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Post by Maverick~Zora on Feb 27, 2009 11:49:02 GMT -5
Now they are trying to compare current pricing to old pricing to show it is less now, however new cber folks do not realize that S used to routinely add much more than the so called $150 fee to horses if she thought she could get it. There was also no "QT" fee or hauling fee that upped the mandatory charge for the horse above the listed price as they do now. They use Zesty from 2006 for an example. I pulled the original price sheet from Chuck, which I still have, for that little horse and he priced it to cber at $325...it was then priced out at $525 to the public! that shows a $200 addition to a little horse that needed handling! halfwayhome, you mean my Zesty?
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Post by halfwayhome on Feb 27, 2009 12:53:42 GMT -5
Zesty- little red horse, big looking trot, 2006
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Feb 27, 2009 19:06:14 GMT -5
That's the one.
Did you know she was in foal, about 8 months along.
Hytyme picked her up after QT & transporting some other horses that day. They had to stop at the lot to meet with Sam.
Sam had told Hytyme that Zesty was wild off the reservation, went to auction, she & 8 others from the reservation were bought by one man who knew a trainer at the track. He took all 9 to this trainer, then dumped them on the trainer, then the trainer took them to the lot. The trainer talked to Sam about Zesty but said the other 8 would be to much for most people.
Do you know anything about this?
Anyway both mare & filly & my 3 other CBER horses are doing just fine with me down here in CA.
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 12, 2009 0:14:27 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me what this document shows? 'Cause to me it looks like the driver wasn't working until 4pm... which supports my claim that when we happened by at 9am there was no truck. However since Karan is currently quoting me and calling me a liar on the other board, then surely I am misreading this document... which is surely possible as I have never seen a document of this nature before.
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Post by chatty on Apr 12, 2009 1:47:21 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me what this document shows? 'Cause to me it looks like the driver wasn't working until 4pm... which supports my claim that when we happened by at 9am there was no truck. However since Karan is currently quoting me and calling me a liar on the other board, then surely I am misreading this document... which is surely possible as I have never seen a document of this nature before. OK, Bob has broke this down for you..He was a trucker, so he knows... Date Name of driver Address of driver How to handle the load Time off dutie.......4 PM arrival/5 PM left Driving........Standwood, Ext 2?2...9 PM arrival/10 PM left horses Here We Go: Trucker must turn this in to employer after run..One to employer, one remains in truck... ........Trucker works for feedlot....(illigal to have otherwise) TLC--Horses: means just that...... Bob wanted to know why he was running from BC (from) to Standwood.... Hope this helps... chatty
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 12, 2009 1:59:08 GMT -5
Chatty, so does that mean the trucker:
-4pm arrived at the lot -4pm to 5pm had horses loading into his truck -5pm left the lot -9pm arrived at Stanwood
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Post by chatty on Apr 12, 2009 2:10:24 GMT -5
Chatty, so does that mean the trucker: -4pm arrived at the lot -4pm to 5pm had horses loading into his truck -5pm left the lot -9pm arrived at Stanwood Yes, tashgaia
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 12, 2009 2:38:21 GMT -5
So then... I'm failing to see how that paper proves either Jackie or I a liar when we say that the truck was not there around 9am when we were there. Who is the bay pinto here? Jazzygirl asked why the pinto wasn't listed and Karan said that it was... and that apparently it was with the batch of horses that was listed on 2/28/09... which would make me question the validity of this photo as showing anything to do with 2/21/09 even though it is posted as part of the "proof" of events of 2/21.
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 12, 2009 9:46:12 GMT -5
Thanks for breaking that driver sheet down for me. And enlarging it. I was having a hard time figuring it out.
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Post by chatty on Apr 12, 2009 10:46:13 GMT -5
Bob's says this log should not be on the web...As the employer and trucker are the only people that needs it...
But a bill of laden would have pick up time, cargo (number, brake down color and so on), to and from.....
