification, my definition of 'sound' is 'in no pain during gait',
I guess there was some question that my plan was to euthanize him if he was not perfect after some attempt to rehab him... which it is not.
We rehab founders... and I don't want to be defensive, but ranch would be empty if I euthanized all the horses here who don't have perfect cadence, or can't be ridden endurance.. oh heck, ridden at all!!! I won't leave him in pain just to say I saved him tho... but even that is with a grain, because the rehab won't be painfree... and if he needs surgery, even trims might be painful, just short term and with hope... I'm a realist.. and I honestly think this guy has a better than not chance of being awsome... his feet may look different, but I believe he can be painfree able to walk, trot and canter at liberty, and have some kinda job...

We had 4 PMU mares last spring, all foaled in a week... 2 of the 4 foals went to UCDavis... one was treated in ICU nursery for only 2 weeks or so, he is doing fine... had mannitol then had abdominal surgery for patent urachus... then the mare refused him, so we bucket fed him and hand raised him... . the other one had a trach put in because she couldn't breathe, her vocal cords paralyzed... we did trach care at home for 3 months... let's just say her bill at UCD was well into the 5 digits... and she ended up dieing... her condition was a congenital defect.. his bill only hit half that... anyway, my point is that we are willing and able to do what is needed... but realistic.... after 5 months of a rehab for cushing's and founder, a pony Joey had xrays this last month, and had pedal osteitis, abcessing monthly for so many months... we tried literally everything... but it was time... the only option was to do a huge, very painful, probably wouldn't work surgery.. and he had suffered too much... we kept tail hair, my kids said their good byes... we cried and then helped him cross the rainbow bridge... the reality is that we CAN'T save them all... but we are blessed to be able to save an awful lot of them, and it is a HUGE shame for some to be lost just because someone doesn't wanna spend some time and effort, and money.. , I probably won't spend over $10,000 on him... there is no way to tell what he'll need until I see him tho... and I won't lie... if UC Davis tells me he will never be out of pain, I won't keep him alive just to say I saved him... I have to keep in mind that it IS possible that he has already HAD the surgery... with the severe clubfeet some of them reoccur as yearlings... he was gelded.. why would someone geld him if they were going to send him to auction?? what vet would have missed this bad club??? there is a HUGE story behind this boy.. and it just might be that someone already went down this road, and was willing, but found that he was just not salvageable... the only difference in our stories MIGHT be that I would euthanize him, not send him to slaughter... I don't want to condemn his former owner... perhaps they DID do the whole workup... send him for surgery... do everything the vet said to do... spent tons of money effort and time on him... but then was told he needed to be put down... I don't know... in any case, I just might spend money to bail him, and find out that same thing... what I promise is that I will spend the $500 to euthanize him humanely, cry for him, save some tail hair, give him a bag of carrots and help him cross the bridge knowing we loved him... and I would NEVER consider sending him to auction to be either a) taken in by some stupid soul who'd keep him in pain and force him to work in pain for years or b) have a kill buyer pick him up again... ok, off my soap box...
I've been told I will hear either way, so I'll keep in touch, but they have my cell, and home phone, I got a few calls this am...
and they have my personal email, my work email... and I will check for PMs too...
I just think it isn't looking so good, some folks are approved in a day, and I've been on this for 4 days... don't get me wrong, I'm not mad... this is a great group, and there is no way to avoid the fact that I"m so far away, and they have to either approve me or not based on how I look on paper... I'm glad to know there is a process... and I'll still be supportive either way...
thanks
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by jennywho on Mar 12, 2006, 9:50pm

Don't give up. It took me quite a few days to get approved and I went through the same worrying that you did. Keep your chin up. I hope it all works out for you and Hobbs.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by scr on Mar 13, 2006, 4:52am

Hang in there pnp. The people who do the apps are very busy, and with the truck coming...don't worry.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by lessismore on Mar 13, 2006, 5:45am

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you PNP, I don't see any better person for this guy. You sound like you have the experience and mental background to handle such a thing!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by cybercat on Mar 13, 2006, 7:14am

Do we have a back-up plan for Hobbs?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by heidigrex on Mar 13, 2006, 8:22am

Assuming the euthanizing is the problem, if there is a problem, could/would you and CBER do a contract where you would turn him back over to them instead if it came to that?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by jellybelly on Mar 13, 2006, 9:05am

I totally agree with you Pnp4kidz there is a huge story and there is no reason to keep him alive and in pain but if he can be fixed all the better!!! Do not lose hope, it took them 2 weeks to approve me to foster. I hope you get him, I believe you would have his best interest at heart.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by crum on Mar 13, 2006, 9:15am


Mar 13, 2006, 7:14am, cybercat wrote:Do we have a back-up plan for Hobbs?



I've sent email to his PS to see what is in the works for this guy. I'm a huge pony fan and would hate to see this guy ship.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 13, 2006, 9:20am

OK guys, I GOT HIM!!!!!
now, gotta send payment and arrange for the coggings... give me a few minutes and hopefully he will be safe...
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by zora on Mar 13, 2006, 9:23am

That's fabulous!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by cybercat on Mar 13, 2006, 9:23am

Woo-Hoo!!!!!! Another Adoption! Let's celebrate!

[cybercat]

Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pattymartin on Mar 13, 2006, 9:33am

congrats!! He is beautiful.....looks like a mini Belgian..... great choice and good luck with him. We have a mustang with club foot also and with proper trims ours is doing great

Patty
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by tinkerslady on Mar 13, 2006, 9:35am

TERRIFIC!
Happy dance in Seattle!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by natrlhands on Mar 13, 2006, 9:44am

Congratulations Beth . . . and coming from someone who knows very well - don't give up until they tell you somebody else has the horse!! It's so hard when you're too far away to go right to the lot and have to depend on your computer for answers!! When I was waiting to hear on Major and Carhart, nobody could get ahold of me by phone because I was logged onto my computer all the time just hoping and praying for an e-mail to tell me one way or the other!! It sounds like you are the perfect person for Hobbs and he is a lucky guy to have you to look out for him. If he can get better and have a long, happy, pain-free life, then wonderful, but just know that you have lots of support here if you end up having to make tough decisions for him. I admire you for being willing to step up and take a chance on him knowing that it may end up being heartbreak for you!

Let us know when you get him home!! Congratulations again!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by lessismore on Mar 13, 2006, 9:44am


Mar 13, 2006, 9:20am, pnp4kidz wrote:OK guys, I GOT HIM!!!!!
now, gotta send payment and arrange for the coggings... give me a few minutes and hopefully he will be safe...
Beth



CONGRATULATIONS!

I wish you all the best with him!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on Mar 13, 2006, 9:49am

And another congrats from the other half of our ranch - Beth's sister Peg. Can't wait to see this little guy!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by mkgbuegel on Mar 13, 2006, 9:50am

Congratulations! thats wonderful news. If there is anything I can do to help you out, please let me know, I'm not to far away from where you live. He's going to be a very happy guy.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 13, 2006, 9:58am

Hi all,
THANKS for all the support.. I appreciate it!!!
I have two questions..
1) how do I pay the bail??? I have searched for half hour and can't figure out how...
(of course NOW you all find out how dumb I am!!!)
2) can anyone by any chance help me with shipping? it is gonna be from Lori Wright.
thanks if anyone can...
Beth

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by jennywho on Mar 13, 2006, 10:01am

You can either send a check via snail mail or even better send it through paypal. Congratulations, I have been hoping this would all work out for you.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by foxie on Mar 13, 2006, 10:09am

CBER Paypal Address - [e-mail]

Snail mail, checks, etc won't get there till late, and if you plan on adopting this horse before the truck comes, I would send it via paypal.

www.paypal.com/
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by crum on Mar 13, 2006, 10:15am


Mar 13, 2006, 9:20am, pnp4kidz wrote:OK guys, I GOT HIM!!!!!
now, gotta send payment and arrange for the coggings... give me a few minutes and hopefully he will be safe...
Beth



Happy Dance for Hobbes!



I had just started thinking I might have to finish getting an application in.

