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Post by rodeo51 on Feb 23, 2009 22:33:01 GMT -5
I wanted to let you know some information about the CBER feedlot that I observed on Sat Feb 21st personally. I am doing this because I felt that Karan was posting misleading information that disturbed me. I would personally like to know the truth. I would really like to know if Sam was at the lot on Sat per Karans posts on the CBER board. I was on my way over to the Open House for SOS Sat morning with Tash. We drove by the lot and decided to pull in and see what was going on because I hadn't been there before. When we were there between 9am and 9:30am. There was no one around. No Sam, no Truck, no Chuck and the horses that were there were calmly eating hay. I would think if a truck had just been there as Karen said it was, the horses would have seemed unsettled from all the movement of tagging and loading. I would have to say that there were approx 35 to 40 horses there and they were all calm. I did notice a cute paint and a lovely buckskin. If Sam was crying over the lost horses at 8:46 am and pulling horses at the lot at 9:05 am (per Karans posts)...there should have been a truck there and Chuck should have been around. The driveway was empty and no truck or trailer parked next to the shoots. We also never saw Sams truck and trailer heading back to Yakama or a Semi full of horses on the highway. We were there for about 20 minutes looking at the horses...you would have thought we would have seen someone or something. Again, I would like the truth about this...because it's very disturbing to me! Modified to correct spelling
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Post by halfwayhome on Feb 23, 2009 22:46:17 GMT -5
I do not know about this time, but do know that in the past I caught "discrepancies", shall we say, in this very thing, Having observed in the past, after I left, a so called truck day and time when it was not happening ( because I drove by there) as she said or in the time frame she said. I also know that way back in the past she would tell people she was at the lot when she wasn't. For example, one time I was standing in her house talking to her and she was telling someone on the phone she was at the lot etc, and when I asked her about it she said, " how would they know where I am? I can tell them whatever I want"...
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Post by rodeo51 on Feb 23, 2009 22:47:00 GMT -5
One more thing I would like to mention. Chucks stock trailer was pulled up in front of the shoots. It would have been tough for a semi to load horses with the trailer parked like that.
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Post by TashGaia on Feb 23, 2009 22:53:38 GMT -5
We got there around 9am and stayed for about 20-30 minutes. There was no one there and there were no horses pulled into a waiting pen or already tagged. There was no truck and the whole place was peaceful and the horses were drowsily eating, not all stirred up and anxious. When we came back by later in the afternoon there was still no activity although Chuck was driving on a side street on his ATV as we passed. It appeared as though the same amount of horses were still there as had been there in the morning. Heidi, I know exactly what you mean. She did that a lot... an awful lot. It is just particularly sad this time as there was a last minute attempt to save one of the horses and people on the CBER board were told that it was too late. All that heartache and manipulation to their own supporters is inexcusable... poor people, poor horses. www.columbiabasinequinerescue.info/samcryingatlot.gif
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Post by michelle on Feb 24, 2009 0:22:38 GMT -5
All those people that said everything was in the past, this is the new cber, yadda yadda. Again, same old dog, same old tricks. The one mix-up where it was said a horse shipped (I think it was Sophie) when she actually hadn't was another time Sam said she was "at the lot", when in fact she hadn't even been there. The manipulation this time was so blatant, and so disturbing. I mean come on, "Sam is at the lot crying and saying goodbye to all the horses " ...Really. She wasn't even there when this was being posted! How sadistic is that. Everyone complaining, donors and you volunteers, about the horses shipping because of the high fees, WHY NOT ask Sam to not collect her kick-backs? That could shave hundreds off the price of some of them, and save their lives and have a little mercy on the donors as well.
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Post by jenm on Feb 24, 2009 15:07:17 GMT -5
Thanks for going public with this information ladies.
Apparently Sam and her (paid?) sidekick needed to run one of their famous "let's pretend to lose some horses so we can drum up sympathy funds" scenarios.
No doubt Sam was still at home in her bunny slippers sipping tea when Karan posted she was at the lot "crying and saying goodbye to the horses".
Shameless. I feel sorry for the people who believed this as no doubt they were quite upset by this.
