chrisw
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 20:09:54 GMT -5
Post by chrisw on Dec 11, 2007 20:09:54 GMT -5
Why can't CBER have a legal document of some sort stating that they feel the horse(s) should be QT and that said adopter has been advised etc and CBER is not liable?? If adopter's want to QT fine but this charge is causing so many hard feelings. JMO of course.
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NanciK
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 20:16:35 GMT -5
Post by NanciK on Dec 11, 2007 20:16:35 GMT -5
CBER doesn't own the horse so I don't think there is much that could be put into a legal document.
Remember the reason they went to the QT policy is precisely because people adopted horses, didn't follow what were then just QTguidelines, the horses got sick, infected other horses, horses died ... and then CBER was blamed for NOT making QT mandatory.
Can't win.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 20:26:43 GMT -5
Post by browneyedgirl93021 on Dec 11, 2007 20:26:43 GMT -5
Just a thought... can CBER offer to help this rescue as a united effort and do the QT at a reduced price? I truly believe that CBER is in existence to help the horses not to turn a profit, so maybe an exception can be made to help just these two at cost??? If an actual CBER representative went onto the AB board and offered to still help facilitate the rescue without receiving the $150 fee per horse it would impress alot of people and prove some of the bashers wrong. Just my opinion.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 20:31:06 GMT -5
Post by drjinva on Dec 11, 2007 20:31:06 GMT -5
Just a thought... can CBER offer to help this rescue as a united effort and do the QT at a reduced price? I truly believe that CBER is in existence to help the horses not to turn a profit, so maybe an exception can be made to help just these two at cost??? If an actual CBER representative went onto the AB board and offered to still help facilitate the rescue without receiving the $150 fee per horse it would impress alot of people and prove some of the bashers wrong. Just my opinion. I think that would be a good thing too.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 20:44:49 GMT -5
Post by keldco on Dec 11, 2007 20:44:49 GMT -5
Ditto. I think it would be a chance to heal some hearts. Kelly Just a thought... can CBER offer to help this rescue as a united effort and do the QT at a reduced price? I truly believe that CBER is in existence to help the horses not to turn a profit, so maybe an exception can be made to help just these two at cost??? If an actual CBER representative went onto the AB board and offered to still help facilitate the rescue without receiving the $150 fee per horse it would impress alot of people and prove some of the bashers wrong. Just my opinion. I think that would be a good thing too.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 20:47:29 GMT -5
Post by Admin on Dec 11, 2007 20:47:29 GMT -5
The mares are being purchased directly from Chuck. Perhaps we could donate to the rescue taking them.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 20:55:12 GMT -5
Post by rescuestoribbons on Dec 11, 2007 20:55:12 GMT -5
Just a thought... can CBER offer to help this rescue as a united effort and do the QT at a reduced price? I truly believe that CBER is in existence to help the horses not to turn a profit, so maybe an exception can be made to help just these two at cost??? If an actual CBER representative went onto the AB board and offered to still help facilitate the rescue without receiving the $150 fee per horse it would impress alot of people and prove some of the bashers wrong. Just my opinion. I agree with this too! But a problem would be, which horses do we make the exceptions for, just the prego ones or what? I Do agree that these mares need to get off so they can have their babies in a safe place!
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 20:58:42 GMT -5
Post by calypso on Dec 11, 2007 20:58:42 GMT -5
A thought - the mares could be due in January. For health reasons, it would be best for the mares to be where they are going to foal out 30 days before they do to give them time to develop the correct antibodies and pass them to the foal. I'm not sure that a 30 day QT would allow that. And, she is going to be anxious to get them to her place so they don't foal out on the road!
Donating to help with transport would be a nice gesture.
She's about a hour south of me; I've been planning to go down there for a year and haven't made it. Now I have a reason... :-)
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 21:03:43 GMT -5
Post by drjinva on Dec 11, 2007 21:03:43 GMT -5
Just a thought... can CBER offer to help this rescue as a united effort and do the QT at a reduced price? I truly believe that CBER is in existence to help the horses not to turn a profit, so maybe an exception can be made to help just these two at cost??? If an actual CBER representative went onto the AB board and offered to still help facilitate the rescue without receiving the $150 fee per horse it would impress alot of people and prove some of the bashers wrong. Just my opinion. I agree with this too! But a problem would be, which horses do we make the exceptions for, just the prego ones or what? I Do agree that these mares need to get off so they can have their babies in a safe place! I know that they can't do it every time. But I don't think that it should be determined by the type of horse (prego ones). It would be good to do something to help another rescue that's taking in the horses though.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 21:16:04 GMT -5
Post by ebony07 on Dec 11, 2007 21:16:04 GMT -5
If lynne purchases directly from CHUCK then Lynne has the choice regarding QT? Is this correct?
