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Post by TashGaia on Jun 21, 2009 13:01:54 GMT -5
This needed it's own thread... So, what about all the equipment, panels, shelters, etc that was at least partially paid for by the 501 that was c ber? It is still in use at Camelot All that is now being used in a private enterprise for profit, is this allowable? Just askin'... Debt? Sam had about $10k of PERSONAL DEBT that she was always trying to pawn off on the rescue but it was her debt under her name and legally all hers. In addition to that CBER paid for use of Camelot Farm, paid half of her rent, paid to help remodel her home, paid her insurance, her phone, her internet, her everything. She always tried to make it look like she was paying for her own stuff or that her parents were, but it was really CBER. There was no separation of funds between herself and CBER. No one can live on an income of $293 a year and yet that is what Sam expects us to believe she did as that is what she filed her 2007 taxes on and then had posted on her board. Further research shows that it appears that CBER's business license expired on 2/28/09 and officially dissolved on 6/1/09. I guess Diane's comment on 6/18/09 that "There is no CBER" is true. So I wonder why CBER has not broken this news to their own board. I wonder how they dissolved all their assets since they are required to have given everything to another charity. www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602472630COLUMBIA BASIN EQUINE RESCUE UBI Number: 602472630 Category: REG Profit/Nonprofit: Nonprofit Active/Inactive: Inactive State of Incorporation: WA Date of Incorporation: 02/09/2005 Expiration Date: 02/28/2009 Dissolution Date: 06/01/2009 The tangible assets that were in use for cber and the rescue horses are still there at Camelot being used now in a for profit enterprise...they are visible on the property. If you go on the new site and there it tells you that they are not a 501 and that they are not a rescue or a sanctuary etc etc, but if you click on "pay Here for your horse" it takes you to a page that has not been changed from the charity days, still talking about donations and rescue, etc, still using the c b e r name... Are you required to have a business licence to run a boarding/quarantine facility? And how many horses can you buy and sell a year before you are required to have a licence as a horse trader? |
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Post by lorsadoon on Jun 21, 2009 15:27:58 GMT -5
When you transfered the threads you forgot the one with the link to the new Non-rescue. web.mac.com/camelotfarm/CBER/Welcome.htmlIt is amazing someone who had no income could accumulate such a nice facility. Camelot Farm, built on the blood of innocent horses and the money of unsuspecting donors. |
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Post by cherie on Jun 21, 2009 17:45:38 GMT -5
This is good news. I like to think that the end of CBER started here:  and here:  |
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Post by lorsadoon on Jun 21, 2009 20:58:54 GMT -5
Cherie, you are exactly right. The death of Lavender (Angele Lique) and Meadow (Fleur de Shaklan) was tragic, but it showed how CBER actually operated. It was like a slap in the face for those of us who hung in there way too long.
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Post by TashGaia on Jun 22, 2009 13:23:19 GMT -5
According to the operator at the IRS, CBER is still a 501c3. So... why are they lying on the website and saying that they are not? This thing just keeps getting more and more confusing. They still have not said word one about it to their folks on their board, even though folks have been asking about it.
According to the operator at the Secretary of State, CBER is no longer a company. In February 2009 when they filed their annual report, they declined to renew their business license and filed paperwork saying that CBER was in the process of being dissolved. Sam was the President and the only governing member listed. Sam was also the President for 2008 and on back to the beginning. According to the operator at the Secretary of State there has never been an official President for Columbia Basin Equine Rescue who was other then Sam.
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Post by TashGaia on Jun 22, 2009 15:50:51 GMT -5
OH, WOW! I guess I hit a nerve with the 20 minutes I spent today making phone calls. CBER goes on attack once again! Hi Karan! So, what is their response? Do they write up a nice letter to let their supporters know what is going on? Do they tell them why this dissolution has been going on since February and no one has ever heard of it? Do they tell what their plans are for the distribution of what is left of CBER? Nope. They attack me personally... again.
I suppose I could defend myself by telling Karan that she is way off base... yet again... and that my t-posts are capped and have been for years. I guess I could explain that some horses like to take the hard-to-see slip-on vinyl caps off and that I am in a constant battle with little Neon to keep the fence capped. I suppose I could tell her that my pasture has the ONLY fencline on the entire facility that has caps on the posts and that most the closeup photos of my horses are taken from one of the general-use paddocks that I do not have control of. I guess I could explain that my pasture has been approved by four different rescues and that even AC says that my place is very safe and that my horses are all in excellent condition and a model of what she likes to see. After all, my place was good enough for CBER to send a bunch of horses here and we all know that Karan certainly wasn't intending to say that CBER's standards were lacking. I guess I could explain that... but really, why bother? I do not run a rescue and have never ONCE said that I did (in fact if you look on my HLH website it specifically says that it is NOT a rescue), I have never once solicited donations (in fact I have turned down many donations), I have never threatened that the truck was coming for my horses... I am just a private horse owner. It is obvious that Karan is going into personal attacks on me because there is no defending CBER not telling it's supporters months ago what was going on, despite the continued questions their members have been asking.
