"INSIDE REVIEWS"

[Kirsten]

Well....I feel its important that Shelley and whomever else knows the "inside scoop" of lovely Ms Karan and what she says about her "friends." She is extremely two-faced...bitches to me about Shelley...than turns around and bitches to Shelley about me. And I guarantee she does this with every volunteer.....

(And no, this is not the story I have to tell...that is for another thread.....)

This thread will feature lovely written emails from Karan....mainly complaining about Shelley.

She calls Shelley "psycho", "bi-polar", "cheater" and much more..,,take a look Shelley and see what your number #1 Volunteer THINKS OF YOU. Perhaps you shouldn't get drunk and open your mouth and spill all your secrets to Karan.

[Kirsten]

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE:
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:04:38 -0700

I guess Bethany is writing them and ya know it was Shelleys meeting... The only thing I was allowed to say was send us the application or tell us its in when she insisted the apps go to her... Yesterday she freaked out cause Jonna put Karas app up Its all about her as usual... I hope her husband busted her over the weekend Her trolling site mail went to her email box with him

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/welcome.html

[Kirsten]

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: FW: Flapper
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:31:39 -0700

I know she is mental and in a drug induced coma 24/7 but why is she such a controlling BEOOOOOTCH???

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/welcome.html



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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Flapper
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:15:34 -0700

Kara sent it to her when we were at the meeting so she posted it.. Just being helpful as Jonna always is..If they are staff they can post and no way to control that Just post that all apps need to be sent to the apps director... Per meeting results. Sam is working on the app link on the website K

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/welcome.html



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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:09:47 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Flapper
To: [e-mail]

thanks Karan...... I had the joy of reading the stuff they put on the board about this.... Please do me a fav. What the heck is Jonna doing putting apps on the board? Can you make starting a thread in there a director only thing?



Application Director Columbia Basin Equine Rescue
www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org
Life is better with a horse.


--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Karan Kees <[e-mail]> wrote:

From: Karan Kees <[e-mail]>
Subject: Flapper
To: [e-mail], [e-mail], "Sam" <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 8:04 AM


Good Morning; We have a home offer for Flapper with an approved adopter Ive messaged her that the funds Gina donated to save her need to be covered for Sundances board!!

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/welcome.html

[Kirsten]

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE:
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:11:23 -0700

We really dont like her believe me she is a controlling drug addict that snaps and has a poor me thing going.... I only had to deal w/ her from 1pm till 8 am and it was too long!!!

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/welcome.html



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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE:
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:05:44 -0400

oh k

shes gotta know that no matter when...your bound to get caught sometime.



Kirsten Janz
CBER Placement Specialist

cbequinerescue.proboards53.com/index.cgi




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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE:
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:04:38 -0700

I guess Bethany is writing them and ya know it was Shelleys meeting... The only thing I was allowed to say was send us the application or tell us its in when she insisted the apps go to her... Yesterday she freaked out cause Jonna put Karas app up Its all about her as usual... I hope her husband busted her over the weekend Her trolling site mail went to her email box with him

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/welcome.html

[Kirsten]

More to follow.........

[kellyd]

Jan 4, 2009 16:03:01 GMT -5 Kirsten said:

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE:
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:11:23 -0700

We really dont like her believe me she is a controlling drug addict that snaps and has a poor me thing going.... I only had to deal w/ her from 1pm till 8 am and it was too long!!!

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/welcome.html



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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE:
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:05:44 -0400

oh k

shes gotta know that no matter when...your bound to get caught sometime.



Kirsten Janz
CBER Placement Specialist

cbequinerescue.proboards53.com/index.cgi




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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE:
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:04:38 -0700

I guess Bethany is writing them and ya know it was Shelleys meeting... The only thing I was allowed to say was send us the application or tell us its in when she insisted the apps go to her... Yesterday she freaked out cause Jonna put Karas app up Its all about her as usual... I hope her husband busted her over the weekend Her trolling site mail went to her email box with him

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/welcome.html

Is karan calling Shelley 'a controling drug addict'?

[baadass]

removed

[Kirsten]

Karan is not very good with the english language...it is often hard to understand her...well one thing she is good at is offensive language but that's about it...