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Post by emjay on Feb 24, 2009 15:30:28 GMT -5
so what becomes of the horses supposedly lost to the truck then. Do they relist them later with different names, or do they sell them at auction.
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Post by lorsadoon on Feb 24, 2009 17:49:32 GMT -5
I am sure they would not be relisted with new names. There are to many people who pay close attention to the horses that are listed. If these were not gathering any interest from the board, she probably decided to cycle them out and bring in another batch.
The dramatization of her crying at the lot while saying goodbye to the horses almost made me want to gag. We know that story all to well.
And of course it is the fault of all the people who hijacked the last boards. Maybe they should stop and think that there are too many people who know the routine they play. Many have wised up. And now it seems that even if the horse has had its bail, QT and all fees paid you still need to pay $300 to go get it at Sams. Oh Lordy, Sam may have to go get a job one of these days instead of living off the life and death of the feedlot horses.
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Post by pikzeedust on Feb 24, 2009 20:37:50 GMT -5
All I can say is nothing was posted as to which horses shipped until Sunday morning at 7:51am. It was kind of strange because everyone was frantic to see which horses got shipped and which were saved but no one was able to get any information until Sunday morning. It was a very sad outcome.
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Post by gsdmom on Feb 24, 2009 22:10:39 GMT -5
On their new board the horses that were "lost" were posted on Saturday morning. I don't know when the web site was updated. The horses were moved to Memory about 11:00 MST. I was so hoping that a buyer would come through for Patches. I will never support CBER again, but it still hurts when horses are lost. I hope they went to another auction. When I picked up hay on Saturday I was pleased to find it for less per bale and lots on the lot. The owner said that too many people are getting rid of their horses and his sales are way down. More and more horses will be lost and there is nothing I can do and it breaks my heart over and over. It is hard to comprehend how people can just turn their backs on these beautiful animals.
Kathy
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Post by rodeo51 on Feb 24, 2009 23:31:07 GMT -5
Pikzeedust...Karan posted Sat morning at 9:05am which horses were being pulled when she said she was on the phone with Sam at the lot. She said Sam was pulling Scotty, Ambrose, & Gizmo and that the rest were lost. I didn't see anyone at the lot on Sat morning at that time.
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Post by halfwayhome on Feb 25, 2009 12:29:11 GMT -5
Now they are trying to compare current pricing to old pricing to show it is less now, however new cber folks do not realize that S used to routinely add much more than the so called $150 fee to horses if she thought she could get it. There was also no "QT" fee or hauling fee that upped the mandatory charge for the horse above the listed price as they do now. They use Zesty from 2006 for an example. I pulled the original price sheet from Chuck, which I still have, for that little horse and he priced it to cber at $325...it was then priced out at $525 to the public! that shows a $200 addition to a little horse that needed handling!
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Post by Kirsten on Feb 25, 2009 12:42:57 GMT -5
I wanted to let you know some information about the CBER feedlot that I observed on Sat Feb 21st personally. I am doing this because I felt that Karan was posting misleading information that disturbed me. I would personally like to know the truth. I would really like to know if Sam was at the lot on Sat per Karans posts on the CBER board. I was on my way over to the Open House for SOS Sat morning with Tash. We drove by the lot and decided to pull in and see what was going on because I hadn't been there before. When we were there between 9am and 9:30am. There was no one around. No Sam, no Truck, no Chuck and the horses that were there were calmly eating hay. I would think if a truck had just been there as Karen said it was, the horses would have seemed unsettled from all the movement of tagging and loading. I would have to say that there were approx 35 to 40 horses there and they were all calm. I did notice a cute paint and a lovely buckskin. If Sam was crying over the lost horses at 8:46 am and pulling horses at the lot at 9:05 am (per Karans posts)...there should have been a truck there and Chuck should have been around. The driveway was empty and no truck or trailer parked next to the shoots. We also never saw Sams truck and trailer heading back to Yakama or a Semi full of horses on the highway. We were there for about 20 minutes looking at the horses...you would have thought we would have seen someone or something. Again, I would like the truth about this...because it's very disturbing to me! Modified to correct spelling How am I NOT surprised. Just another game Sam/Karan has learned to play.