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by tatesmom on Mar 13, 2006, 10:16am

Congratulations PNP:
You will be a great partner to this little fellow, CBER does understand when there is no hope of being pain free, last year right on the lot they had to euthanize a little black pony named Baby, he came in with a severe foot injury, it was heartbreaking, but, they helped him cross the rainbow bridge instead of facing the captive bolt.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 13, 2006, 10:46am

OK!!! Bail paid (I think.. ), and vet called...
he'll get shots, travel stuff... and gelded if he was just "hiding" those jewels from Ryan...
(you KNOW how boys ARE)
anything else I need to know? is he gonna be ok sitting at the lot until friday when they come for him? do they just leave him with the others 'til then?
Thanks again... and you CA folks, come see him!!! I'm there evenings and weekends... and I'll update you with pics if I can figure out how!!! (My sis will, she is a computer nerd... hehe, Hi Peg!!!)
thanks again,
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by twhgal on Mar 13, 2006, 10:54am

I would check with Ryan about getting him off the feedlot. They've always been very helpful to me in finding a place for them to stay awhile.
And Congrats! What a cute boy.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by zora on Mar 13, 2006, 1:36pm

pnp4kidz you may have to pay board at the feed lot, it's $5 to $8 a day. Ask Ryan/Ranger about it.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by jenm on Mar 13, 2006, 1:48pm

Congratulations pnp4kidz! Hopefully his stay on the Feedlot will be over soon. Another CBER kid coming to California...yay!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by Hystyle on Mar 14, 2006, 11:20am

Good luck with this big Teddy Bear! He looks like a lover!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 14, 2006, 12:08pm

Thanks everyone....
if anyone CAN help with shipping, I hear I need to tell you my paypal account email address...
it is [e-mail]
Talked to UC Davis, his surgery eval will be minimum $200 plus xrays,
then surgery itself will be minimum of $600-800 plus any meds or other stuff... and board if he has to stay....
Oh, and they are feeling very reserved after seeing the pics... and his age... this is VERY severe, and he is OLD... so, we will see more at the eval... fingers crossed!!!
We have to take him for evals and such before quarantine is over too, waiting a month will push him into "probably not able to help him" timeframe... sigh.

I'll let you all know after we see him, and UC sees him...
thanks for all the support!!!
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pattymartin on Mar 14, 2006, 2:24pm

Beth,

I wish you all the best for him. He is adorable and so glad he has a chance at life with you.

Patty
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 14, 2006, 5:03pm

At least we have a top-notch equine Vet. available at Davis- not too far..........I sure hope he's fixable Beth. I hope to be able to visit sometime- I'm over on the Peninsula. I'm sending a little to help with his expenses.
Kerry (piopico)
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by equinemom on Mar 14, 2006, 6:11pm

Do not be discouraged - I have worked with a vet who has done lots of these and while, yes, the younger the easier and better to do the surgery,( less than 1 year old) he has had good luck with doing yearlings up to 18 mos too. The biggest thing is proper followup care to the surgery and diligent, diligent farrier that will come out as often as told during the critical months following surgery and you following the stall and hand walking routine to the letter, as well as the post surgical wound care. It CAN work pretty well, I have seen it.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 14, 2006, 6:48pm

THANK you, glad to hear that for sure...
I am going to wait and see what he looks like in person too... I am hoping the pics are a bit deceiving...
fingers crossed...
Appointment at UC Davis is next Tuesday.
We will certainly keep our fingers crossed.
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by Leisa on Mar 14, 2006, 7:26pm

Thank you, pnp... and PLEASE keep us posted! We adopt all horses that come through here in our hearts....!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 14, 2006, 8:22pm

I will keep the thread updated, I assume it will move sometime to somewhere else... can you tell me when it will move, and where?
and after he comes, I'll have pics, so I'll figure out how to update pics too...

Anyone interested in donating to his surgery, or the trip to CA, I'm a humble recipient at [e-mail] paypal.... sadly we are not a 503 yet, but it's in the works...

Thanks in advance, This guy has certainly touched a lot of hearts.....
Beth

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by nickie on Mar 14, 2006, 8:28pm

I'm not sure when the thread will move, but when it does it will be under "Pictures & Stories of Adopted Horses" in the ponies section. Congratulations!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by scr on Mar 15, 2006, 5:00am

PNP just keep us posted. He deserves a second chance. Is he in pain? I have no experience with club feet, knock on wood. UC Davis will fix him up if anybody can. Good luck to you and Hobbs.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 16, 2006, 9:38am

Just 2 days to see my boy (oh, and he turns out to be ALL boy!!! hiding his jewels!!!) ,
he'll get a few days to rest here, then off to UC Tuesday morning...
Thanks all...
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by Tina on Mar 16, 2006, 9:42am

i would hide them too if i knew what you were gonna do with them... LOL
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by natrlhands on Mar 16, 2006, 9:57am

Now THAT's funny Tina! Made me laugh out loud! Congratulations Beth on adopting Hobbs and do remember that we are here to support you in both happy and sad news, so do share whatever you find out for him!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by Tina on Mar 16, 2006, 10:06am

THANKS! i will be here all day!...


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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 18, 2006, 7:19pm

Hobbs is HOME!!!
He is doing well, none the worse for wear for his long trip down here... happy to visit with my kids and a real charmer... didn't wanna pick up his foot at LInda's, but here at home, did so and let me take a ton of pics, and pick it clean...
He has 3 inches of extra hoof there.. so we will see what UC Davis has to offer ...
Then, fundraising begins!!!
Thanks all, pics will be posted on our website tomorrow, WWW.founder-rehab.com
we will also have a blog there on his progress...
SEe ya!
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by zora on Mar 18, 2006, 7:50pm

Happy dance in SF,CA tonight!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 20, 2006, 12:43pm

Hobbs is doing fine here, really a sweet boy, very friendly and loves my kids!!! We have him in a pen on quarantine, but he can see around the house and see other horses... so he whinny's sometimes....
tomorrow is the "big day" at UC Davis... and we will see how it goes for him...
I'll let you all know what they recommend...
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 20, 2006, 1:11pm

Oh I have my fingers crossed for him- he looks such a sweet little soul.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pattymartin on Mar 20, 2006, 2:38pm

Just went to the website to see Hobbs, he is the cutest little guy, our mustang is clubfooted but not near as bad as Hobbs, I will be praying for him ....... he is so adorable, just want to hug him like a teddy bear

Patty
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Mar 20, 2006, 4:31pm

I was wondering about Hobbs, just today. Jingles and very best wishes. I have 4 club feet out of 40. All those horses do fine. The "Star" is Robert (you'll remember from the IR list) who is Upper, Upper dressage.

How does Hobbs move?

Anyhow, much good luck tomorrow.

Eve
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 21, 2006, 7:43pm

UC update...
Hobbs went up this morning, visited with the vet student first... who was a bit overwhelmed... and quite obviously had only had very well trained horses!!! she was a bit afraid, and he wasn't gonna help her! He simply refused to stand still for her exam.... oh well....
so then the vet resident came out... he was definately tired of all of it by then. She had very downbeat news... she had very little hope anything could be done, his deformity is VERY severe... and with his age, he has been tearing up the joint for a long time. not good... Any procedure would only be 'salvage'.
Then, finally, the faculty vet surgeon came out... she was much more upbeat and hopeful, although she was frank and open that this was a salvage procedure, that the best we could hope for was for him to look 'better' and be pasture sound out of pain, but that he would not likely be ridable. She did however think he could possibly, if all went well, be drivable. The surgery must be the most severe, as the desmotomy will only give him 2 cm of extra extension, and he needs several INCHES... so they have to transect the Deep digital flexor tendon, which will eventually heal back together, but longer.... the lameness, if he has it, will be from his existing deformity, not from the surgery.
So, we signed up... they were able to get him on today, unfortunately, his labs came back pretty bad, white blood cell count of 22,000, fibrinogen of 600, and he is anemic.... 18 hbg.
he has a temp of 102.2... so we went home. He looks fine, seems to feel fine, no runny nose, lungs clear, neck and under jaw is clear... so we wait for something to 'emerge'.
My vet was not so casual as the surgeons who did not want to give antibiotics... she was kinda ticked... so she is coming tomorrow to examine him and give him antibiotics... tonight, he gets some bute... and we moved his pen, so he is munching on 'new' grass in our back yard... mowing at it's finest... equine mower!!!
I have digital pics of his xrays, we will post to the founder-rehab.com website tonight... and I have a call in to another vet at Loomis Basin who specializes in ortho surgery, for another opinion... .and a quote...
the surgery at UC Davis will be $1200 to 1400, and I 'think' today was already $200.... Loomis said more like $650 for surgery, but we will see what that doc says on the phone tomorrow...
In anycase... any fundraising suggestions gratefully appreciated!!
and crossed fingers/jingling for a fast recovery from whatever is 'bugging' him.... !!!
Beth

