Banned from CBER

[lorsadoon]

Well, it finally happened. I have been banned from the CBER board. All because I mentioned that Jeff had thrown a cat out of a car and killed it. Helen wanted some proof so it was provided it via a newspaper article from the Yakima Herald Republic. Sam thinks old news should not be brought up and rehashed. Let bygones be bygones. I say, those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.

What ever....that is how they show their appreciation to an adopter who has taken two of their horses. Spent hundreds of dollars in donations and on top of that found homes for Morph, Mindy and Mandy. All horses who had the threat of auction hanging over their heads. What did they do, not a d**n thing.
Well, we all know I am not alone. I am sorry Sams mom is ill, but as far as I am concerned, Sam is nothing but a leech, sucking the blood out of all she can attach herself too.

[Tockita]

Didn't we all do the horrible Jeff stuff months ago?

Was he back working for CBER?

If not then, why bring it back up on their board?

[gratefulknits]

Because Sam posted that she had gone to the prison where he currently "resides". She says she wants to start a prison horse-training project so that "our beloved Jeff" can keep working with horses and so he'll have something waiting for him when he gets out. Other people posted on the thread that he shouldn't be brought back in to the rescue because of potential contact with children, and from there it pretty much went into whitewash mode.

[pikzeedust]

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!!!!!!

[michellep]

The way that i read it I thought it was meant as a joke....Could be wrong, didnt give it much thought. Have a great holiday everyone, enjoy the turkey

[jenm]

Nov 26, 2008 8:23:21 GMT -5 lorsadoon said:

Well, it finally happened. I have been banned from the CBER board.

That is because they only allow topics that include hearts and flowers to be discussed on that board. Reality checks are not welcome nor is constructive criticism or suggestions for improvement.

It's unfortunate you were banned, but that's the reality of that board.

[michelle]

Nov 26, 2008 10:12:47 GMT -5 gratefulknits said:

Because Sam posted that she had gone to the prison where he currently "resides". She says she wants to start a prison horse-training project so that "our beloved Jeff" can keep working with horses and so he'll have something waiting for him when he gets out. Other people posted on the thread that he shouldn't be brought back in to the rescue because of potential contact with children, and from there it pretty much went into whitewash mode.

No one w/cber wants to accept the reality, Sam's version is so much easier to swallow. They keep saying it was just a couple of teenagers, just a few years apart, caught in a legal technicality. The truth of it is he was convicted of 1st degree child molestation. Washington State RCW define 1st degree as a child under the age of 12 years.

And yes, she was there visiting Jeff, and not for the first time. I cannot fathom how any woman could pursue an intimate relationship with a child molester/animal killer/ violent felon. Apparently love isn't only blind, it is stupid as well. I think the situation says a lot about priorities, and just how low things have gotten. I miss Heidi.

[quatzie]

Well, I think your better off. The farther from CBER board the more respect for SOS Board. As, far as I am concerned, you have to put the children first and for most when you have families that adopt horses from your property.
It just makes common sense to me. Why would anyone not want to protect the children is beyond me.

[penny/pals]

no jeff is not back with CBER and I think it would be great if Sam could start up some Prison training program. There are others that are very successful. These type of programs help the horses that have no where else to go because they are problem horses or untrained and help the inmates learn a skill. And from what I read Sam never said Jeff would work for CBER again. Don't assume anything. I am a member of many boards and support many. But I think there is a point when if you don't agree with a board that you stop going to that board. Just my opinion

[penny/pals]

[TashGaia]

Nov 26, 2008 8:23:21 GMT -5 lorsadoon said:

as far as I am concerned, Sam is nothing but a leech, sucking the blood out of all she can attach herself too.

Well it might already be a moot point since there is an official investigation going on now. You can only do so many illegal and unethical things before the right folks start to take notice... and it surely doesn't help when your own people are working against you!

The future should be very interesting... In the mean time, I hope everyone has a happy Thanksgiving for all of you, your families, and your horses! I know that *I* for one, don't want to ruin my holiday with thoughts of CBER.

[frr2]

"official"... Finally???

[lorsadoon]

Nov 26, 2008 9:31:38 GMT -5 Tockita said:

Didn't we all do the horrible Jeff stuff months ago?