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Post by michelle on Feb 25, 2009 13:51:57 GMT -5
How am I NOT surprised. Just another game Sam/Karan has learned to play. Imo, seems like they are experienced players of this game. Now they are saying that the QT fee has never changed since inacting it. Really. Those of you around longer than their current supporters/volunteers know the history, and maybe remember the stunt pulled on Mulesrule. QT was doubled by Sam. Doubled. Some people had horses there at the time at the "old rate", and by the time they picked up their horses, owed twice the amount that they thought they had agreed to. Several months after doubling the qt, the proprietor of Camelot Farms decided that she should receive the doubled amount ($300 per month) not only for QT horses, but for healthy sponsored horses as well, some of which were in a free pasture. Others were in group pens....at $300/month each. Large donations came in for vet care, etc for these horses too. So was this a simple "mis-statement" by Karan? Seeing as she wasn't around since "qt" was mandated, one would assume that she got her info from Sam. Interesting tactic, seeing as all their supporters but for one or two are new. Screen-shot of Karan's post, in the event it should *poof* as quickly as the donations coming in. www.columbiabasinequinerescue.info/qtfib.gif
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Post by michelle on Feb 25, 2009 13:58:48 GMT -5
Now they are trying to compare current pricing to old pricing to show it is less now, however new cber folks do not realize that S used to routinely add much more than the so called $150 fee to horses if she thought she could get it. There was also no "QT" fee or hauling fee that upped the mandatory charge for the horse above the listed price as they do now. They use Zesty from 2006 for an example. I pulled the original price sheet from Chuck, which I still have, for that little horse and he priced it to cber at $325...it was then priced out at $525 to the public! that shows a $200 addition to a little horse that needed handling! Wouldn't it be interesting if we compared notes, Heidi? I have all the emails Sam ever sent me with the horses/prices to list on the website. You have some of the price lists from Chuck. I bet we could find some that have even more than $200 added to the price.
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Post by kellyd on Feb 25, 2009 14:25:13 GMT -5
Now they are trying to compare current pricing to old pricing to show it is less now, however new cber folks do not realize that S used to routinely add much more than the so called $150 fee to horses if she thought she could get it. There was also no "QT" fee or hauling fee that upped the mandatory charge for the horse above the listed price as they do now. They use Zesty from 2006 for an example. I pulled the original price sheet from Chuck, which I still have, for that little horse and he priced it to cber at $325...it was then priced out at $525 to the public! that shows a $200 addition to a little horse that needed handling! Wouldn't it be interesting if we compared notes, Heidi? I have all the emails Sam ever sent me with the horses/prices to list on the website. You have some of the price lists from Chuck. I bet we could find some that have even more than $200 added to the price. Please be sure to share your info with everybody!!!! Should be interesting, to say the least.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Feb 25, 2009 14:28:59 GMT -5
I agree - they probably just rotated horses. If a truck didn't come the "lost" horses are probably still there......
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Post by beckybee on Feb 25, 2009 14:33:31 GMT -5
They have the board locked down now - I didn't finish reading!
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Post by rodeo51 on Feb 25, 2009 14:48:04 GMT -5
They have the board locked down now - I didn't finish reading! All thats going to do is make people think they are hiding something.
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Post by kellyd on Feb 25, 2009 15:48:59 GMT -5
They have the board locked down now That means that karan/admins are reading this & know we are on to them (again). That also means that other cber-ites are reading this too.