[cybercat]

Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 21, 2006, 7:45pm

Well shoot! I forgot to say that the xrays were VERY hopeful... !!!
His coffin bone is not nearly as rotated as it appears from the outside, and it has NOT remodelled.. the joint is good, little if any arthritis... so he has at least hope of recovery... that is why we proceeded to 'try' today before he was found to be sick... shoot.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by equinemom on Mar 22, 2006, 1:23am

From the sounds of the X-rays I think you should have hope, that is good news and maybe more fixable than you think- vets always give the worst case scenarios in case stuff doesn' t work out but if they were willing to go ahead that is great news indeed- not surprised he is showing signs of sickness, horses at lot sick, plus stress of trip, plus young , bad foot, etc etc, hopefully he will bounce back fast and you can go ahead. Good luck Hobbs!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by bootoyou on Mar 22, 2006, 5:42am

Well, mixed news, keep us posted. Everyone is very interested in the outcome. I think that Hobbs is one that really grabbed everyone's attention. He is so cute and he looks so sweet. And why is he in the draft section, isn't he a pony? MJ
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by stacy on Mar 22, 2006, 11:10am

I wish Hobbs a fast recovery from his flu bug/infection or whatever is going on. It does give you the opportunity to get a couple of quotes/second opinions. I HIGHLY recommend Pioneer Animal Hospital. They have the best surgeons and best equiment available. You might be able to get a quick opinioin over the phone or via email if you send copies of the x-rays.

Bootoyou - Haflingers are draft horses - as are Sheltand Ponies
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by jenm on Mar 22, 2006, 12:14pm

pnp4kidz, what is your paypal address?

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 22, 2006, 2:17pm

It's halfway down page 4.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 22, 2006, 3:04pm

Hi all,
another update...
this morning I spoke with Dr Yarbough at Loomis Basin, he is an orthopedic surgeon (equine). I really liked him!
He said the prognosis was very good... and was MUCH more upbeat. He also sounded like he had seen this plenty of times, and had personal experience with this going very well....
the one thing I liked the MOST was that he had a 'stepwise approach', (interestingly I asked Davis about doing this)... he would like to do the check ligament desmotomy first, then give him some time and hoofcare to bring the heel down... and if that doesn't work, then do the tenotomy.... and see if that gives us enough loosening... etc.

I like that... he also was clear, the desmotomy will NOT decrease his athletic ability at all! The tenotomy might, so best to do the least of the surgeries....

Then, the illness.... today the vet came and looked at him... mumbled about how surgeons and internal medicine vets 'butt heads' over 'this stuff'... pronounced him very sick, broncho-pneumonia, nasal congestion, cough of course, fever, swollen lymph nodes, sore throat.... ack. Anyway, starting on IM antibiotics tonight, cough syrup, etc... and redo labs on Monday with another exam... glad I called her.... she is confident that the Naxcel will cover strangles if that is what it is... and he is not abcessing yet if it is, so we are ok... she did a culture....
and he has to come into the barn... fingers crossed it is NOT strangles... as he won't be very isolated, but with the pneumonia, and it forcasting rain on Friday, whatcha gonna do....

see our website for updates, the xrays are up there... www.founder-rehab.com
and thank you for donations to cover his surgery!!! we REALLY appreciate it!!!
Beth (we have a paypal setting up for Founder Rehab, a button is on the web page, until that works properly tho, mine is [e-mail] )
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Mar 22, 2006, 3:34pm

I'd like the last vet best, too. (The one who would do it in steps.)

Now, the little booger is sick! Man.

You sure have my best wishes, Beth. And were I not saving for Handsome's probable surgery, I'd send you a bit of money.

Dang, I'm never going to get my facelift.

A Cother's signature line: "Equus Makeus Brokus".

Jingles.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by cvl on Mar 22, 2006, 3:48pm

Glad the latest prognosis from Dr. Yarbough was more promising! I checked out the pics of his foot on your site. Holy cow! Poor Hobbs - now to be sick on top of what he has already gone thru. Will be sending lots of jingles your way for his speedy recovery!

And also - I wanted to thank you not only for rescueing Hobbs, but for taking him into your home and heart! I don't think he could have been placed in a better forever home!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on Mar 23, 2006, 9:48am

Thanks for the kind comments! We'll continue to update here and on our www.founder-rehab.com on the blog.

Peg (Beth's sister and other half of rehab team)
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by rhea on Mar 23, 2006, 10:01am

I just wanted to ad that I have been to Loomis Basin but for my Giant Schnauzer. I absolutely love the place. Every vet that walked by was kind, the staff as well. My vet was so fantastic. Beautiful facility and they are Full service as well. They have a Farrier on site with is own area in the back.

I am glad you found them. I know you will do the best and what is right.

Best wishes~ rhea
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 23, 2006, 2:53pm

I don't have any noteworthy news today... only that he is SOOO cute, even tho we have to give him shots in the butt every 12 hours... and have to twitch his little nosie to hold him still, and stand clear of his rapid fire cow kicking.... when we're done, he loves his back rubbed, and even rubs my back too!!! makes me giggle... just so cute that he totally doesn't hold a grudge... I'm certain we can talk him into lifting his hind feet for us soon.. at least talk him into letting us PET his hind legs... without kicking at us... he has quick little hind feet!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by lorsadoon on Mar 23, 2006, 7:37pm

Is club foot a hereditary deformity or is it caused by an injury?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by jennywho on Mar 23, 2006, 8:23pm

I get so excited every time I see this thread updated. I don't think that CBER could have found a better situation for Hobbs. It sounds like he is in the absolutely best care he can be and will have the utmost chance at a wonderful life thanks to you guys. Reading about his journey through all this puts a big smile on my face. Best of luck to everyone.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 24, 2006, 10:13am

Hobbs/aka Sundance's club foot is for certain congenital (he was born with it), but it is not clear without knowing his lineage if it is genetic. It DOES run in some lines... very common apparently in some Arab lines...
It can also come after birth, and then later in life tight tendons can be from an injury. He has no injury, the tendon was just formed too tight. As they grow, the tendon length stays relatively the same, but the bones grow... and it gets "tighter".

He is still SOO cute.. and doing fine so far as far as sickness... no cough, no enlarged lymph nodes, no nasal discharge... butt is getting sore I'm sure, from shots... but he LOVES the sugary cough syrup!!! vet says he gets that for a week!!! he sucks it from the syringe, and smacks his lips the whole times.. yuuuummmmm... slurp, eeeeeyyyyyyy.

lifting his fronts easily now, and only mild swats with hinds now... that's better...
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Mar 24, 2006, 10:30am

Beth, can the club foot side take his full weight? If so, that makes trimming ever so much easier.

BTW, two of my non-related Arabs have clubbed right feet. My farrier says that's usually the effected foot. (Now I'm wondering about my word usage. "Effect" is the noun. "Affect" is the verb, so "effected" should be the adjective, right? Wrong? English is tough. Glad I don't have to start from scratch as an adult.)