Also if CBER is not the trucker's employer or the owner of cargo they need not have either one of these.....
chatty
P.S. DOT would not be happy campers on this one..
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Post by nic on Apr 12, 2009 11:26:27 GMT -5
So then... I'm failing to see how that paper proves either Jackie or I a liar when we say that the truck was not there around 9am when we were there. Who is the bay pinto here? Jazzygirl asked why the pinto wasn't listed and Karan said that it was... and that apparently it was with the batch of horses that was listed on 2/28/09... which would make me question the validity of this photo as showing anything to do with 2/21/09 even though it is posted as part of the "proof" of events of 2/21. Patches was the last pinto I remember being listed. I don't remember this one listed at all.
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Post by carolyn on Apr 12, 2009 21:45:31 GMT -5
chatty is correct on this log sheet, the only ones to have it are the trucking company and a copy stay's in the truck. if you look at the bottom: From----to----- it has it listed form BC to S?? also on the top it should be:
DATE name of trucking co main office address home terminal address driver name/ co driver name
left corner: miles driving today truck and Trailer #
bottom left: B/L manifest or shipper & commodity
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Post by barbpurple on Apr 12, 2009 22:04:36 GMT -5
ok i got to chime in..yes this is a driver log-a record of what the driver does per day (driving,p/u-dropping loads,resting etc) but what is not rite is the fact the driver start to say he was at somewhere at 5am ,,,then change he mind-crossing that out and putting in new time..that is totaly illeagal..most drivers do not have two sets of logs but that can be possible..again illegal...but yes missing many peices of infor. as a truck driver myself (in the past) my duties were to keep the log book up to date..my question is this//how in the devil did you get this? get it from the driver or from the co whom he/she works for? so what is really the question here?
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 12, 2009 22:27:50 GMT -5
The place on the bottom of this log sheet which chatty thought said BC, I think says ThC. I see the same style two other places on the tag. Once where the time line is at 5pm and again on the top where it says .?.... Terminal Address. So what is ThC at 5pm at 370 Walen Rd? Is that when he left Chucks? And then arrived at Stanwood, Exit 212 at 9pm. Who originally posted this as evidence? Plus if I had to guess, I think the date at the top of 2/21/09 has been tampered with. The day portion looks much darker than the rest of the writing. The driver, Rick Daton? looks like he has "no owner" listed on the Name of Carrier line, but does have an address of Box 415 Beverly, WA 99321 on the Main...?...Address.
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Post by chatty on Apr 12, 2009 23:02:26 GMT -5
Log book page, check copy, but no manifess....They went over board.... As I stated on the other board, they shouldn't be posting these thing on the internet..... And yes asked them to remove and they did....Hope this will be the last time paper work is waved around on that web.... ................chatty
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Post by rodeo51 on Apr 12, 2009 23:17:19 GMT -5
I think they should be posting them. It does a great job in proving they don't know what there talking about! It also proves that Tash and I were not lying.
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 13, 2009 0:53:29 GMT -5
Wonder of wonders... the CBER thread has disappeared.
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 13, 2009 6:34:29 GMT -5
I do not understand why this should not be posted. It is just the drivers daily journal. Most of the information on it should be easily available by looking at the drivers door.
I can see why no ones check should be published though.
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Post by rodeo51 on Apr 13, 2009 9:06:42 GMT -5
Wonder of wonders... the CBER thread has disappeared. I am not surprized
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Post by chatty on Apr 13, 2009 11:22:35 GMT -5
If CBER is not the trucking company and not the driver, they shouldn't have these documents..... There for they shouldn't have posted or e-mailed them....With permission,(as they say) wouldn't put my ass (trucker) in a jam over this...
SO, who's in the wrong??...Both CBER and trucker (and/ or) his employer....
Don't go off half cocked to prove something...........
chatty
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Post by shireluver on Apr 13, 2009 12:23:33 GMT -5
Not really up on everythign this discussion is about, but I just wanted to point out that anybody can walk into a truck stop and buy a log book. They don't really mean anything in means of proof unless you are at a scale or turning in your paperwork to your employer.
