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Post by shadowstormwolf on May 21, 2008 20:00:40 GMT -5
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Post by shadowstormwolf on May 23, 2008 22:33:39 GMT -5
Lucky Finally made it home today at 3:30pm I was so excited when Carmen opened up the tack room on her trailer. I walked him upto my fenceline so my other slaughter bound horse, Las , could meet him. She instantly WANTED him with her RIGHT now. She had never shown any aggressive behaviour yet she started pushing at the fence trying to get passed my mom. She reared up once. So we got lucky in the yard and i walked around with them. Las seems to have adopted him ....she puts herself between me and him ...even swings her ass with INTENT , which she meets with a foot the wench!! Cant take him outta her sight or she has a flippin COW ( surprised my backyard aint crawlin with them now LOL ) She gets so mad at me when i go get him to feed him. Trail riding is gonna be fun now LOL pissy Las and a baby....which might end up being TWO babies since we think Las is prego...oh well it will give Lucky someone to play with. My 3yr old has already claimed Las's baby if she has one. Shawna took excellent care of my lil guy and he knows what the bucket is so getting him to eat is only as hard as catching him and bringing him upto the house...much to Las's displeasure. You can count on alot more pics to come and updates. Thank you again to everyone who made saving Lucky Badger possible. Jen, Las & Lucky   Hes Smiling...think hes happy to be home?  [a href="http://[del:shadowstormwolf]"]http://[del:shadowstormwolf][/a] |
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Post by michellep on Jun 12, 2008 15:02:51 GMT -5
Oh what a cutie he is! Love the picture of him with his little nose pressed to the glass and with his head in your lap. He is such a lucky little fella, who is going to be such a handsome boy. I look forward to his updates, and wish you so many more years of happiness with him. congratulations.
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Post by leosolis on Jun 13, 2008 2:11:23 GMT -5
Lucky Badger is no longer with this person..he is back at with me at The Lazy Spur...She will never set eyes on this colt again unless thru a picture. I am horrified at his condition... Lucky when he was here 18 days ago...notice the plump little butt...some muscle...still a little ribby but well on his way to being a little chunk  Lucky when Brody said goodbye  This is Lucky last night when I picked him up, his backbone sticks up so far its horrifying, I can feel every single bone in his neck, he is down in his pasterns & has ZERO muscle tone.   |
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Post by halfwayhome on Jun 13, 2008 12:24:16 GMT -5
What the H***! What was wrong with her? why wasn't he being fed properly? Thanks Leo for taking him back to save his life, I had sent money ( as I am sure others did) towards his care and this makes me pretty upset. Too bad you couldn't take that old mare that was so good to him too, she was a gem for taking on a strange foal to nurture even though she herself could not feed him.
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Post by Tockita on Jun 13, 2008 12:45:33 GMT -5
What about the 1/4 filly she got? I was concerned that she was making unnecessary orphans, it didn't sound like she needed to be "saved" just that it was a nicely bred filly she wanted and the new owner didn't really care.
I don't think people realize how hard it is to care for an orphan! or how many things can go wrong.
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Post by figi on Jun 13, 2008 13:08:16 GMT -5
It is my understanding that Leo has the mare too. There is more about this on the sos board. What the H***! What was wrong with her? why wasn't he being fed properly? Thanks Leo for taking him back to save his life, I had sent money ( as I am sure others did) towards his care and this makes me pretty upset. Too bad you couldn't take that old mare that was so good to him too, she was a gem for taking on a strange foal to nurture even though she herself could not feed him. |
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Post by agilitygal on Jun 13, 2008 13:26:24 GMT -5
Remember that she asked for a blanket for the little black filly because she was cold? I asked her if she had a barn with a stall. . .and. . .she said "no" just a walk in shed in the pasture but the little girl couldn't go in there. I wonder if she is still in good health or alive. . . She was a little doll.
Shadowstormwolf - You obviously love animals and they give you the "warm fuzzies". But, there is a high cost factor that comes along with them to insure they have adequate shelter, food, vet, and farrier care. I think maybe you are not at a point in your life where you can provide that to the degree that is needed. Please rethink what you are doing. Love them enough to let them go.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Jun 13, 2008 15:38:36 GMT -5
Seizures DO come from food...
that is especially true with formula fed babies...
even human.
If you water down the formula, the baby will eat huge amounts trying to get enough calories, and that dilutes the sodium in the blood, leading to seizures.
IT IS THE FIRST THING WE LOOK AT IN HUMAN INFANTS WHO PRESENT WITH SEIZURES!!!!!
AND THE CAUSE AND STORY ARE SHOCKINGLY SIMILAR TO YOURS.
The child is said to eat 'like a pig' (read here... I can't afford as much as this child needs to eat)
(and also see here that they are eating so much because it is NOT full strength!!!)