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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 24, 2006, 1:58pm

Yep Eve, the club can take his full weight!
He prefers not to use it to step up or down from the trailer... but I can lift and look at the good foot just fine. He is also quite agile at swatting me with his left hind while I'm holding the left front!!! a gymnist in the making!!!
what a lovely trait, able to stand on just two legs. hehe...
I'm trying to decide what to do for some sort of wedge thingy to put on there, I'm thinking of a little arts and crafts tonight, taking a foam block and carving an area out for his toe to go in, then taping his foot in there, thereby keeping him from tipping forward, and maybe levering it a bit to 'heels down' to start stretching him out... if I can just get him stretched enough to vertical, I can wedge under the heel then start to lower that... but I'm befubbled at the first part, getting him back from knuckled over... the tendon hits a hard 'end' with the toe past vertical... I can't manually stretch him to a 'high heel' type position at all.
any suggestions? I wanna just try something slow, since vet yesterday said no surgery for at least 3 weeks...
cultures come back tomorrow or Monday, so we will know if it is strangles...
IM antibiotics until Sunday, then on to pills for a total of 14 days...
and it's raining again... joy.
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on Mar 24, 2006, 2:06pm

Psssttt..... Beth. No arts and crafts tonight It's Scrabble night with the young ladies who are feeling quite ignored!

Peg, your conscience <g>
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 24, 2006, 5:03pm

OK, tomorrow... we will carve him a boot.... heel... shoe... thingy out of blue styrofoam hoof pads... maybe.... if it works.
scrabble tonight. my kids are feeling left out.
but my words will all be hoof, boot, heel, rotate, coffin, bone.... club... desmotomy... (oops, too long)
have a great weekend everyone!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by rodeo51 on Mar 24, 2006, 5:12pm

LOL...You two are funny! I am glad Hobbs is with you....
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by piopico on Mar 24, 2006, 9:32pm

Welcome founderrehab..........I guess pnp4kidz nabbed you for our organisation. Nice to have another 'foot specialist' on board.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on Mar 25, 2006, 1:02pm

I guess you could call me "nabbed.." I"m pnp4kidz's older sister. We own the ranch and run Founder Rehab together (with our farrier!!)

Peg
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 26, 2006, 10:19pm

Well, I finally got up the gumtion today to give my 'ingenious' boot a try...
if you want to see pics of my modified easy boot, go to Founder-rehab.com and go to the second page of pics...
anyway, after much mulling over how to form a toe extension while still wedging up the heel, I decided that with his upright toe, a boot would form the extension! and if I wedged up the heel, voila! ... now, to get it to stay put...
i trimmed down the front edge of the boot, put a piece of foam under the heel, and a chunk in the toe... then used easy boot foam to fill it and stick it to his hoof...
only time will tell if it will stay on...
but he accepted it.... and walked to the barn in it! He drags his heel, but in the boot he can't knuckle over, so it's a start. I don't want to sore him... this is only a step, just to get him to weight the foot, and land flat....
we will slowly reduce the heel, then after the surgery, we will need something to keep it down, so the boot, if it works, will be our "thing" instead of a shoe... IF if works!!

He stopped IM antibiotics today, and will have a redraw of his CBC tomorrow, and we get his cultures back, so we will have a diagnosis for his 'crud'.... but he is feeling all better... actually bucked in turnout yesterday!!!

and, as you might have guessed... we have fallen in love... he is SO sweet... have I said that before??? I mean it... on day 1, he was just about a touch me not... you could halter him, and pet his nose... but the body was off limits... I could pick up the bad hoof for an instant, only. I got to his belly before getting a swift, well aimed hind foot ... .

By Tuesday at UC, I could reliably lift a front, but no way on the hinds...
today, hinds are lifted easily, and I groomed some of the deep dug in poop off his stifles... only one kick!! all this while we are still twice daily giving shots and twitching him! He is a love, and is VERY forgiving!!! and Ryan was right, he LOVES carrots!!! but he is such a baby, he has to have baby carrots or carrot tips, as he can't chew big ones quite yet!!
ok, more tomorrow when we get some labs...
hopefully surgery Saturday, but if not then, in 2 weeks from Saturday (we have guests coming the middle weekend)
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by crum on Mar 27, 2006, 9:01am

I went and looked at your boot work. How is he doing with his boot?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 27, 2006, 10:24am

the boot was off by morning... but I learned a lot...
I need a size 000 boot, smaller....
I need to use lots more of the foam, but it worked really well to fill under his hoof!
and I will use a neoprene frog support next time too...
all in all, I think it stayed on for quite a while, it was quite dirty and scuffed from walking... and I deem it a success! New try tonight, no time this am.. and no supplies...
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by agilitygal on Mar 27, 2006, 12:33pm

I know nothing about horse boots. . .or how to help club feet. BUT, today I was looking through the 2006 Master KV Vet Supply catalog and they have a lot of different kinds of horse boots plus all kinds of other horse supplies. You might want to check on this mail order company. I order from them for many of my dog supplies because of a better price for my many special needs dogs. 1-800-423-8211; www.kvvet.com
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 29, 2006, 1:55pm

Repeat labs came back last night, his WBC count is lower, like 11,000 now (still high tho), and his fibrinogen is slightly better at 550, but still high too. We are going to give another 2 days of Naxcel (sorry Sundance... sore butt again) and continue the TMZs... he will have another repeat next Monday.... probable surgery April 22... we will set that up when we have a good CBC and clear lungs on exam....
my farrier is coming this afternoon!!!
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2006, 4:24pm

FINALLY!!! we got the last of the globs and hanging balls of poop off of Sundance (Hobbs) belly and elbow and stifles today!!! YEAH!!! he kinda hated us pulling all that hair off, but he's shedding so it wasn't TOO bad... and he LOVED his belly scratched after!!!

He had his first hoof trim yesterday too... a long way from not being able to touch his sides or hips last week, to a hoof trim!!! the trimmer was impressed at how good he was, and we essentially just tidy'd him up, and levelled the right front... took a bit of heel off the club, but just a tiny bit... and left it at a 'good experience"!!

he is very vocal now, hates to be alone... loves people, and is gonna be some heck of an awsome horse when this is all said and done!!

If all goes well... the CBC good on Monday, then we will schedule surgery !
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by cvl on Mar 30, 2006, 4:30pm

Yay for you pnp4 - good work! Do you have any pics of Sundance all purdied up?? I'm sure everyone would love to see updated photos of that cutie!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Mar 30, 2006, 6:48pm

It was sprinkling here when I got done with him, so we didn't get a pic... but we will by this weekend, and post it... he is really looking nice!!! and acting MUCH perkier!!!
(Vet said to give him the last few shots of the Naxcel since his CBC isn't perfect, so we gave one tonight, and had to restrain a feisty boy!!! but he is SUCH a love... after we get the shot 'in' and the twitch 'off', he immediately turns for a scritch, and 'where's the carrot?')
only 3 shots to go... sigh. let's hope we don't have to do shots after surgery!!!
thanks!! I'm glad you guys are still following us!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by scotchie on Mar 31, 2006, 8:26am

I love following this guy-please keep the updates coming! So glad he is doing better!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Apr 4, 2006, 10:35am

Beth, I recall Eleanor saying that progress in lowering heels can be achieved with three sessions with a rasp each week. (FIY, everybody, I'm referring to Eleanor Kellon, VMD.) That would seem doable on one foot, if he's good, and especially since hooves should be very soft right now. And if you have a dry spot to stand him. (My stalls are flooded.)

Are you 501.c yet?

What size shoe would he wear, if he wore shoes? I'm thinking about medicine plates and epoxy in front of the hoof.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 4, 2006, 10:47am

I've been just tearing my hair out thinking of 'ways' to get that heel down... the problem is that he does not weight the heel at all right now... the DDFT is so tight it has pulled the P3 back to vertical or a bit past that... so I have to get that pulled out a bit first... then get the heel to weight, before I can get him to stand on it to do the stretch himself! right now, I could put the heel height where ever, he walks and stands on the front of the hoof wall... he has a rounded spot there, not even on the sole surface, it is on the wall....

We are pending 501c3 now, it will retro to donations from Jan 1, but not until it goes thru... fingers crossed...

I have no idea on shoe size... very small tho, the easy boot size 00 was too big... I just found an old style size 000 and bought it... so we will see if that fits! I'd say he is definately a small pony sized foot... (cute as a bug too!!)
are you thinking of the epoxy to hold the med. plate on or to reinforce the toe?

please!!!! share your thoughts!!!

Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 4, 2006, 10:51am

oh, and yes, I'm flooded in all the paddocks too... but my stalls are dry (fingers crossed... it is POURING right now!!) and he has the single paddock that the rock did 'the job'... sigh, so he has NO MUD!! that is a miracle.... most of them, well, the 'good' areas are 'only fetlock deep'... and I'm not going wading to see how deep it gets!!!
and those silly horses were standing out in the pouring rain this am... they HAVE cover... they PREFER to get wet!!! I guess 50 degrees is balmy for them.... sigh.

Hobbs is OFF antibiotics as of yesterday (YEAH!!!!) and off of Quarantine as of the weekend (DOUBLE YEAH!!!) so, now, if there is even a damp moment, I'll be tryin' on boots again, those new ones ship out today!!! I 'think' it would be better to get 'some' stretch before surgery... the vet thinks I'm wasting my time... but if it won't HURT... what the heck...

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by crum on Apr 4, 2006, 10:59am

The way I've seen the epoxy used primarily is to reshape/rebuild the toe gradually to the proper shape and to shift the weight back. I wish I could think of a good way to send you a drawing or picture of what I mean. Maybe I'll do a quick search of the web to see if someone else out there has a picture of it.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Apr 4, 2006, 11:44am

I'd wondering about a medicine plate, held on with duct tape, that is longer than his foot, but the same width. Then, putting a thick-ish layer of epoxy under the toe so that he would rock somewhat backwards. Sort of a walking "heels down" exercise. Ask your farrier what could be done along those lines. Whatever you do would have to be gradual, of course.

Another thought: Could you somehow hold his leg up at the knee, and physically pull the toe area up? I visualize doing it by resting the heel of my hand on the front of his ankle, at about P1 or P2, grasping the toe with my fingers, then pressing down with the heel of my hand and pulling his toe up a bit.

Another thought: You know the EDSS system with rails, right? Could farrier modify a bitty EDDS shaped shoe, drill it for the rails, make a rail that matches his foot now, then a series of less steep rails that could be substituted as the tendon stretching is progressing?

When Savoldi's apprentice was doing Robert, he was having her take off about 1/4 to 3/8" of heel per trim in addition to the general trimming of the whole foot. He was barefoot.

To anyone else who may be reading this, Beth and I share a history of dealing with foundered horses, and the details are a "little" arcane to anyone except Hoof Compulsives such as ourselves. If you actually want to know what we're talking about, we can refer you to several websites in which the participants talk about nothing else, and offer in depth explanations. hehe--if you don't ask, I'll understand.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 4, 2006, 3:43pm

Hehe, yes, we ARE a bit hoof obcessed, huh???
and obviously like minded about the mechanics of 'how' to make this work...
I think the EDSS might work, but I worry about nailing anything onto those tiny feet... so I'm hoping the glue will work... but I hadn't thought of a steel plate glued on... hmmm...
the EDSS rails is what I was kind of thinking of with the wedge... under the boot, then letting him come down slowly.
I 'think' if I wedge him for a few days now he will 'learn' to walk with weight on the heel.. then as I drop the heel, he 'should' come after that feel again... but I don't know if that is certain.... with the makeshift boot on he drug the heel with every stride, even after going down my long driveway, and down the 90 foot barn aisle... I had hoped he would 'feel' it better and learn the stride... but I think he has learned this hoof shape for a long time... it will take re-learning for sure.

I was thinking of using the Epoxy to at least reinforce the toe, so it didn't wear off... just walking in and out to turn out on my driveway has worn a lot of hoof wall off... I think it is already thin, I don't want to get anywhere near that P3 tip.... but I 'think' the boot kinda does the same thing... only more easily replaced... (also easier to knock off!!!)

I think I am going to 'call' in my offer from the massage therapist, to do him this week instead of waiting for post op... she is doing him half price "IF" I can pay for another horse to be done at the same visit... I guess Bonnie is the lucky recipient...!!! (my daughter's 27 year old QH, who still runs [OK, they WALK] gymkhana... and the season is 'bout to start! time for a tune up!!) Bonnie LUUUUVVVVSSS her massage... !!! until they get to her tummy, but heck, what old lady wants somebody 'feelin' her tummy??? (oh yea, it's GOOD for her too!!)
so crabby/Bonnie will get some luvin' and so will Hobbs/Sundance... I hope that helps him drop his heel... and she will have some homework for us too... sigh, she always does.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by fototropic on Apr 7, 2006, 5:11pm

I've found this thread really interesting. My pony has foundered twice. I did a lot of reading on the internet and decided to go with a natural hoof trim approach of getting his heel lowered to try to get the coffin bone ground parallel. When he was so terribly sore in the heat of founder, after I got the first front foot done (with guidance from a AANHP certified farrier), he lifted the other front foot by himself and offered it to me without my even touching him. Anyway, after a year of going back to the farrier, my husband and I are learning to trim ourselves with this same farrier. It's very interesting stuff. So please keep this thread going. I know it's not founder, but it's interesting.
Pam
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 10, 2006, 5:03pm

Thanks Pam! We will keep chattin'!!

Sundance officially has a 'Date'!!!
yipee!!!
He is going to Loomis Basin, to have surgery on Monday April 17th... the check ligament desmotomy with Dr Tom Yarbough. If that goes well, he will go back in a few weeks for gelding... but he didn't want to do both at once. He will have special toe extension shoes placed after surgery and come home... then get reset every couple of weeks for a few months. "IF" that doesn't get his heel down enough, "THEN" we will return in a couple of months to do the DDFT release... but this gets us a good headstart at stretching... and the 'least' surgery...

The antibiotics will be finished on Wednesday, and fingers crossed... we will be all done with 'that'... !!!

New pics from yesterday (all cleaned up!!) are on the webpage I think... www.founder-rehab.com (if not, then by tonight... my sister is in charge of that part!!)

He is so much more 'babyish' and full of it now!!! he is not nearly the 'good boy' we thought he was!!! Here we thought he was so well mannered.. calm, gentle, easy to handle... HA!!! he was just SICK!!! hehe... serves us right for thinkin' he was so dog gentle!!! no way, he's a handful!!! but now we have a head-start on training... !!! he wasn't feeling well enough to fight us two weeks ago... and we 'snuck up' and halter broke him, trained him to lift his feet adn be grooomed...
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 10, 2006, 5:07pm

oooops, hit post when I was trying to go back to fix my typo!!!
anyway.. silly boy got trained when he wasn't up to fighting.... we couldn't have planned that any better!!!

so, off to Loomis on Monday.. wish us well!!!
Don't you worry, I'm a picture NUT... so you'll get to see 'before' and 'after' and maybe even pics of the surgery!!!

Huge thanks go out to those who donated to the surgery fund... we are deeply indebted to you for making this do-able... Sundance is worth it....