(Shelley has an issue with meeting men online...and I think in this email from Karan she is stating that somehow one of her email addy's went to the wrong email box?? and her husband may have found out.)

[Kirsten]

RE: ooopppsssþ
From: Karan Kees ([e-mail])
Sent: November 11, 2008 1:44:14 PM
To: [e-mail]; Columbia Basin Equine Rescue ([e-mail])

She was looped on her meds last night so she is hung over .... She needs to let us know who has an application in as the truck is tomorrow night for lot 2

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER





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To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ooopppsss
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:32:47 -0500
From: [e-mail]

urrgghhhh!! She is a bane in my side... There's just those people who you have to keep up in prayer... mostly about MY OWN attitude... God is testing...lol
funny thing is, people like her are so self righteous they don't realize how irritating they really are; then when someone finally snaps, they play the victim.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kirsten Janz <[e-mail]>
To: Jonna <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 9:16 am
Subject: RE: ooopppsss


ha ha...karan said its her time of the month so WATCH OUT!!!

dont let her get to you!



Kirsten Janz
CBER Placement Specialist

cbequinerescue.proboards53.com/index.cgi


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To: [e-mail]
Subject: ooopppsss
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:15:12 -0500
From: [e-mail]

didn't mean to stir someone's control pot...

come on!! freako's application has been sitting on hold for two months!!!

her note/my response....

Jonna,
If you have a question about an application ask me. These applications are being worked on. When and if there is completion of the application they will be moved.
Thanks
Shelley

I understand. I just knew this person flaked and flew off the handle from the note I posted. It seemed like it had been sitting there taking up space knowing that this person was looking for a free horse, and freaky to boot...
not trying to do your work... just irritated with someone who didn't work out..
I will make referrences in private in the future.

[kellyd]

Jan 4, 2009 20:33:12 GMT -5 Kirsten said:

RE: ooopppsssþ
From: Karan Kees ([e-mail])
Sent: November 11, 2008 1:44:14 PM
To: [e-mail]; Columbia Basin Equine Rescue ([e-mail])

She was looped on her meds last night so she is hung over .... She needs to let us know who has an application in as the truck is tomorrow night for lot 2

Karan Kees
CBER Placement Specialist
web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER





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To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ooopppsss
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:32:47 -0500
From: [e-mail]

urrgghhhh!! She is a bane in my side... There's just those people who you have to keep up in prayer... mostly about MY OWN attitude... God is testing...lol
funny thing is, people like her are so self righteous they don't realize how irritating they really are; then when someone finally snaps, they play the victim.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kirsten Janz <[e-mail]>
To: Jonna McGinnis <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 9:16 am
Subject: RE: ooopppsss


ha ha...karan said its her time of the month so WATCH OUT!!!

dont let her get to you!



Kirsten Janz
CBER Placement Specialist

cbequinerescue.proboards53.com/index.cgi


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To: [e-mail]
Subject: ooopppsss
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:15:12 -0500
From: [e-mail]

didn't mean to stir someone's control pot...

come on!! freako's application has been sitting on hold for two months!!!

her note/my response....

Jonna,
If you have a question about an application ask me. These applications are being worked on. When and if there is completion of the application they will be moved.
Thanks
Shelley

I understand. I just knew this person flaked and flew off the handle from the note I posted. It seemed like it had been sitting there taking up space knowing that this person was looking for a free horse, and freaky to boot...
not trying to do your work... just irritated with someone who didn't work out..
I will make referrences in private in the future.

Who is 'reinflame'?
Never mind...I see that it is Jonna

[Kirsten]

MSN MESSAGES:
DATE TIME FROM MSG
11/11/2008 12:02:51 PM Kirsten: hows your computer
11/11/2008 12:02:58 PM Karan: better
11/11/2008 12:03:19 PM Karan: shelley is on the rag be careful be very careful!!!
11/11/2008 12:03:25 PM Kirsten: oh god
11/11/2008 12:03:26 PM Karan: LOL!
11/11/2008 12:03:47 PM Karan: god that woman is mental