They are also on a surprisingly LONG schedule... like instead of a normal every 2-3 hours feeding, they eat every 5-6 hours (that is because they are exhausted from lack of food, and their brain is shutting down)
And, then... they have a seizure...
All I have to say, is that you should have CALLED THE VET TO COME EMERGENTLY when you see your foal having a seizure!!!!!!!!
and having the 'time' to call or IM Shawna, wait for arrangements then to ALLOW this sick foal to ship 200 miles to get help is absolutely disgusting. IT is SHAMEFUL.
I'm sorry, but this baby did NOT deserve this. He was doing well...
we offered you help, you disputed every offer of help and said you were short on money, but then you ripped a second foal from it's mother! with no money, you should NOT be raising foals. they are VERY expensive, and time consuming... VERY.
Get a hamster.
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Post by Tockita on Jun 13, 2008 17:12:48 GMT -5
I have to agree that the second foal sounded much like making an orphan then something needing to be rescued, but it's often easy for the young to be a bit cavalier because they do not see the full picture.
Raising a baby is HARD work and you can not scrimp on time, effort, or quality of feed. They aren't toys, and to make one on purpose unless as a last resort is selfish.
As fr the formula, my older daughter was a HOG. She was born hungry and was possibly a little colicy. (she would eat and then fuss 20 minutes later. You could not comfort her with water or a rocking chair, she wanted MORE food, and only the real deal would do.
She was taking 4 full 8 oz bottles a day at 3 1/2 months and the Dr did not agree with my mom about giving her cereal. He wanted me to dillute her formula, which I did and then she started taking 5 bottles a day! We contacted the Dr and I told him I refuse to dilute it any more and he agreed and she went on cereal.
She was a FAT baby.. she didn't crawl much, she rolled to things for a long time (and got really good at it) She finally walked (more like leaned forward and ran) at 14 months.. but you know she turned out fine. She's almost 22 y/o, 5' 7.5" and weighs 115 lbs.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Jun 13, 2008 17:29:56 GMT -5
Momma knows best Tock...
never EVER dilute formula.
If you need to give water (and only after they are taking solids!) give it as WATER, and let them take the necessary calories. It does not work to think they will take less of the 'expensive' formula if you add water.... they eat until they get the right calories in...
as for adding cereal, one good study showed that they actually slept less and ate the same total volume as when no cereal was added... interestly the mom's all thought they slept more and ate less tho!!! LOL!!! they believed what they wanted to believe.
mta: and your baby showed that they get rolly polly when they take in lots of food... and no seizures...
when babies take in lots of food, of proper strength, they do not get hyponatremic, they get fat. they don't seize... they get fat.
when they are said to eat 'a lot', and not frequently... and lose weight, then seize... diluted formula is the answer until proven otherwise.
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Post by Tockita on Jun 13, 2008 17:57:30 GMT -5
Momma knows best Tock... never EVER dilute formula. LOL in this case it was Grandma knows best because I went along with him for a week. It was almost 22 years ago... and it was the Dr that said to dilute it 6oz w/2 oz water, because she was getting fat and was too young for cereal. Grandma poo poo'd that and said she started one of my brothers on cereal at 2 weeks! (the one that turned out 6'2" and weighed 140 lbs after being a blimp baby. It's amazing how much advice changes from generation to generation.. Things changed even from my 2 oldest, to my baby and that was just 6 & 8 years! hehehehehe It's amazing we ever had a child live to adulthood to hear folks talk today.  Sleep on tummy, sleep on side, sleep on back.. and on and on. Katie would not drink water even for hiccups! She knew it was just a ploy to keep food from her. Same with the rocking chair... she would only sit with me if she was on my lap facing forward. Cuddling her and rocking was a go to sleep trick and she wasn't buying it! |
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Post by leosolis on Jun 14, 2008 1:54:07 GMT -5
Jenny/stormshadow whatever you want to call yourself....
There were plenty of people you could of asked for help, or could of asked for money to have cash in hand when the vet came....btw...WTF did you do to his neck? Did he get kicked? did you pull on his tiny head to fricken hard, he was halter broke when he left here, Brody could lead him...
Be glad I hugged you, because what I really wanted to do was knock the sh*t out of you, I couldn't get away from you fast enough...I was so relieved that Kelli was in the truck asleep and not outside to see him, because I would of been pulling her off of you. I drove to the rest area you originally were at, pulled off, crawled in the trailer with Lucky & bawled..the colt you said had behavior issues just kept his nose in my face...I can't even begin to imagine how betrayed he must of felt with you...He is already looking better, and guess what...NO HEART MURMUR...so he doesn't need heart surgery...OH...and no blood transfusion either...was a pretty simple fix actually...its called FOOD. You have no fricken side to tell..I wouldn't even wish a hamster on her, she would feed it to her fricken snake.
