Post by TashGaia on May 2, 2008 21:16:39 GMT -5
This was posted on the wrong thread. I made it it's own thread so that it got off the other.
Edited to add: OMG! I just checked the Enumclaw auction web site.
www.enumclawlivestockauction.4t.com/
And, GET THIS, they only have horse auctions the first Sunday of every month! That means he went through the auction on April 6th (the first Sunday of April). So, Ted E BEar didn't have 30 days of Qt, apparently. What the heck is going on??
Kay gets to QT at her trainers. That was one of the questions with Dusty because Kay was checking if her trainer had room when Laurie emailed and paid for him, then supposedly Kay paid for him too.. Sam told me Kay usually will let a horse go to an outright adopter, and Shawna said she spoke to Kay and Kay said Ok but a week after Laurie had emailed and paid for him, Shawna was still saying she hadn't made up her mind who would get him.. then the next day wrote Laurie to say oops the feedlot owner sold him and I didn't know.
?
? 8 days after he was paid for? I had suspected he went to Kay as well, it just didn't seem possible that Shawna would leave a paid for horse on the lot for 8 days without checking on it..
I mean that sounds wrong, right? So I wonder where Dusty ended up. Did he go to Auction too?
It's not that its not a good thing for Kay to take horses and get them cleaned up and some training.. even if she makes a profit at it. But to allow it over a permanent home.. I though permanent homes were preferred....
Whither 20 mins of questioning the real location of Dusty.. I got booted off the staff section of the CBER webbie. I could still log in but not see Aps or the horses pages anymore.
Tash fixed it months later when she found out, but the timing was too perfect, you know?
I always wondered what happened to dusty, I was told three people were willing to pay full bail, but he just seemed to disapper.
I always wondered what happened to dusty, I was told three people were willing to pay full bail, but he just seemed to disapper.
Well we really don't know do we...
Either Shawna was incompetent in his case, or she lied...
I just pray he's still alive, and in a good home.
Well we really don't know do we...
Either Shawna was incompetent in his case, or she lied...
I just pray he's still alive, and in a good home.
That's not right. I saw some of the correspondence, and I don't blame Shawna for just checking out of the deal. Additionally, there has never been any HINT of a rumor about Shawna doing wrong by the horses. I don't know what it is with you two, but it isn't good, and it certainly isn't civil, and it really should be dead and buried for everyone's sakes.
That's not right. I saw some of the correspondence, and I don't blame Shawna for just checking out of the deal. Additionally, there has never been any HINT of a rumor about Shawna doing wrong by the horses. I don't know what it is with you two, but it isn't good, and it certainly isn't civil, and it really should be dead and buried for everyone's sakes.
The ones from Shawna to Laurie where she was pissed that she had paid for the horse, because she didn;t know the "new ever changing rules"
Or the ones where I tried to explain to Shawna why she paid? And how much I thought it sucked that CBER tends to discount good people who invest for more $$ and commitment and get crapped on in return because they weren't local?
The ones where Shawna completely changed the reason she hadn't placed a previous horse with Laurie, and then sends Laurie an email saying not just, oops my bad, I ignored the horse for 8 days and he's gone.. but went on to say she had never recieved an email from Laurie about the other horse even though Laurie has read reciepts and REPLIES from Shawna about it??
She in every email found a way to say Laurie was to blame... and every email she flip flopped some reason as to why she was to blame.
So what was wrong? She was willing to pay for him, have him shipped to Cali, geld him, fix his hernia, AND NOT RESELL HIM FOR PROFIT. When she found out about the MANDANTORY QT (you know when they were still lying about it being the State Vet, and per Shawna NO vet in WA would risk their license to give a helth cert to ANY horse that had come from ANY of the auction houses... :snort:)
Laurie agreed to do QT she just wasn't willing to pay Shawna for it at that point, because Shawna had been hostile towards her from the first email.
So I still say either she LIED (whether it was her idea or someone else's, she was not professional at all in this case) and if she didn't lie about Dusty, then she had to have left him on the lot for 8 days without checking on him..
We were there Michelle. We came to Sam's remember and saw Shawna face to face a week after Laurie paid for that horse and Shawna said "I haven't made up my mind yet" in a very hostile tone when she was asked politely, and not by me if Laurie was getting him.
Shawna can be pissed at me all she wants, but she treated Laurie like crap because ?? I still don't know.
We went from having another offer, to the horse had issues, to because she lived in CA and Shawna didn't want the horse going to CA, to Laurie never emailed her.. Then she got crap about sending money in for the horse.
Michelle I have spent years trying to smooth over crap for CBER. You know it because you did the same thing and it is frustrating as hell to have it mean nothing and to have to try to make excuses for why Shawna was being so nasty, especially to someone I know IRL who is a kind sweet person. Or to stand there and have her be rude to someone who works her ass off to feed horses no one else would take.
So can you tell us what really happened to Dusty?