DATE TIME FROM MSG
11/11/2008 1:41:24 PM Karan: sam has no internet stui;ll
11/11/2008 1:41:39 PM Karan: she will be back in a bit
11/11/2008 1:41:54 PM Karan: she is driving lady back to hotel
11/11/2008 1:44:20 PM Karan: fuckin shelley
11/11/2008 2:02:45 PM Karan: whitpirate has an app on squeek!!
11/11/2008 2:03:55 PM Kirsten: oh good
11/11/2008 2:04:01 PM Kirsten: i gotta go to class
11/11/2008 2:04:14 PM Karan: k Ill go feed and hurry
11/11/2008 2:05:01 PM Kirsten: k will be back in about an hour and half....
11/11/2008 2:05:06 PM Kirsten: bye
11/11/2008 2:05:17 PM Karan: k me too
11/11/2008 2:05:22 PM Karan: bye bye

DATE TIME FROM MSG
11/11/2008 3:47:40 PM Karan: Jazzy is taking Phoenix!!!!! Sam had me steer her to her as Shelley is crappy back up IUll be back in a hour and I think we are OK on the other three!!!!
11/11/2008 7:45:44 PM Karan: Ok now Pip needs a home
11/11/2008 7:45:45 PM Karan: grrr
11/11/2008 7:46:04 PM Karan: Shelley is out of cell min YEAH!!!!
11/11/2008 7:46:09 PM Karan: LOL!
11/11/2008 7:46:13 PM Kirsten: lol
11/11/2008 7:46:20 PM Kirsten: good
11/11/2008 7:46:29 PM Karan: Now she cant call me to whine
11/11/2008 7:46:57 PM Kirsten: yepp

DATE TIME FROM MSG
11/24/2008 2:34:50 PM Kirsten: did u see my note earlier? i sent lipnkids app to shelley but dont know if she got it or not??
11/24/2008 2:35:05 PM Karan: Melis is doing it
11/24/2008 2:35:31 PM Karan: Shelley is going out of town
11/24/2008 2:35:54 PM Karan: and her man is taking her cell away
11/24/2008 2:36:47 PM Kirsten: lol
11/24/2008 2:37:19 PM Karan: she will be a basket case
11/24/2008 2:37:48 PM Kirsten: sucks to be her
11/24/2008 2:37:51 PM Kirsten: thats what you get
11/24/2008 2:37:52 PM Kirsten: though
11/24/2008 2:37:56 PM Kirsten: sorry!
11/24/2008 2:41:42 PM Karan: hehehe Well guess what?
11/24/2008 2:41:49 PM Kirsten: ??
11/24/2008 2:41:54 PM Karan: She is going to be President
11/24/2008 2:42:02 PM Kirsten: shelley?
11/24/2008 2:42:16 PM Karan: yep
11/24/2008 2:42:19 PM Kirsten: i quit
11/24/2008 2:42:42 PM Karan: Sam is doing the horses
11/24/2008 2:42:50 PM Kirsten: oh my god that is the WORSE decision
11/24/2008 2:42:51 PM Karan: shelley is just the drama
11/24/2008 2:42:58 PM Kirsten: are you serious
11/24/2008 2:43:06 PM Karan: yep
11/24/2008 2:43:33 PM Karan: Sam wants to step down and I cant cause of my past
11/24/2008 2:43:45 PM Karan: they would chew me up

11/24/2008 4:22:02 PM Kirsten: k thanks!
11/24/2008 4:22:22 PM Karan: painteer
11/24/2008 4:22:27 PM Karan: one e
11/24/2008 4:24:05 PM Karan: u rock
11/24/2008 4:24:18 PM Karan: must keep the pres happy
11/24/2008 4:24:25 PM Karan: hehe
11/24/2008 4:24:47 PM Kirsten: yep
11/24/2008 4:25:03 PM Karan: she isnt that bad once you see the reason
11/24/2008 4:25:06 PM Kirsten: i know im most likely missing some from June
11/24/2008 4:25:15 PM Karan: you could do a study on her
11/24/2008 4:25:27 PM Karan: for school
11/24/2008 4:25:29 PM Kirsten: my list goes back to november 07
11/24/2008 4:25:32 PM Kirsten: hahaha yeah
11/24/2008 4:25:35 PM Kirsten: i could.....
11/24/2008 4:26:06 PM Karan: classic abused womanbperscription drug user
11/24/2008 4:26:16 PM Kirsten: loll brb
11/24/2008 4:43:46 PM Karan: k done