Beth and Peg
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by calgal98 on Apr 12, 2006, 2:49pm

Great to hear the report on Hobbs....ummm sundance?!?!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 12, 2006, 3:15pm

FINGERS CROSSED..
last CBC done today, barring any problems, off to Loomis on Monday..
anyone who wants to come watch is welcome!!! (OK, I'll take pics... )

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Apr 12, 2006, 3:38pm

Beth, I just sent in my (late) contribution. IF you don't get it, please let me know. Paypal goes through periods of possession. Good luck Monday.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 17, 2006, 5:25pm

Sundance had his surgery today!
He did really well, had a chest xray done before, to see why the heck he isn't totally better from his pneumonia... still has some inflammation, but otherwise doing ok... so we went ahead with surgery...
and it was short and sweet... just a little digging, pulling, then snipping... and voila!!! Done!
we ditched out to get a bite to eat while he woke up.. and returned to find him standing in a pen hollering at us... 'maaaaaamaaaa!!!!! take me HOOOOOOOMMMMME!!!' neh....

anyway, his foot looks much better, not perfect by any means, but much looser... now we need to have the toe extension shoe placed, and start taking down those heels...
he has an epoxy toe build up for now, but apparently that isn't quite strong enough...
he will get bute for 14 days, and antibiotics for 10 days... and we give him a few months to stretch....
thanks again for all the support, and donations... we really appreciate it!
Now, 15 minute handwalks 3 times a day!! anyone wanna come walkin"?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 18, 2006, 8:55pm

Today Sundance got his new shoes! so pretty!!!
well, not really pretty, but VERY functional!
his heel is on the ground, and wow... he is still sound!!!
we couldn't have been more happy...
the pics will be on the website tomorrow... of the new shoes...
and for the folks asking, we found out today that it is fine to send donations straight to Loomis Basin Equine Hospital... under our last name, Kennalley (Sundance).
They were very very happy to hear that folks were donating to his care, everyone seems to fall in love with Sundance right when they meet him!!!
we are no exception!!
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by oliveoil on Apr 18, 2006, 10:22pm

Well that is GREAT!!!!! I hope everything goes great eith him and he heals fine!!!! well keep us posted.
Olivia
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by crum on Apr 19, 2006, 6:38am

He is looking tons better!It's great to see the improvement. Did the vet give an indicator of how he thought the surgery went and whether he expects a full recovery to the point of his being sound for riding, barring any complications of course?
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Apr 19, 2006, 7:17am

I can't find the pictures! WAAAAAA!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by crum on Apr 19, 2006, 7:35am


Apr 19, 2006, 7:17am, ebo wrote:I can't find the pictures! WAAAAAA!



www.founder-rehab.com/Hobbs-Surgery.html

No pictures of his fancy new shoe yet though
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Apr 19, 2006, 7:43am

Thank You Dear Crum!!

Neat.

Obviously, the reason the surgery was so expensive was to pay for the special hoof rest!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on Apr 19, 2006, 9:21am

One of the things that I like about vets, the high-tech equipment.


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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 19, 2006, 11:15am

Hehe, the doc up there actually said something about not publishing the pics... as it didn't show their 'high tech' ability!!! yup, a box... functional!!!
take a peek back at the new pics after Peg gets them up tonight...
he's even awsomer in his new shoes!!!
and to answer Crum's question, what the vet said is that if he can be rehabbed with only the Check ligament desmotomy, he will have NO disability at all... if he needs further sugery and the DDFT cut, he will have "some" repurcusions, but still be very ridable, but if he needs the superficial Flexor cut, then we are in deep doo doo.... he would only be pasture sound, no riding or hard work, might be drivable after that... but would not know for sure.

What we know now is that this desmotomy did WONDERS for his foot... and I can't in my wildest dreams see that he'd need that superficial cut... and I doubt seriously that he'll need the DDFT!
as he walked back to the barn after his shoes last night, I called the farrier over and said, you know, if I didn't KNOW what he had, I'd not say he was even lame right now!!! Farrier had to agree, grade 1 lame at most right after the shoes... and that is mostly due to his occational stumbling from trying to 'figure out' how to walk like that again! not too bad...

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on Apr 20, 2006, 7:08am

The shod foot pictures are posted now on our website, as well as a page with comparisons of when he arrived until yesterday. Pretty amazing what our team of professionals has done!

www.founder-rehab.com

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by jennywho on Apr 20, 2006, 10:09am

HOLY SMOKES! IT LOOKS AWESOME. I had no idea it would look that good already. Hope his spirits are holding up. Looks like he's a trooper.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 20, 2006, 11:25am

he is such a trooper!!! He walks up and down the driveway with someone twice or three times a day, for 15 minutes... has an occational 'owie' step, but I am COMPLETELY amazed at how well he is doing too... he seems to be taking it really well, seems to be a totally happy boy, and LOVES all the attention of the handwalking!!! (I have LOTS of grass growing along my driveway, so he gets to munch once per lap... )
thanks for hanging in with us...
wish his old owner could see him now.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by scr on Apr 20, 2006, 2:21pm

Oh my gosh, what an amazing transformation. Kudos to your team of vets, farriers and caretakers. He is such a doll and what a great personality to be so mellow through it all.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 21, 2006, 9:09pm

We are doing fine so far!!
Hand walking twice a day, and he is learning so well to walk on that foot!
amazingly tonight you can see the fetlock flex down, with a spring as he lands, it drops down at least 2 inches!
We did the first dressing change tonight, just a tiny bump under the incision, no drainage, no heat, no swelling except that small bump... if that is even permanent, it will be awsome!
I'll get some more pics tomorrow of him walking... it's amazing... still!!!
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by fototropic on Apr 22, 2006, 5:31am

This thread is so inspiring. It seems a triviality to say that I am so happy for Hobbs; that you took him in and committed to this level of care and rehab. It shows that there are many people out there who have great compassion and love. Some people tell me that they couldn't watch the Animal Planet animal cops shows because they find it too disturbing. I find it comforting to know that there are people everywhere who are fighting for animals. Kind of restores my hope when I get too overwhelmed, like when I read Heidi's post about the horses that got on the truck. Thank you for providing hope for us and comfort and care for one of God's creatures.
Pam
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by gazenna on Apr 26, 2006, 1:06pm

I cant say for sure if this may help you with Hobbs, but sometime back the Indiana horse rescue had a I think yearling or a little older colt that was rescued from the Shishewanna auction that had a very bad club foot. This colt looked to be just about totally knuckled over actually a little worse then Hobbs. If you type in Indiana horse rescue it should take you their site. The pics are not up anymore, but if you email Katherin Caldwell from the rescue she may be able to mail you the pictures and explaine what all was involved. I do remember reading he made a real big improvemen. I also want to tell you that Hobbs sure is a cutie, Goodluck to him and you both.... Donna
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 26, 2006, 2:09pm

Thanks Donna,
we have already done the surgery on Hobbs, now named Sundance, and the improvement is miraculous! go to our website, www.founder-rehab.com and take a peek... the pics I like the best are the comparative shots from feed lot, to pre-surgery, to post surgery, then after shoe... truely amazing, and he keeps improving, walking today with barely a limp... heel first landing, and a spring in the fetlock with each step.
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by gazenna on Apr 26, 2006, 4:25pm

That is great, I will go check that out as soon as I get done with chores........Donna

[cybercat]

Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 27, 2006, 12:32pm

Baby is getting new shoes on Monday evening...
well, a reset at least..
new pictures will be forthcoming at that time, as well as new video footage of his abilities!! he is well on his way to "Dancing with the Stars"!
and such a friendly guy, tractable, easy going...
as I walked him last night, and he REALLY wanted to graze instead of walk, walk, walk...
I kept thinking how kid friendly he was... he'd try to cut out for a bite... but a little tug on the lead and he'd keep coming with me... when he tried putting down roots when I was going back into the barn... just a little coersive maneuvers and in he came... and I realized... this guy is only a baby!!!! and he leads like an old champ!!! My other two yearlings will lead, but they are much more apt to just say, 'no way ma! I'm going over HERE!!!" and give a wholehearted try at getting away with something once in a while... and Sundance just has NEVER offered to even refuse a THING!! I can't wait to see how he is when he's 5!!!