That's not right. I saw some of the correspondence, and I don't blame Shawna for just checking out of the deal. Additionally, there has never been any HINT of a rumor about Shawna doing wrong by the horses. I don't know what it is with you two, but it isn't good, and it certainly isn't civil, and it really should be dead and buried for everyone's sakes.
I'm being very civil, just a question, and no I'm not saying she did anything wrong by the horses, maybe you need to read my post again.
Along with Tockita, I was there too, and heard it with my own ears.
are we done talking about Ted E. Bear? Please either start a new thread or take it offline.
I'm being very civil, just a question, and no I'm not saying she did anything wrong by the horses, maybe you need to read my post again.
Hi Tina
. I was referring to what has become a long running issue between Kathy and Shawna that doesn't benefit anyone, horse or human. Didn't think I was replying to anything from you. Hope things are good for you!
mta, to Kathy: I saw hostility from all sides, and my point was that it doesn't benefit anyone. Apparently there is no end to this, and nothing w/ CBER is my responsibility at this point. I can't give you updates from a database that 1. I don't have access to, and 2. Kirsten destroyed.
I regret responding at all, but will say it takes two to fight.
So we have to read the same fight between you, Tock, and Shawna all over again? This same issue between you two was brought inappropriately to this board months ago.
Regardless of your beef with Shawna, I find it in poor taste to be bashing her here. If you have such animosity still, take it to PM or email where it belongs and you two work it out in private.
No offense to either of you, really, but enough of the bashing.
Em
1. I don't have access to, and 2. Kirsten destroyed.
Thats sad to hear there was a lot of info in the database, and I still need a bill of sale for my darling Dyna, but I doubt they left Dusty in the data base.
It didn't start off hostile from this side. I only emailed Shawna because Laurie didn't understand why Shawna was being so mean to her. I tried to explain to Shawna why Laurie sent in the money, how everytime she went to adopt a horse the rules were different and it was always said to be her fault, and a hey lets try to not do that again... especially after Sam said she could have him if Kay didn't mind, and Shawna said Kay had said OK.
She didn't "check out of it" She went against what Sam told me, and what Kay said was OK, and demanded that it be her decision alone.. So it's on her now that people are concerned where that baby ended up.
It's not like ANY of the horses that came to So Cal got a bad deal. They are all still here, healthy and happy except for Charity, and that was not for lack of care or commitment on Angi's part.
If I offended Shawna's ego or her need to be queen supreme that wasn't the intent, however it was frustrating and weird how she kept changing stories and reasons until it was obvious it was something she made personal.
If she had a beef with me, she should have kept Laurie out of it.
I know Laurie still occasionally looks at the site because she has asked me about a few of the horses, and emailed me the other day to ask what is wrong with it. But anytime I make noises about taking one... she backs off. There is no way she would want to deal with Shawna again.
May 1, 2008 16:41:11 GMT -5 @greysquirrel said:
Edited to add: OMG! I just checked the Enumclaw auction web site.
www.enumclawlivestockauction.4t.com/
And, GET THIS, they only have horse auctions the first Sunday of every month! That means he went through the auction on April 6th (the first Sunday of April). So, Ted E BEar didn't have 30 days of Qt, apparently. What the heck is going on??
Kay gets to QT at her trainers. That was one of the questions with Dusty because Kay was checking if her trainer had room when Laurie emailed and paid for him, then supposedly Kay paid for him too.. Sam told me Kay usually will let a horse go to an outright adopter, and Shawna said she spoke to Kay and Kay said Ok but a week after Laurie had emailed and paid for him, Shawna was still saying she hadn't made up her mind who would get him.. then the next day wrote Laurie to say oops the feedlot owner sold him and I didn't know.
?
? 8 days after he was paid for? I had suspected he went to Kay as well, it just didn't seem possible that Shawna would leave a paid for horse on the lot for 8 days without checking on it.. I mean that sounds wrong, right? So I wonder where Dusty ended up. Did he go to Auction too?
It's not that its not a good thing for Kay to take horses and get them cleaned up and some training.. even if she makes a profit at it. But to allow it over a permanent home.. I though permanent homes were preferred....
Whither 20 mins of questioning the real location of Dusty.. I got booted off the staff section of the CBER webbie. I could still log in but not see Aps or the horses pages anymore.
Tash fixed it months later when she found out, but the timing was too perfect, you know?
Well we really don't know do we...
Either Shawna was incompetent in his case, or she lied...
I just pray he's still alive, and in a good home.
Well we really don't know do we...
Either Shawna was incompetent in his case, or she lied...
I just pray he's still alive, and in a good home.
That's not right. I saw some of the correspondence, and I don't blame Shawna for just checking out of the deal. Additionally, there has never been any HINT of a rumor about Shawna doing wrong by the horses. I don't know what it is with you two, but it isn't good, and it certainly isn't civil, and it really should be dead and buried for everyone's sakes.