[Kirsten]

A fav of mine:

11/24/2008 4:26:06 PM Karan: classic abused womanbperscription drug user

[posie]

Jan 4, 2009 21:03:15 GMT -5 Kirsten said:

MSN MESSAGES:
DATE TIME FROM MSG
11/11/2008 12:02:51 PM Kirsten: hows your computer
11/11/2008 12:02:58 PM Karan: better
11/11/2008 12:03:19 PM Karan: shelley is on the rag be careful be very careful!!!
11/11/2008 12:03:25 PM Kirsten: oh god
11/11/2008 12:03:26 PM Karan: LOL!
11/11/2008 12:03:47 PM Karan: god that woman is mental

DATE TIME FROM MSG
11/11/2008 1:41:24 PM Karan: sam has no internet stui;ll
11/11/2008 1:41:39 PM Karan: she will be back in a bit
11/11/2008 1:41:54 PM Karan: she is driving lady back to hotel
11/11/2008 1:44:20 PM Karan: fuckin shelley
11/11/2008 2:02:45 PM Karan: whitpirate has an app on squeek!!
11/11/2008 2:03:55 PM Kirsten: oh good
11/11/2008 2:04:01 PM Kirsten: i gotta go to class
11/11/2008 2:04:14 PM Karan: k Ill go feed and hurry
11/11/2008 2:05:01 PM Kirsten: k will be back in about an hour and half....
11/11/2008 2:05:06 PM Kirsten: bye
11/11/2008 2:05:17 PM Karan: k me too
11/11/2008 2:05:22 PM Karan: bye bye

DATE TIME FROM MSG
11/11/2008 3:47:40 PM Karan: Jazzy is taking Phoenix!!!!! Sam had me steer her to her as Shelley is crappy back up IUll be back in a hour and I think we are OK on the other three!!!!
11/11/2008 7:45:44 PM Karan: Ok now Pip needs a home
11/11/2008 7:45:45 PM Karan: grrr
11/11/2008 7:46:04 PM Karan: Shelley is out of cell min YEAH!!!!
11/11/2008 7:46:09 PM Karan: LOL!
11/11/2008 7:46:13 PM Kirsten: lol
11/11/2008 7:46:20 PM Kirsten: good
11/11/2008 7:46:29 PM Karan: Now she cant call me to whine
11/11/2008 7:46:57 PM Kirsten: yepp

DATE TIME FROM MSG
11/24/2008 2:34:50 PM Kirsten: did u see my note earlier? i sent lipnkids app to shelley but dont know if she got it or not??
11/24/2008 2:35:05 PM Karan: Melis is doing it
11/24/2008 2:35:31 PM Karan: Shelley is going out of town
11/24/2008 2:35:54 PM Karan: and her man is taking her cell away
11/24/2008 2:36:47 PM Kirsten: lol
11/24/2008 2:37:19 PM Karan: she will be a basket case
11/24/2008 2:37:48 PM Kirsten: sucks to be her
11/24/2008 2:37:51 PM Kirsten: thats what you get
11/24/2008 2:37:52 PM Kirsten: though
11/24/2008 2:37:56 PM Kirsten: sorry!
11/24/2008 2:41:42 PM Karan: hehehe Well guess what?
11/24/2008 2:41:49 PM Kirsten: ??
11/24/2008 2:41:54 PM Karan: She is going to be President
11/24/2008 2:42:02 PM Kirsten: shelley?
11/24/2008 2:42:16 PM Karan: yep
11/24/2008 2:42:19 PM Kirsten: i quit
11/24/2008 2:42:42 PM Karan: Sam is doing the horses
11/24/2008 2:42:50 PM Kirsten: oh my god that is the WORSE decision
11/24/2008 2:42:51 PM Karan: shelley is just the drama
11/24/2008 2:42:58 PM Kirsten: are you serious
11/24/2008 2:43:06 PM Karan: yep
11/24/2008 2:43:33 PM Karan: Sam wants to step down and I cant cause of my past
11/24/2008 2:43:45 PM Karan: they would chew me up