Updates again on Monday, off to a horseshow on Friday, so off the list for the weekend!
(my feed guy and nanny will be taking over 'nursing' duties!)
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by equinemom on Apr 27, 2006, 5:46pm

HI
When I rehabbed the one I had done, I let her take intervals of stopping and eating grass in between walking because it made her so much happier and more relaxed than just straight "marching" so to speak, and my vet thought it better than constant moving, especially at first, you can still get your 15 minutes in but add grazing time! They do start to hate going back to the stall because they have to stay in it so much, so I allowed her to rest outside eating a bit on the lead line when we did our "walks" and her mental attitude was happier.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 27, 2006, 9:52pm

Great idea, I'll let him 'hang' a bit more during walks and see if he is happier..
I'm also hoping our days of stall rest are short lived!!
also had a (fingers crossed!) vet visit today for the 'final' CBC, and hope to hear tomorrow that we can get off the antibiotics! If it's not perect tho, we are going to switch to something else for a few weeks, to kick this thing in the tooshie!!!
OK, pics on Monday after shoe reset!
stay tuned!!!
Beth
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by ebo on Apr 27, 2006, 9:59pm

If you have a barn aisle you can close off, they can do quite a bit of their "hand walking" while you're doing chores. They seem to like to inspect things, but mine never got rambunctious about it.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 28, 2006, 10:32am

I have to admit, I have let him out into his paddock now... it is all gravel, hard pack, so NO mud, and it's small (for my ranch), just about 24 x 30 or so... and pretty flat... but he can visit with the donkey, a pony, and the mares next door (who hate him... but it is at least interaction when they snarl at him!!) and he does a lot of strolling here and there...
remember, he is only about 12.2 h! he can walk a lot in there!
good idea with the barn aisle, I did that with my gelding last summer, post the procedure, let him walk himself up and down while I did chores...
I'll start letting him go out and smoof around... he is NOSEY NORBERT... so he'll have fun doing that!!!
fingers crossed that his CBC is good, the new shoe goes well on Monday, and 'soon' we can give him more freedom!!! and stop medicating him!!!
Beth (who LOVES riding Taffy!!!)
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by equinemom on Apr 28, 2006, 11:07am

Wow thats pretty fast to move him to a paddock too! The vet wanted me to keep mine stalled in double stall except for the handlwalking for a month as they really need to rest a lot too, too much walking around too early isn't good for it either I guess. And then they had me very gradually increas the size of then pen she could go into.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 28, 2006, 12:51pm

We only had the 1-2 weeks of stall rest order... and up to 3 times per day of handwalking at least 15 minutes...
we don't have a double stall available, but this paddock makes his 'area' just a bit larger than double stall. He is a quiet pony, I have yet to see him even trotting a step, mostly he stands by the gate to the donkey and they sniff, he doesn't walk around , just stands.
He was mostly worried about my hill, and the mud on turnout... this has neither, and we are just allowing him quiet time to visit. promise.

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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by paminpalmdale on May 12, 2006, 8:40pm

Any updates on Hobbs?

Pam Mom To Ahsland (Kiawa) Gelding Extraordinaire
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on May 14, 2006, 7:11am

Hobbs (now Sundance) is doing awesome! His shoes were reset once and he's walking like a champ. His club foot still has a long way to go in terms of heel dropping and hoof reshaping, but we are so lucky to have him doing as well as he is!

Yesterday I had him out for his walk up and down the driveway and he was trotting! Cutest little thing... he is very much a baby for sure, but leads like a champ, very much wants to please. AND, very much would much rather be in a pasture with other horses!

If you haven't seen the "before and during" photos of his club foot, take a look. www.founder-rehab.com and see what a great job everyone has done.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on May 31, 2006, 5:36am

Updated pictures of the progress of his hoof:

www.founder-rehab.com
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by rodeo51 on May 31, 2006, 6:07am

Wow...What a change. It's simply amazing. I am so glad you took him.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on Jun 13, 2006, 1:14pm

Just a little update... he's such a cutie! Last night I took him out for a little walk up and down the drive. He's such a typical yearling! Just into everything and everything into the mouth

He was trying out leaves on the ground, sticks, my shoes... anything but the beet pulp that had the worming granules in it

We are so lucky he is so good natured... leads like a charm and when I put him back in the paddock he did the prettiest little trot over to Taffy (our CBER Belgian / Appaloosa). I think he recognizes "Mom" material in her!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Jun 16, 2006, 8:08pm

New shoes for the baby tomorrow... and a bath!!!
unfortunately, now that he is "out" he is rubbing his mane... puts his neck thru a fence gate, prolly to play with the donkey, anyway, he is 'short' at the base of his neck... but it'll grow back....
PS: have I mentioned how CUTE this guy is??? oh boy, he is cute!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Jun 18, 2006, 5:35pm

Sundance had his shoes reset yesterday, and a huge amount of new foot has grown in... he is completely sound trotting in hand up the driveway now... and is just plain doing great! The farrier even had to admit he NEVER thought he'd see the day he was sound at the trot... makes a girl feel good...
pics should be up on the website tonight, Peg is upstairs downloading now...
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Jul 11, 2006, 12:12pm

Sundance is still doing great! He showed us the most beautiful RUN up the hill this weekend, just showing off... he can do a great extended trot too, just for fun... There is nothing 'lame' about this boy any more... I guess it's time to do some ground training, and remove those nasty spare parts... (gelding) before he 'finds' them...!!
He is a typical 'boy' tho, rubbed out half his mane... not sure why, but he apparently likes putting his head thru one of the gates to visit, and rub rub.... grrr.
it'll grow back I guess...
foot is growing FAST... reset shoe again this weekend!
hope to get pics up too, the compter program for our webpage is acting funny, it reverses the colors... makes it hard to look at. I'm not sure what we'll do to fix it, but we'll think of sumthin'. It is awsome to see his progress...
I have video of him walking when he got home, and after surgery, need to do some now, so you guys can see how well he has done... IN cred I ble.... seriously.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by jenm on Jul 11, 2006, 12:47pm

I can't wait to see new pics. This little guy is so darn cute!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Jul 13, 2006, 6:10pm

I figured out photobucket, so here are a few pics from the last few weeks, actually in June! Time is flying!!!

[cybercat]

He is such a good boy.... stood like a champ today in 100 degree heat...
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by tinkerslady on Aug 2, 2006, 4:21pm

WOW he looks amazing!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by mkgbuegel on Aug 2, 2006, 4:36pm

Beautiful!!!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by cvl on Aug 2, 2006, 5:58pm

I totally missed this thread!

The Hobbster looks fantastic!!!1 What a change!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by piopico on Aug 2, 2006, 8:55pm

I am SO happy so see him looking normal- great job you guys.
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by founderrehab on Aug 2, 2006, 11:27pm

Thanks for the comments... we just love this guy so much and love sharing his progress almost as much as him!

Peg
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Sept 1, 2006, 2:52pm

Hehe, so, I was walkin down the driveway, and what do I hear???
the Sundance Greeting (of course!!!)
nnnnnneeeeeigh...
so I say, 'hey, want YOUR pic taken?'
hehe, he said 'no, I want to SEE that thing!!!',
so, this is what Sundance looks like this am.... hehe...


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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by devas on Sept 1, 2006, 3:00pm

He is just adorable. He's always been one of my faves! I'm so glad he's doing good. His foot looks amazing!

I have lots of pictures like that last one! Silly horses. I have so many nose, nostril and lip pictures I don't know what to do with them. Of course I keep them all because I think its funny when they do that!
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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by horsetrouble on Sept 1, 2006, 3:38pm

Sundance (Hobbs) reminds me so much of my friends gaited pony!! Here is a pic of Moonpie, his twin:


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Re: HOBBS - 1 y/o - 12.3h - Haflinger Gelding
Post by pnp4kidz on Sept 1, 2006, 3:58pm

Adorable!