The ones from Shawna to Laurie where she was pissed that she had paid for the horse, because she didn;t know the "new ever changing rules"
Or the ones where I tried to explain to Shawna why she paid? And how much I thought it sucked that CBER tends to discount good people who invest for more $$ and commitment and get crapped on in return because they weren't local?
The ones where Shawna completely changed the reason she hadn't placed a previous horse with Laurie, and then sends Laurie an email saying not just, oops my bad, I ignored the horse for 8 days and he's gone.. but went on to say she had never recieved an email from Laurie about the other horse even though Laurie has read reciepts and REPLIES from Shawna about it??
She in every email found a way to say Laurie was to blame... and every email she flip flopped some reason as to why she was to blame.
So what was wrong? She was willing to pay for him, have him shipped to Cali, geld him, fix his hernia, AND NOT RESELL HIM FOR PROFIT. When she found out about the MANDANTORY QT (you know when they were still lying about it being the State Vet, and per Shawna NO vet in WA would risk their license to give a helth cert to ANY horse that had come from ANY of the auction houses... :snort:)
Laurie agreed to do QT she just wasn't willing to pay Shawna for it at that point, because Shawna had been hostile towards her from the first email.
So I still say either she LIED (whether it was her idea or someone else's, she was not professional at all in this case) and if she didn't lie about Dusty, then she had to have left him on the lot for 8 days without checking on him..
We were there Michelle. We came to Sam's remember and saw Shawna face to face a week after Laurie paid for that horse and Shawna said "I haven't made up my mind yet" in a very hostile tone when she was asked politely, and not by me if Laurie was getting him.
Shawna can be pissed at me all she wants, but she treated Laurie like crap because ?? I still don't know.
We went from having another offer, to the horse had issues, to because she lived in CA and Shawna didn't want the horse going to CA, to Laurie never emailed her.. Then she got crap about sending money in for the horse.
Michelle I have spent years trying to smooth over crap for CBER. You know it because you did the same thing and it is frustrating as hell to have it mean nothing and to have to try to make excuses for why Shawna was being so nasty, especially to someone I know IRL who is a kind sweet person. Or to stand there and have her be rude to someone who works her ass off to feed horses no one else would take.
So can you tell us what really happened to Dusty?
That's not right. I saw some of the correspondence, and I don't blame Shawna for just checking out of the deal. Additionally, there has never been any HINT of a rumor about Shawna doing wrong by the horses. I don't know what it is with you two, but it isn't good, and it certainly isn't civil, and it really should be dead and buried for everyone's sakes.
I'm being very civil, just a question, and no I'm not saying she did anything wrong by the horses, maybe you need to read my post again.
I'm being very civil, just a question, and no I'm not saying she did anything wrong by the horses, maybe you need to read my post again.
Hi Tina
. I was referring to what has become a long running issue between Kathy and Shawna that doesn't benefit anyone, horse or human. Didn't think I was replying to anything from you. Hope things are good for you!mta, to Kathy: I saw hostility from all sides, and my point was that it doesn't benefit anyone. Apparently there is no end to this, and nothing w/ CBER is my responsibility at this point. I can't give you updates from a database that 1. I don't have access to, and 2. Kirsten destroyed.
I regret responding at all, but will say it takes two to fight.
So we have to read the same fight between you, Tock, and Shawna all over again? This same issue between you two was brought inappropriately to this board months ago.
Regardless of your beef with Shawna, I find it in poor taste to be bashing her here. If you have such animosity still, take it to PM or email where it belongs and you two work it out in private.
No offense to either of you, really, but enough of the bashing.
Em
Thats sad to hear there was a lot of info in the database, and I still need a bill of sale for my darling Dyna, but I doubt they left Dusty in the data base.
It didn't start off hostile from this side. I only emailed Shawna because Laurie didn't understand why Shawna was being so mean to her. I tried to explain to Shawna why Laurie sent in the money, how everytime she went to adopt a horse the rules were different and it was always said to be her fault, and a hey lets try to not do that again... especially after Sam said she could have him if Kay didn't mind, and Shawna said Kay had said OK.
She didn't "check out of it" She went against what Sam told me, and what Kay said was OK, and demanded that it be her decision alone.. So it's on her now that people are concerned where that baby ended up.
It's not like ANY of the horses that came to So Cal got a bad deal. They are all still here, healthy and happy except for Charity, and that was not for lack of care or commitment on Angi's part.
If I offended Shawna's ego or her need to be queen supreme that wasn't the intent, however it was frustrating and weird how she kept changing stories and reasons until it was obvious it was something she made personal.
If she had a beef with me, she should have kept Laurie out of it.
I know Laurie still occasionally looks at the site because she has asked me about a few of the horses, and emailed me the other day to ask what is wrong with it. But anytime I make noises about taking one... she backs off. There is no way she would want to deal with Shawna again.