11/24/2008 4:22:02 PM Kirsten: k thanks!
11/24/2008 4:22:22 PM Karan: painteer
11/24/2008 4:22:27 PM Karan: one e
11/24/2008 4:24:05 PM Karan: u rock
11/24/2008 4:24:18 PM Karan: must keep the pres happy
11/24/2008 4:24:25 PM Karan: hehe
11/24/2008 4:24:47 PM Kirsten: yep
11/24/2008 4:25:03 PM Karan: she isnt that bad once you see the reason
11/24/2008 4:25:06 PM Kirsten: i know im most likely missing some from June
11/24/2008 4:25:15 PM Karan: you could do a study on her
11/24/2008 4:25:27 PM Karan: for school
11/24/2008 4:25:29 PM Kirsten: my list goes back to november 07
11/24/2008 4:25:32 PM Kirsten: hahaha yeah
11/24/2008 4:25:35 PM Kirsten: i could.....
11/24/2008 4:26:06 PM Karan: classic abused womanbperscription drug user
11/24/2008 4:26:16 PM Kirsten: loll brb
11/24/2008 4:43:46 PM Karan: k done

The above conversation is kind of difficult to follow. Is this a representation of the full conversation or are some of the responses missing? An example is on 11/24 at 4:22:22 there are 5 responses from Karan that appear not to make any sense as a stand alone conversation.

[lurker]

Kirsten....don't you think this is a bit over the top? We get it...you don't like CBER and you don't like Karan. Enough already.

[TashGaia]

Yes, we knew that Kirsten didn't like CBER. But we didn't know that Karan and Sam didn't respect Shelley. Or that the current President-in-name apparently has mental and substance problems as reported by her current #1 volunteer. It is possibly important to know information such as this about a person who is supposedly in charge of other people's donated money and the welfare of so many horses.

[lurker]

I doubt it very much. Seems this attempt to inform others has turned into another personal rant.

edit:

Besides, it has already been pointed out that Shelley has no official standing within CBER. So, tell me again why her problems matter?

[lurker]

Good judgment isn't very popular over here is it.

[Kirsten]

Jan 5, 2009 14:18:54 GMT -5 lurker said:

Kirsten....don't you think this is a bit over the top? We get it...you don't like CBER and you don't like Karan. Enough already.

I honestly respect what you are saying....and somewhat understand....yes to some it may seem a "bit over the top", and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just feel its important that people see and realize what kind of person Karan is. And what kind of people are representing CBER.

As it has been said before, if you don't like what I post...then I guess don't read my posts!

[Kirsten]

Posie~sometimes when we talked on msn one of us wouldn't be around to answer, so often a few messages would be sent without the other one responding.

In regards to your example...we had been going thru a list of horses and their adopters...I was trying to complete my list of horses to adopters...so that is why one response was painteer...i didn't add the entire convo as it was simply me asking the horse and karan responding with the adopters name. hope this makes sense...if you or anyone wishes i can email the entire convos via email.

Thanks.

[icehorse]

I agree. We all realize now that Cber isn't quite what we thought it was. Disappointing and I know I for one feel betrayed (after adopting 3 old lame horses-one a "sporthorse prospect-lame on 3 legs...$4K plus later just in adoption fees and qt) But airing out personal messages is just as betraying-I know I wouldn't want things I wrote to people posted that I thought were private. And this whole sending horses back to slaughter after people have paid for them is wrong-beyond wrong. It's too bad that most of the current cber members are just teenagers that don't know better yet. At least we have this board and the SOS board for members that are still taking care of their cber horses and still looking out for horses in need. There are so many out there.
So it looks like cber's adoption fees have dropped a bit...that's good. Let's move on (that is, if they stop sending back Paid for horses-or any horses for that matter-on the truck) I'm sick of reading about it. Just throwing out my opinion. The only solution I can see is just outright adopt the horse-that way you know where your money is going and you know where the horse is going.

[tireddog]

I will add a bit of levity to the topic. Apparently I might be the devil ...

Remember the thread you started on the CBER board called "Devil's Advocate," Kirsten? Remember the outrageous, ridiculous suggestion I made that perhaps slaughter should be legal everywhere and in an apocalyptic situation we would eat our own horses? I think you (as well as many others, perhaps only one did not have the insight to know where I was going with this statement) saw where I was going with this - considering all the possibilities and the most horrendous of all simply to really debate the topic and bring all opinions out in the open. Yes, there was one person's opinion who I was truly trying to bring out. Well, now that I have voiced my change of heart regarding CBER (which apparently I am not allowed to do), I just might be the devil. I wonder how my 11 CBER horses and three other rescue horses would feel about being fed by, doted on, groomed by, and otherwise worshipped by the devil?