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 21:24:25 GMT -5
Post by lisam on Dec 11, 2007 21:24:25 GMT -5
I've been reading about his on the ABR board, and it looks like Lynn from the PMR has it all figured out--she has a friend who will pick them up and quarantine them.
We all know how this is going to unravel and fall in a big pileof crap in Sam's lap.
I don't understand this comment--why would it unravel? Apparently PMR is a highly respected rescue, and has the experience to deal specifically with pregnant mares. Lots of people over on the ABR board are donating.
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NanciK
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 21:46:53 GMT -5
Post by NanciK on Dec 11, 2007 21:46:53 GMT -5
That's great news! I hope they get them out of there before shipping day, when we know horses that we thought were safe, got shipped anyway.
I can donate toward the transportation to California, it will be expensive.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 21:50:21 GMT -5
Post by browneyedgirl93021 on Dec 11, 2007 21:50:21 GMT -5
Lynn does have it all worked out. She has a friend in the area with empty facilities who can pick them up tomorrow :-)
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 22:03:49 GMT -5
Post by beckybee on Dec 11, 2007 22:03:49 GMT -5
I've been reading about his on the ABR board, and it looks like Lynn from the PMR has it all figured out--she has a friend who will pick them up and quarantine them. We all know how this is going to unravel and fall in a big pileof crap in Sam's lap.I don't understand this comment--why would it unravel? Apparently PMR is a highly respected rescue, and has the experience to deal specifically with pregnant mares. Lots of people over on the ABR board are donating. I didn't know Lynn had someone local to pickup he horses. This has happened in the past where people in OR and CA have bypassed CBER and Sam ended up having to go pick up and qt the horses, be there for vet, administer meds etc. The adopters didn't pay Sam for even the hay and wouldn't publickly acknowledge what she did. Just took kudos for bypassing cber.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 23:24:07 GMT -5
Post by bookie on Dec 11, 2007 23:24:07 GMT -5
If I understand this right, PMR is in CA and those 2 mares with reguire coggins to cross state lines. I am not sure how long it takes to get the results of the blood test.
Marlene
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 23:46:45 GMT -5
Post by leosolis on Dec 11, 2007 23:46:45 GMT -5
I've been reading about his on the ABR board, and it looks like Lynn from the PMR has it all figured out--she has a friend who will pick them up and quarantine them. We all know how this is going to unravel and fall in a big pileof crap in Sam's lap.I don't understand this comment--why would it unravel? Apparently PMR is a highly respected rescue, and has the experience to deal specifically with pregnant mares. Lots of people over on the ABR board are donating. Thats great news that they may have a place to go..it is terrible that they are going directly thru CHUCK...now everyone will think they can do that.... Also if those mares get sick..who is going to get blamed? CBER...we had them listed... also I hope to heck they are planning on bringing there own trailer up to get them..I would be PISSED if I found out one of my horses was in a haulers trailer with a horse directly off of the lot & it had not been in QT.
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Naomi
Dec 11, 2007 23:48:07 GMT -5
Post by leosolis on Dec 11, 2007 23:48:07 GMT -5
If I understand this right, PMR is in CA and those 2 mares with reguire coggins to cross state lines. I am not sure how long it takes to get the results of the blood test. Marlene The coggins is most likely no biggie..but I hope to heck they tell the vet honestly where the mares came from...
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Naomi
Dec 12, 2007 0:04:45 GMT -5
Post by hasinger on Dec 12, 2007 0:04:45 GMT -5
should we take the mares off of the cber site since chuck sold them outright?