Was he back working for CBER?

If not then, why bring it back up on their board?

Because the thought of having an animal abuser be a part of a training program made me want to scream. As it should anyone with an ounce of common sense.

Why bring it up. Because they asked for proof, so I gave it to them. They do not want the new CBERites to know the real truth.

And "beloved" is not the term I would use for a comvicted child molester, animal abuser and batterer.


Yes, everyone have a good day tomorrow. I will be thankful for my family who will all be at my place. My healthy horses, dogs, cats and my daughters rats.(I think that covers us all)

[Tockita]

Ok so that makes sense to mention it if there was a thread where she was talking she is talking about having him back.

I think you do have to be careful with kids, and animals... but I also feel it does do good to have inmates work with animals.. but that usually takes place inside the prison.

I miss Heidi too! She knew so much about the horses and would pass on bits without actually revealing names.

[rescuestoribbons]

I think that the people on CBER do care about kids, they obviously do if they keep me there and are all REALLY nice to me. I think that if you dont agree with the board dont go on it. VERY simple. You can tell when people are trying to just make trouble because if they really wanted a question answered they would just PM someone and ask for their question to be answered and not cause all this drama. People that go and post this like that want something bad to happen.
So if you dont like CBER dont go on the board and create problems over there. Its ok to disagree with people but it how you deal with it that makes or breaks it.[a href="http://[del:rescuestoribbons]"]http://[del:rescuestoribbons][/a]

[TashGaia]

I think the problem here is that there are a lot of folks here who deeply care about horses and they know that CBER is horribly betraying some of the horses they are sworn to save... these folks feel that they are compelled to speak for the horses who cannot speak for themselves. They cannot comprehend why anyone chooses to support CBER in light of the fact that they repeatedly betray horses and defraud the very donors who support them.

Rescuestoribbons... if you were aware of a situation where horses were being exploited and betrayed and sometimes even killed... would you simply close your eyes? Would you advocate that others do so?

I think this is how folks who speak out about CBER feel.

But you see... this is exactly what I did NOT want to do today. Today is supposed to be about celebrating the things that we are thankful for - a time for family and togetherness. The most difficult thing that I want to think about today is deciding if I want apple or pumpkin pie.

[acarlson1980]

ooohh. tash i totally agree. some people will never get it.

but i was more on the line of sweet potatoe pie. my fav.

happy thanksgiving everyone. ;D

[pikzeedust]

I think the whole thread started out as a joke...........Then, it snowballed into a huge issue and now it's got everyone going.

[Tockita]

Nov 27, 2008 13:35:03 GMT -5 TashGaia said:

The most difficult thing that I want to think about today is deciding if I want apple or pumpkin pie.

We have Pumpkin, Pecan, and Lemon Meringue.. I was going to make apple too but someone ate too many of the apples. My son is visiting this week and when I discovered only a few apples left he shrugged and said "Apples are good." LOL and he's a genius.

Which will be proceeded by Turkey, and the trimmings (except cranberry sauce.. blech! I did buy the genius some olive though, and stuffing just in case someone likes eating meat flavored soggy bread)

Ebo is coming to pick up Handsome today, and I hope she and Hubby will eat before they head back. His foot has been slowly getting worse and Angi arranged for the best ever farrier (Jamie) and our new best friend (though he may start to wish he had never met us) Dr B to do a bit of surgery on an ex bucking stock horse.

Handsomes dad (and Eve) have done great with what was once a very frightened horse. At first it was just Dad and Angi that could touch him, but he stood with a very sore foot and let Jamie trim his fronts sans even a halter on tuesday, and Dr B sedated him so they could hopefully fix his foot once and for all! It is scrubbed clean and wrapped. In a month they are all meeting at Jamie's to fill it once it has healed a bit.

So I am thankful to GOD not only for my family, friends, health, and wealth, but also for all the good people I meet along the way because of the beasties who are a great gift themselves.

P.S. Blossom went home to her dad, and Cordie is back playing in the herd. Happy and friendly. Agape is healthy Happy and going nicely under saddle. Dyna is 2 blocks over with Symphony and the babies, so whatever they did/do that I do not agree with, I still can't say I am sorry they existed either.