So watch out, those of you who are coming to the camp-out in July. You just might meet the devil. And she doesn't wear Prada. She sports Carhartt's (children's size 16 in case anyone wants to bring presents, and yes, they make them in pink), a pink cowboy hat, and braids. My horns fit nicely under my hat.

[icehorse]

Ha! I 've never met you, but from reading your posts, your website and just looking at your picture, you've got to be one of the sweetest things walking on 2 legs!

Hopefully I'll get to make the campout-if hubby let's me outta the house-- and get to meet you.

I've taken 7 off the lot and helped a few others get "bailed"...try not to take anything people are saying personally-your horses are thankful for you

[tireddog]

Miss Ice, I desperately hope I meet you this summer! I have been counting on you coming, you know. Maybe with my devil super powers I can will hubby to come, too. There will be other men, you know, and he might just have a great time! Is there anything with which I might coerce him?

Don't worry ... I'm not taking it personally. I understand where this person is coming from and have spent time apologizing for upsetting her so much by making the suggestions I made on that thread. A person can only do so much to please everyone, and that is not my job. But still, I do try to keep things light and happy, although maybe that is part of what kept me in the dark for so long.

Thank you for writing what you wrote. It made me smile. I am pretty far from the devil, although you know there is balance to everything. For all my moments of nice, there are just as many not-so-nice.

Still feeling for sprouting buds on my forehead ...

PS: I do not want to alter the path of this thread, Kirsten, but just thought I would add my humor so we could all laugh, take a deep breath, and find a place to restart. I do not want to hijack your thread!

[rodeo51]

I see CBER has shut down there board for all to see. You can only read whats going on by signing in.....good job CBER....that will bring alot of people.

The only thing is't going to do is really make people wonder what your hiding. Smart move!

[TashGaia]

Well, Jackie according to Sam the CBER board has been closed due to the "attacks threats and smear tatics against our personal lives". Apparently if you want to join you are now supposed to email Karan or Shelley and request permission to join their board prior to actually doing it... how new people would know this or get their email addresses is apparently a mystery. However, this may be a short lived restriction since various members of their board have already posted protests against it stating that this policy only hurts the horses by alienating potential adopters.

LOL, remember all those old meetings where Sam so hated having bulletin boards at all and was constantly trying to shut them all down? Oh, this brings back old memories.

[rodeo51]

I thought Sam wasn't the Pres any longer or part of the BOD?

[TashGaia]

Apparently she is still the decision maker?

You know... I am on a bunch of boards and I cannot find a single place where anyone has ever made any threat or anything like that to anyone in CBER's personal life. But I guess she had to make up some reason and saying because they just don't like questions probably wouldn't be good PR.

Funny that she can close the board against the specific wishes of the BOD when Sam supposedly doesn't have any rank within CBER anymore... it doesn't look like she even *asked* them their opinion. Just goes to the argument that the BOD and new Pres are just a facade meant to appease the public and without any real authority or power.

"Pay no attention to that (wo)man behind the curtain!" I guess she is still the wizard behind the scenes after all.

[emjay]

pretty apparent that things are 'awash' when they hide up the board. my my, when will the drama and saga end. Should be a tv movie

[icehorse]

ok I retract part of what I said-about dropping the subject. I thought about it, and we do need a group of people talking about the facts so more innocent people do not fall into the trap. (like the whole Trina Kenney thing). But just the facts so it is easy for a newcomer to understand.

[mickeyfan3]

Jan 5, 2009 15:56:15 GMT -5 rodeo51 said:

I see CBER has shut down there board for all to see. You can only read whats going on by signing in.....good job CBER....that will bring alot of people.

The only thing is't going to do is really make people wonder what your hiding. Smart move!

That's because Karan could only pull the "we're in mourning for Sam's mom" excuse & shut down threads for so long as an excuse for not being concerned about Kay taking horses to auction and not wanting to find Ying Yangs whereabouts. She probaby shipped and they woudln't want to admit THAT!