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Re: SUNDANCE ( Hobbs )1 y/o -12.3h -Haflinger Geld
Post by Whiskey Brat on Sept 15, 2006, 5:27am

Hey beth, in that one pic of Hobbs I noticed a yellow fly spray bottle - is that the stuff that says right on the bottle that its supposed to last for 4 weeks? I just picked up 2 bottles of that at the auction last weekend and am wondering how it works (havnet tried it yet! lol)

Does it really work for 4 weeks? lol
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Re: SUNDANCE ( Hobbs )1 y/o -12.3h -Haflinger Geld
Post by pnp4kidz on Sept 15, 2006, 7:50pm

LOL!!! did you say 4 minutes?
I dunno, I just am happy if the flies stay off during the farrier's trim on one hoof...
hehe, nothing seems to work long enough for more than 2 hooves...
and certainly NOT for all day, ROFL!! 4 weeks is a joke.
the only think I have gotten like that is the drops... the Celebration work great, expensive, but great.
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Re: SUNDANCE ( Hobbs )1 y/o -12.3h -Haflinger Geld
Post by pnp4kidz on Oct 25, 2006, 9:21am

Well folks... dum da dum... da de dum...
Poor Sundance has had some of his 'dance' removed... well,
two of his dancers...
he had his testicle-ectomy yesterday...
the funny part... well, not so funny maybe... but shocking..
was that I threw him on the scale....
he weighed in at 660 or so when he had surgery in April, same scale.
well....
geeze.....
he weighed in at 895 now!!!!
sheesh!!! am I gonna have to stop feeding him?
can you say FATTY??
thinks he is starving too...
good think he is in with a few others so he has to compete for food!!! otherwise he'd roll down my hill!
well, I figured last night that he is doing well because his thighs are so big, they are keeping pressure on the surgical site... hehe...
seriously, I have NEVER had a gelding feel so fine afterwards...
he was chipper when I went to get him, just a couple of hours after the 'deed'...
whinnying... happy to get in the trailer for the ride home...
a 2+ hour drive! (took him to Loomis where they did his surgery... )
and, figured he 'd be kinda sad when we got home...
well.. NOOOOOO>.. he was just HUNGRY!!!
happy to walk, actually walked in circles around me for a half hour while I was on the phone... then drug me to his paddock! He didn't wanna be alone to rest.. he wanted to go OUT!
ce la vie! out he went. this am, he is still just fine... I'll go closer in a bit to see if he's swollen, bet he is... but heck, he is doing just fine... .
so, welcome to the latest gelding... Sundance!!!
They all fell in love with him at Loomis!! and Dr Yarbrough was SO happy to see how great his foot looks! the staff didn't know he HAD a club foot before!!! I liked that part!!!
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Re: SUNDANCE ( Hobbs )1 y/o -12.3h -Haflinger Geld
Post by pnp4kidz on Nov 16, 2006, 9:11pm

I'm updating them all tonight...
Fatty, oh, I mean Sundance is doing great.
he is still fat.
and happy.
and in blissful ignorance that when this mud and muck is over... that means spring is here... adn THAT means he will be TWO... and THAT MEANS TRAINING!!!
hehe...
he will first learn to ground drive... and when he is 2 1/2 we will try attaching a 2 wheeled cart!!!
hehe...
by the next spring he'll prolly be thrilled to have my fat butt on his fat butt... LOL!!! NOT!!!
the honest to goodness "not too far to fall" model! and seriously so wide it will be HARD to fall off!

It is so fun to have my Sunny around...
our newest gelding!
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[pnp4kidz]

Fatty isn't QUITE so fat this spring!!!
he is on the pasture now... so he has to play on the hill... and I 'MEAN' hill!!! LOL!!!
my guys are 'legged up' for sure! no small whimpy butts here... we live on a serious hill...
they graze at the bottom, and we feed up top... so there is plenty of daily climbing going on!
Sundance's foot looks great...
he is COMPLETELY sound, and we plan on starting him in driving training this summer/fall.
He is a pony for sure, I haven't measured him but I'd guess 12.2 h...
but he is as wide as a draft horse... so, he'll be an awesome 'old foggie' horse! not too far to mount, not too far to fall off!!!
:-)
He is a love still... and so personable...
I will post pics... got some good ones of him and his long mane and forelock...
and...
for those of you in CA
he'll be at the BBQ~~~!!!!
come and see him!!!

[agilitygal]

He really is a beautiful guy. And, to an untrained eye, you would never know that he ever had a club foot. This truly is amazing!

[afinenettle]

OMG Cant wait to meet him at the picnic. What an incredible job you have done with this little horse with his" throwaway" deformity. Amazing.

[ptowne]

Wonderful to get an update on Sundance. He is so freakin' cute! What a doll. Can't wait to see some new pictures.
pam

[barbpurple]

here is a shot of him at the potluck at watermarkfarm's may 19, 2007

[pnp4kidz]

Update!
Mr Sundance got a new set of shoes.... today.
and he is looking so... BIG!!! and good too... :-)
here you go!!!


here is the 'bad foot'

heel

toe

inside

with the other foot just to prove it!!


do these new shoes make my butt look wide?

or my man-boobs look spread apart??

is he a chunk or what?
he is just a teeny boy! hehe... a PONY!!!
look at that hair!!!

[cvl]

WOW - he looks FANTASTIC!!! And that HAIR - he gives Finn a run for the money!!!


He certainly is a little chunky monkey. ;D

If man boobs = "moobs"
does horse boobs = "hoobs"?

[atticus]

He is FABULOUS!!!! and his hoof looks excellent!!

I think if we ever all go to a horse show we should enter him and Finn in the costume class as Dr. Evil and Mini Me from Austin Powers!! He looks like Finn's little brother!!!

GREAT job on that foot!

[rocky]

WOW!!! You have done an outstanding job...........

[piopico]

I REALLY think you should feed that horse more..........he's SO skinny!!!!!!!!

So, when's he starting saddle training?

[pnp4kidz]

LOL!! I put him in the herd on the hill, with the mares...
that is our 'diet' herd... hehe, they run him up and down, and make him fight to get food!!
LOL! He obviously gets plenty huh?

and do you remember last summer... his mane was like ROACHED! He rubbed it off on a fence!
this hair all grew over winter!
his forelock is down to the tip of his nose now...

It would be SO much fun to do them up as Austin and Mini Me!!! ROFL!
let's do it!

saddle training... well, he's only two...
prolly do some harness training this fall... he DOES need a job, and he is for sure built!
but we don't want to break him down.

What do you think? I'm thinking maybe early fall for some 'starter training', then winter 'off'.
:-)

He reminded us this weekend that his foot works FINE... ran and ran... it was the first time he ever ever didn't bowl us down to get to come out !!!! stinker!!!

[pnp4kidz]

Why are those pics so small?
here they are... big so you can see he is wider than a TRUCK!!!




mta.... and yes... I know.. .he has a 'boo boo' on his hock, showing that indeed he DOES play.. and play HARD he does!
and in his side pics you will see that he is FAR from 'full furred'... he has boo boos all over from his 'two year old boy' play.... and I think it's wonderful.
he plays hard, like the normal horses...
and he is living in a herd with old mares and two other two year olds to play with.
and I am glad he is alive and able to play and get scrapes.
:-)

[toeps]

ummm . . . . I'm speachless . . . . hubba hubba
Beth he looks fantastic ;D

[pnp4kidz]

Tank you...
:-)
(I just noticed, all the pics are of his near side...
just for info, he has that same amount of mane on the OTHER side too!!! )

[agilitygal]

Drop dead gorgeous! A little Finn, for sure. Stunning. Thanks for all the updates, I've learned so much.

[pnp4kidz]

Hey, if any of you trainer types wants to offer up some 'free' training for this little boy...
I won't be sayin' no!
:-)

[sassiedogtk]

WOW, he is a looker. Great job with his club foot, you would never know. Lucky little guy to have you.

[pnp4kidz]

Awe, little man hasn't had an update in a long time!
well, he is now barefooted... for about 6 mo I think... and doing great!
he is a 3 year old stinker... about ready for a job!!!
here are some pics from yesterday with the farrier....
how far we've come!!!











with his savior, Patrick O'Hara... the farrier...
tada!
what a big boy he has become!!!

ok, one more!

[patrolhorse]

UNBELIEVABLE !
You have done such wonders with this boy. He was SO very lucky to find you. What are you plans for him from here?

[caryn]

Ohhhhh, he's definitely a big boy now I remember his sad appearance on the feedlot. I thought he had very little hope of finding a home with such a severely clubbed foot. I was so happy to be wrong!!!! You didn't just give him a place to live, you gave him love and the specialized care that he needed. Beth and Peg, you are truly heroes to this boy. Big hugs and kisses to your family (equine and human).

Caryn

[pnp4kidz]

Sundance needs to find someone who will train him to ride and drive, and USE Him...
We love him to death, but I vascillate on keeping him... as I know we won't use him much...
if anyone feels interested, please contact me... let's talk...
otherwise, he'll go off to some training this fall after some 'kindergarden' stuff with us this summer (having sacking out, bridles, saddle, the harness if it will FIT his fattness)
but I think he's gonna make an awesome horse!!! and I'd LOVE to find someone who'd show him... !