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Naomi
Dec 12, 2007 0:18:18 GMT -5
Post by browneyedgirl93021 on Dec 12, 2007 0:18:18 GMT -5
I've been reading about his on the ABR board, and it looks like Lynn from the PMR has it all figured out--she has a friend who will pick them up and quarantine them. We all know how this is going to unravel and fall in a big pileof crap in Sam's lap.I don't understand this comment--why would it unravel? Apparently PMR is a highly respected rescue, and has the experience to deal specifically with pregnant mares. Lots of people over on the ABR board are donating. Thats great news that they may have a place to go..it is terrible that they are going directly thru CHUCK...now everyone will think they can do that.... Also if those mares get sick..who is going to get blamed? CBER...we had them listed... also I hope to heck they are planning on bringing there own trailer up to get them..I would be PISSED if I found out one of my horses was in a haulers trailer with a horse directly off of the lot & it had not been in QT. I agree its terrible that they had to go directly through Chuck. It would have been much better if CBER could have just waived the fee for each horse, a condition of all the FOB donators. The bright side is that the money has been raised for both their bail, the trailer picking them up tomorrow is a private party, and the local facility they are going to doesn't have any other horses AND most importantly they have a loving home waiting for them that is highly experienced in caring for pregnant mares :-)
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Naomi
Dec 12, 2007 0:57:35 GMT -5
Post by bnc2004 on Dec 12, 2007 0:57:35 GMT -5
I think that we need to be a little more positive and thankful that these mares are going to live! These mares and their babies will get a much deserved second chance at life! I'm very glad that they are not getting shipped!
So, where does the money that was raised for their bail go? To other horses bail that is still at the lot?
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Naomi
Dec 12, 2007 1:00:45 GMT -5
Post by alp324 on Dec 12, 2007 1:00:45 GMT -5
I would like to tell everyone how this all happened. Last night early 6:30 EST I was literally crying because of Lucky. I was about ready to just give up....an email popped up from Pregnant Mares Rescue - a December holiday newsletter - I had totally forgot how I signed up maybe couple months ago in my quest online for places to post ads and other rescues to remember. So there it was in front of my tears.....I said, OK this is some kind of sign. I sent an email to the founder, Lynn Hummer explaining the circumstance of these mares and asked if there was some way she could help.
Lynn emailed me back by midnight saying don't worry she would help the mares. It was such a simple statement but it was like someone had just given me a huge hug to say it would be OK. I didn't see that till this morning because I had fallen asleep. So I emailed Lynn back with more photos and she said she was going to put a plea to her members to raise the money so they could take in the mares. I gave them the paypal for CBER.
Then I found out that some of her members are FOBs and she innocently posted a plea on ABR for help......I was terrified. With all the controversy there right now, my heart just sank and I emailed Lynn saying how yes there is controversy, but it does not stop me from trying to save these two mares and I hoped she was still going to help....and she simply said.....of course I am going to help.
Now some FOBs started to complain about the CBER fee and QT and someone suggested trying to go to Chuck directly....then FOBs started to post they would donate immediately if Lynn could bypass CBER.....and so she tried to do that. It appears that she was successful and was fortunate to have family/friends here to pick up the mares tomorrow. In a matter of a very few hours, the money was raised by FOBs.
Now I am very happy these mares will be saved, but how it unfolded was not how I expected. There is a great line another rescue quoted on AB a while ago..."A Save is a Save." and that is how I think as well.
But there is some little part of me that still aches for Lucky because if there was not so much controversy on ABR we could have asked for more help there last week and probably saved him.
I have to say that Lynn Hummer comes across as a wonderful person and Pregnant Mares Rescue will be the perfect place for these wonderful mares.
Aleta
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Naomi
Dec 12, 2007 1:54:48 GMT -5
Post by browneyedgirl93021 on Dec 12, 2007 1:54:48 GMT -5
Aleta,
Thank you so much for contacting Lynn, because of your diligence to help, these mares they are safe...no matter how it happened. The only thing that should matter to anyone is that they will be safe in a great home specifically for pregnant mares. I can't thank you enough for your efforts and the home you found for them :-) They are very lucky tonight!
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Naomi
Dec 12, 2007 12:44:02 GMT -5
Post by NanciK on Dec 12, 2007 12:44:02 GMT -5
I think that we need to be a little more positive and thankful that these mares are going to live! These mares and their babies will get a much deserved second chance at life! I'm very glad that they are not getting shipped! So, where does the money that was raised for their bail go? To other horses bail that is still at the lot? I don't see any indication on either of the mares' thread that any funds were pledged or sent in. The CBER accountant would have to verify that.
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