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Post by sherry on Apr 13, 2009 12:32:07 GMT -5
Not really up on everythign this discussion is about, but I just wanted to point out that anybody can walk into a truck stop and buy a log book. They don't really mean anything in means of proof unless you are at a scale or turning in your paperwork to your employer. Not only that, but it wasn't even a canceled check, it was a carbon of a check, which doesn't prove anything. I can write a check for a million dollars payable to CBEr and post it as proof, but it doesn't mean I was naive enough to donate to them.
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Post by sassiedogtk on Apr 13, 2009 17:01:14 GMT -5
My husband is a truck driver we are self employed and if this was a legit log book there is alot of info missing that should not be. Just my imput.
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Post by jenm on Apr 13, 2009 17:35:38 GMT -5
Plus if I had to guess, I think the date at the top of 2/21/09 has been tampered with. The day portion looks much darker than the rest of the writing. Good observation. Also, if you look at the "2" in the day portion, it does not follow the same pattern as the other "2"s on the form. The bottom curves down, whereas the others are flat or go up a bit.
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Post by rodeo51 on Apr 13, 2009 17:42:23 GMT -5
Good job Jenn. Your right....all the two's are the same except for that one. Looks to me like someone played with that log entry.
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Post by luvmypaints on Apr 13, 2009 20:11:42 GMT -5
I've been a trucker for 30 yrs. and there is some stuff missing and the company definately wouldn't want to get audited by the DOT with driver logs looking like this, but it still shows the guys HOS,(hours of service) and thats what they really watch! The lines show that the driver was Off Duty until 4:00 PM, he was then ON Duty,Not Driving between 4-5 PM at Toppenish Livestock Center,ie; Chucks lot. From there he left Chucks @ 5:00 PM and drove to Stanwood,arriving at 9:00PM, in which he shows an hour of On Duty-Not Driving which I assume was unloading time from 9:00-10:00 PM. For some reason he shows his home terminal as TLC, which is Chucks lot, maybe because thats where he started his day??? Hope that helps explain the log sheet...Oh one other thing, I always staple my original log sheet to my bill of lading paperwork and turn it in to my boss so if this driver works for Chuck that is probably why Chuck ended up with this copy, and then gave it to Sam so if thats the case no wrong was done by sharing it, however I'd be pissed if someone posted a copy of my check!
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Post by halfwayhome on Apr 13, 2009 21:33:48 GMT -5
Since when is Chucks lot named the Toppenish Livestock Center? I thought that was the name of the local saleyard.
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Post by jenm on Apr 14, 2009 0:09:59 GMT -5
Since when is Chucks lot named the Toppenish Livestock Center? I thought that was the name of the local saleyard. I couldn't find anything about a Toppenish Livestock Center, all I found was the Toppenish Livestock Commission. You are right, since when is Chuck's place called TLC? Toppenish Livestock Commission 301 N 1st St Sunnyside, WA 98944 Also, the Toppenish LC is NOT located at 370 Walen Road, NOR is the feedlot formerly known as Gary Seals. WTF?
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 14, 2009 7:29:36 GMT -5
So what is located at 370 Walen Road, does anyone know?
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Post by luvmypaints on Apr 14, 2009 7:53:46 GMT -5
Since when is Chucks lot named the Toppenish Livestock Center? I thought that was the name of the local saleyard. I couldn't find anything about a Toppenish Livestock Center, all I found was the Toppenish Livestock Commission. You are right, since when is Chuck's place called TLC? Toppenish Livestock Commission 301 N 1st St Sunnyside, WA 98944 Also, the Toppenish LC is NOT located at 370 Walen Road, NOR is the feedlot formerly known as Gary Seals. WTF? I stand corrected TLC is the Toppenish Livestock Center but I do believe that Chucks lot is located on Walen Rd., it's a frontage road located off of I-82. Either way I was only trying to explain the log page nothing more
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