I will add Sam's mom and family to my prayers today, as well as Bob and Chatty.

I wish you all a happy day, filled with love (2 and 4 legged)

Kathy

[rescuestoribbons]

Nov 27, 2008 13:35:03 GMT -5 TashGaia said:

I think the problem here is that there are a lot of folks here who deeply care about horses and they know that CBER is horribly betraying some of the horses they are sworn to save... these folks feel that they are compelled to speak for the horses who cannot speak for themselves. They cannot comprehend why anyone chooses to support CBER in light of the fact that they repeatedly betray horses and defraud the very donors who support them.

Rescuestoribbons... if you were aware of a situation where horses were being exploited and betrayed and sometimes even killed... would you simply close your eyes? Would you advocate that others do so?

I think this is how folks who speak out about CBER feel.

But you see... this is exactly what I did NOT want to do today. Today is supposed to be about celebrating the things that we are thankful for - a time for family and togetherness. The most difficult thing that I want to think about today is deciding if I want apple or pumpkin pie.

I guess the thing for me is that I have only had good experiences with them, I got two GREAT horses from them. I know that people dont agree with them but how many rescues out there do you think people dont agree with?? I dont think that it was right that Jeff was there but as soon as they found out he was gone, what Sam does in her own time has nothing to do with the rescue itself. If he came back (which he is not) that would be a different story. I think that if people dont like it, they can talk about it else where and that is totally fine but there are also a lot of dedicated people on there trying to save horses and it doesnt feel great when people come over there and tell us what we are doing is wrong.
My thanksgiving was great spent time with cousins and all eat LOTS of pie ;D[a href="http://[del:rescuestoribbons]"]http://[del:rescuestoribbons][/a]

[penny/pals]

That's funny, 2 posts that Bejoyful and I wrote were deleted. It seems that although you can attack one person here you can't look in your own back yard at people who you have stood by that have been convicted of cruelty to animals. Tash and Acarlson you were very supportive of Dean and would go to her facilities. Although I like Dean I don't see one post about her conviction of several counts of animal cruelty on this board and it was very recent.

[Tockita]

I don't know who deleted what, I usually refrain from deleting or editing any posts but my own.

Dean has entered her plea and is taking her punishment, and seeking help. She will hopefully follow the conditions set and move forward from this.

I commend those who helped her and the horses during this period. What harm was there in assisting her to care for the horses? I think it is great.

There is no question in my mind that Dean's motivation was to help horses.

[penny/pals]

I don't have a problem with someone helping a person to rehome or take care of a horse that needs it, but the denial about the problem and the neglect that these horses faced despite the rescuers that saw these animals regularly in a poor condition without saying something or getting the animal control involved. When I went over an saw Dean she was in the middle of cleaning up so I didn't know how terrible it was. However those who went there regularly should have said something.

[Admin]

I will be happy to post more AFTER the case is closed. I have nothing to hide Penny. Never have.

I HAVE NEVER SENT A HORSE TO AUCTION OR SLAUGHTER.
CBER HAS AND DOES.

[leosolis]

I have to say Jeff is in jail...Dean is not....Jeff abused not only animals but children as well. I am not supportive of anyone convicted of child molesting being allowed to do much more than look out there cell window. I have never been to PEC, I have on the other hand actually met Jeff, Sam who knew about his past actually brought him to my son's birthday party & tried to get me to hire him. I almost did, but when he was hired to take care of my horses for a week & left the same day I did...never coming back...never calling me to let me know that he had left rescue horses in 100 degree heat with no feed or water...left Granny with bee's infested in her chest & just walked away...Well I will NEVER give him a second chance. I was very very lucky to have a boarder that I had asked to keep an eye on things, the horses missed one meal before as my husband says "the badger came out of the hole" and all hell broke loose. So support Sam & Jeff all you want.....I personally refuse to be supportive of someone who has been convicted of animal abuse & child molestation. How Sam can defend him is beyond me, she was the first phone call I made when I found out Jeff had left to go hang out with her instead of caring for my place like he was already PAID to do. Sam knew d**n well he wasn't where he was supposed to be, but nobody seemed to care. Like I said THANK GOD I always have more than one person watching or camera's on so not much gets by me at my place.