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Post by mkgbuegel on Jun 14, 2008 9:55:52 GMT -5
Babies this young, simply do not have behavior problems, they just have owners that don't know what they are doing and inadvertently teach them all the wrong things. Happens way to often.
I'm glad hes with you now, poor little guy.
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Post by calypso on Jun 15, 2008 1:55:30 GMT -5
Making an orphan(s)
An unusual presentation of Munchausen syndrome by proxy?
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Post by Tockita on Jun 15, 2008 9:48:36 GMT -5
I think babies are cute, and people have a romantic notion about raising one and underestimate how many things can go wrong.
I think this is a case of someone who started out to do a good thing with not enough knowledge or resources and thought it was easy so she did it again and then was over her head.
She should have mentioned he was loosing weight and could have gotten some great advice, but then again some times WE are less then nice if we see a horse in less then perfect condition and some people are afraid to speak up after they see that.
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Post by Tockita on Jun 15, 2008 9:53:50 GMT -5
Now that I'm looking at some of the pics again I wonder if she maybe anorexic, and has a distorted perception of thin and fat.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Jun 15, 2008 13:49:35 GMT -5
no excuse.
she had a foal that was failing and fast, and she didn't do the right thing.
and she still has another foal there,
god bless that little "woman made" orphan foal...
I think it has a very very slim chance.
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Post by icehorse on Jun 15, 2008 15:06:37 GMT -5
I agree with pnp, there is no excuse. If that other filly needs a home, I will gladly offer and it can run around with my friesian filly(unless big momma does not accept it-we've got plenty of separate pens). How much do you want and can someone offer safe transport down to CA? I'm not throwing any accusations, just want a safe home for that baby. How old is it now?
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Post by agilitygal on Jun 15, 2008 19:45:28 GMT -5
I've never had an orphan foal. From those of you who have raised one, could you please give me an estimate of the cost (if all goes well) until it gets big enough to eat hay and pasture. Do the young ones get shots like puppies?
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Post by pnp4kidz on Jun 15, 2008 21:17:09 GMT -5
yes, they get shots like puppies, at 6, 8, and 10 mo of age,
and the biggest expense right now is food. Foal Lac costs a LOT.
Kid milk replacer is WAY the wrong stuff, and you can't use it, so you don't have a lot of choices...
you can use Goat's milk... mixed with foal lac...
the Goat's milk is like $5 to 10 per gallon, and a foal eats about 3 gallons of food a day.
foal lac costs $75 for 25 lb I think, and you mix 1 cup powder to 3 cups water... so use a lot of that a day... I am trying to remember, but even mixing goat's and Foal lac (we have a neighbor with a goat dairy, VERY lucky!) we used 25 lb of foal lac in just about 2 weeks I think... mixing half and half...
does that help?
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Post by nic on Jun 15, 2008 22:03:18 GMT -5
I wonder if Jen was setting his food out for him when she fed Yasu instead of feeding him seperately and Yasu was stealing it. On an earlier post she jokes about Yasu stealing his food. Not and excuse but one of many reasons that could have led to this. I saw Yasu the other day and she is quite the round girl now and not very nice to Lucky really. He is a bit beat up. Anyway........
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Post by icehorse on Jun 15, 2008 23:44:14 GMT -5
I thought the same thing-other horse stealing the food. She will not sell the foal to me. Let's all pray that now that there's some attention to this situation, that everything ends up ok.
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Post by leosolis on Jun 16, 2008 0:54:53 GMT -5
I thought the same thing-other horse stealing the food. She will not sell the foal to me. Let's all pray that now that there's some attention to this situation, that everything ends up ok. That is sad, she has no business owning that filly at this point. I don't think that yasu stole luckys food, I think that she was just to lazy to pay attention & feed him correctly. When he first got here he drank his milk like it may get taken away at any minute..yasu also didn't have any kind of milk on or around her face when I picked her up... |
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Post by pnp4kidz on Jun 16, 2008 1:15:39 GMT -5
a baby who gets too little food just fails to thrive...
they only seize if they are getting too much water INSTEAD of food...
that reduces the total blood sodium and causes seizure...
if the other horse drank his buckets... he'd have only lost weight... assuming she made sure he got SOME food...
but no excuse. You make sure a baby eats his food.
they come RIGHt away when you feed... and suck down the whole bucket in no time flat, literally just a minute or two...
so it's not like she'd have to spend any time with him...
you have to make special accomodations to raise an orphan foal...
she just didn't.
and it shows...
and luckily she didn't kill him.
I'm still worried about the filly... and very sorry she didn't let Cynthia have her...
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