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Post by rodeo51 on Feb 25, 2009 18:24:51 GMT -5
This is my response to Dianes post on the CBEr board - First off Karan posted at 8:46am that Sam was crying tears over the horses, then she posted at 9:05am that she was on the phone with Sam at the lot and Sam was pulling horses. Karan didn't post that Sam was leaving the lot..she was talking about Sam pulling 3 horses and saying the rest were lost. So....I wonder how long it takes one person to catch 3 horses in the lot, halter them, and put each one in the trailer. I saw no one at the lot when I was there. Secondly.....How come if Sam was only able to pull 3 horses and the rest were lost Tash and I didn't see Patches at the lot. I saw a black & white paint, but I didn't see a brown and white paint. Heck, I didn't even know a truck was coming when I was there cause I hadn't paid attention to the CBER site...so I wasn't really looking for any specific horse...but I always notice the ones with nice color first, like the black & white paint and the buckskin. There were about 35 to 4o horses there and they wern't tagged. Thirdly.....Tash and I left Shawna's about 3:30pm because we had a long drive home. I am thinking we passed the lot at about 4:15 or 4:30pm. You can see the lot from the highway quite nicely. It sits right next to and a little below the highway. maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=&sll=46.418763,-120.280659&sspn=0.007677,0.019312&ie=UTF8&ll=46.4238,-120.335891&spn=0.001919,0.004828&t=h&z=18 We did not observe any truck parked out in front and we didn't see any tagged horses. The amount of the horses looked to be about the same as we saw in the morning. Tash did see Chuck riding his ATV on a sidestreet as we drove by. post moditfied because I didn't want to cross post...
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Post by gsdmom on Feb 25, 2009 18:37:32 GMT -5
Terryn's price was $725.00. I know for a fact that she sold at Hermiston for $200.00 Forever ( the beautiful TB Tryphaena) was given to Chuck for $150.00 with the understanding that she would not be saved. Yes, that's right. Her "owner" brought her to the lot and said ship her to slaughter. The FOB's paid over $1,000.00 for her including QT. Sam tried to get another month QT from Sarah, but we knew it had already been paid. I sure hope Patches made it somewhere safe. At least it sounds like there is a little hope for him.
Kathy
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Post by lorsadoon on Feb 25, 2009 18:54:06 GMT -5
Terryn's price was $725.00. I know for a fact that she sold at Hermiston for $200.00 Forever ( the beautiful TB Tryphaena) was given to Chuck for $150.00 with the understanding that she would not be saved. Yes, that's right. Her "owner" brought her to the lot and said ship her to slaughter. The FOB's paid over $1,000.00 for her including QT. Sam tried to get another month QT from Sarah, but we knew it had already been paid. I sure hope Patches made it somewhere safe. At least it sounds like there is a little hope for him. Kathy That is what a few of the new cberites fail to understand. Some people actually pay Chuck to take their horses. And alot of these horses were dirt cheap at auction. Then you get the story of how Chuck sets the price. What a bunch of crap. The price is set by looking at the horse and seeing what the people are willing to pay. If it was set by the pound I would not of paid more for my little arab than I did for my gianormus bucking mare who is part draft.
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Post by gsdmom on Feb 25, 2009 21:00:34 GMT -5
Forever was given to a girl by Richard Wright. Supposedly a friend of the family. Some friend. She was going to use her for 4H. Wellllll... she must have let her sit somewhere and then decided she needed to disappear for good. The tatoo told us everything we needed to know. I was always going to let her trainer know what really happened to her, but didn't have the heart to pursue it after we lost her.
Kathy
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Post by jenm on Feb 26, 2009 14:39:30 GMT -5
I agree - they probably just rotated horses. If a truck didn't come the "lost" horses are probably still there...... I think I agree with you on this one.
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Post by jenm on Feb 26, 2009 14:40:11 GMT -5
They have the board locked down now - I didn't finish reading! All thats going to do is make people think they are hiding something. Hiding something?! No way, would they really do that?!
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Post by horsesrkewl on Feb 26, 2009 16:55:11 GMT -5
What??? cber lie? cber hide horses??? cber cheat??? cber do under handed things in general??? Huh??? Never, not in my rainbows, unicorns, fluffy puppies, and purple pony world.
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Post by beckybee on Feb 26, 2009 18:08:38 GMT -5
How can you say these things?!!??!! You all just want horses to die!!!!!! ( : PS. Have you noticed the nore exclamation points a person uses the more unstable they seem?
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Post by pikzeedust on Feb 26, 2009 22:28:14 GMT -5
Has anyone been able to find out what really went on Saturday? The CBER board is still closed.
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Post by pikzeedust on Feb 26, 2009 22:38:37 GMT -5
Nevermind....... I was able to log in.
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