I also don't recall Dean ever hauling any horses back to Chuck to swap out for another more marketable horse to sell.... I am not saying that Dean hasn't made mistakes, because she absolutely has, but I do believe most of her mistakes her made because her heart wasn't listening to her limitations. Not because she was trying to make a buck on someone.

IMO you can't compare Dean & Jeff

[TashGaia]

Penny, I don't think you know nearly as much as you think you do. I had only been to PEC one single time ever prior to Dean being charged... as a matter of fact the day that I went out there AC came out and were laughing and joking with her and when I asked them why there were there they said that it was "just the same old busybodies" and that when someone calls they have to come out even though it was crap. That was right before Sam had folks jump a fence and do a site check and that check said the horses were in fine condition despite the mud. The fact of the matter is that I went over there and helped when Dean was in the hospital and later, but by then the charges had already been filed and stuff was in the works. I did and still would do anything in my power to help horses and I can tell you this... I don't for one second regret helping the PEC horses but I sure as heck regret my past involvement and support of CBER. To me the two are like comparing apples and oranges. Dean tried to help horses... too many horses, true, but she was trying to help. That has not been the case with CBER. CBER has repeatedly sent horses who had homes to go to back to slaughter. How can you forgive that, justify that, excuse that? I ask you that Penny, you STILL support CBER and yet I know you have been told of the horses they have killed... how can you personally excuse a rescue for sending horses back to slaughter? I cannot comprehend a world in which that is acceptable.

[Tockita]

Well don't look at my place right now because it rained and we have mud and water EVERYWHERE!

Of course being So Cal and the desert it will all be gone in a week, but short of taking down a bunch of pens and renting a tractor for 2 days,(there is a 4 foot sand dune up against the back fence so the yard does not drain) We just accept that there are going to be muddy days. We move horses out of the worst pens and in a few days they can go back. Even my old yard got a lake when it rained and if I didn't keep the drainage trenches open it would get pretty big. I don't know what I would do if it rained here like it does there...

[lorsadoon]

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I don't have a problem with someone helping a person to rehome or take care of a horse that needs it, but the denial about the problem and the neglect that these horses faced despite the rescuers that saw these animals regularly in a poor condition without saying something or getting the animal control involved. When I went over an saw Dean she was in the middle of cleaning up so I didn't know how terrible it was. However those who went there regularly should have said something.
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Since I am sure Penny did not add this signature line to her profile, I would think someone with admin powers did this. Too me this is juvenille and only makes the people who have the power to do this look foolish.

We have all been there as CBER supporters at one point or another. If she knows the truth and still supports them, I sincerely hope she will be able to live with herself and the realization she has enabled Sam to make a boatload of money off of the horses she proclaims to help. The end for me came when they killed two horses I paid to be saved. Rest in Peace Lavender and Meadow, possibly Antigua too.

I am aware of Deans legal situation. And quite frankly I hope she is punished. I think the reason this board is so quite anymore is because of this.

I am thankful for the people who tried to save the horses that she had in her care.

I am and have always been here for the horses. Period.

Nov 29, 2008 19:08:20 GMT -5 Admin said:

I will be happy to post more AFTER the case is closed. I have nothing to hide Penny. Never have.

And one of the things my grandma taught me is to never say "NEVER".

[TashGaia]

Just as an FYI, it probably doesn't look good that I specifically was asking Penny how she could still support CBER and now you are saying her signature line has been changed... but I did not have anything to do with that and hadn't even seen it. Point of fact is that I don't even see people's signature lines (or avatars) as I have turned that option off in my profile when I got tired of the big banners that certain folks had for their signature lines.

[lorsadoon]

I do agree that you can not compare Dean and Sam. I wish Dean would come here and say, "I screwed up. I did not see what I was doing to the animals in my care. I need help and am going to get it."
That takes strength to admit when you are wrong and you want to change.

I am fairly certain Sam sees no problem with one single thing she is doing.

If you lie to cover up the truth about what you are doing, you KNOW you are doing something wrong. That is why you lie.