Ironic how very much she whines if anyone talks about her and yet she has no hesitation to go on marathon slamming sessions against other people. Oh well. Rock on Karan! Now, if you are done playing with me... could you please see if you can't get some sort of write up to inform your friends on the CBER board what is going on? They have been nicely asking for a while now and certainly deserve more then to simply be ignored.
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Post by halfwayhome on Jun 22, 2009 15:52:18 GMT -5
Nevermind Tash, we all know their "modus operandi". Its the old tactic of try to "baffle them with b*llsh*t" and focus the attention elsewhere, anything rather than tell the truth or admit there just might be an issue. We all know...
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Post by lorsadoon on Jun 22, 2009 16:06:39 GMT -5
According to the operator at the IRS, CBER is still a 501c3. So... why are they lying on the website and saying that they are not? This thing just keeps getting more and more confusing. They still have not said word one about it to their folks on their board, even though folks have been asking about it. According to the operator at the Secretary of State, CBER is no longer a company. In February 2009 when they filed their annual report, they declined to renew their business license and filed paperwork saying that CBER was in the process of being dissolved. Sam was the President and the only governing member listed. Sam was also the President for 2008 and on back to the beginning. According to the operator at the Secretary of State there has never been an official President for Columbia Basin Equine Rescue who was other then Sam. So was CBER, the business, dissolved in February? And if it was, how can they still be a 501c3? And if people donated money to CBER after the business license was expired, are their deductions tax deductable? Tash, you know we are all a bunch of people who have no life and do not have anything better to do than haunt CBER, ahhhahahahaha.  If there is no CBER anymore, why the heck does it matter to Karan anyway? |
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Post by trixie on Jun 22, 2009 16:43:11 GMT -5
The big question I have is Who is gettting the panels, shelters, halters, blankets, platinum performance products, saddles, bridles, shelters & everything else that was donated?
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Jun 22, 2009 17:05:12 GMT -5
WOW!!!!! Been out of town a few days.
And somehow, I think this story is far from over.
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Post by dingo on Jun 22, 2009 18:35:09 GMT -5
  Maybe not $millions, but apparently enough. Somebody has got a new rig!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by pnp4kidz on Jun 22, 2009 18:47:07 GMT -5
The 501c3 rules state you MUST donate ALL of your assets to a current 501c3... when you go out of business...
so, I'd like to offer her up some names of reputable agencies who'd love those donations...
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Post by beckybee on Jun 22, 2009 19:09:33 GMT -5
Did CBER pay for the shelters, panels, etc. or were they bought by Camelot from QT fees?
If they were paid by QT fees, then Sam owns them
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Post by halfwayhome on Jun 22, 2009 19:59:51 GMT -5
Since I was the one who told her the Noble shelters were on sale at Big R and also about some of the panels, at least a great deal of them were purchased before the big QT thing, she kept adding to them as time went by. I was also there when she talked to me about buying the trailer, since I was at the time doing so much hauling for rescue horses with my own rig or she had Chuck haul horses. I was told at the time that the rescue paid for a great deal of the horsetrailer ( the stock type gooseneck aluminum featherlight) She (and by that I mean the rescue known as cber) also had mucho donated tack and equipment ( much of which I still have a copy of the donated inventory since friends of mine donated it) It was later that Shawna and others said she sold a lot of it and pocketed the money for personal uses.
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Post by cat67 on Jun 22, 2009 21:16:50 GMT -5
The 501c3 rules state you MUST donate ALL of your assets to a current 501c3... when you go out of business... so, I'd like to offer her up some names of reputable agencies who'd love those donations... I agree! |
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Post by marcsayer on Jul 17, 2009 1:23:03 GMT -5
Wow have I missed a lot while I've been gone. I do a bit of work investigating dog rescues gone bad in my capacity as owner of RescueWatchdogs.org so I know a bit about this 501c3 issue. As soon as your state non profit corp status is dissolved, you are required to notify the IRS and your 501c3 is suspended. You can't be a 501c3 without being a valid state non profit. So if CBER has dissolved their WA state non profit corp. and failed to let the IRS know, they are in violation of IRS regs. Also, they are required by state and federal law to get their books in order, pay all valid debts, then disperse the remaining assets to valid non profit charities (I believe they must go to other 501c3s, but I am not certain of this, it may be that they can go to other types of charities or even to state non profits that are not tax exempt at all). But they can NOT go to board members or other individuals who were involved with the rescue, or to any for profit businesses. Also most states require a board of at least 3 people for a non profit corp., so Sam could not have been the only board member (unless WA is different on this). Most people do not understand that a non profit is not the same as a charity. A 501c3 is a charity regulated by the fed, the IRS, and it must also be a valid non profit. But a non profit is simply a form of business structure regulated by the state. All 501c3s must be non profits, but not all non profits are 501c3 or any type of 501. BTW good to see some familiar names here. I've been out of the loop for a while, focusing on my dog rescue. I haven't seen or talked to Amy Jo much so I didn't know about most of this stuff. I am saddened to read about CBER's problems and demise. Sam and everyone treated me well and clearly weren't in it for the money with Hyacinth and Hera, the two horses I got through them. But times and people do change. People you trust can turn on you. I've learned that the hard way having had a person in dog rescue turn on me viciously. And people who once were in it to rescue animals turn into hoarders, and even sometimes end up using rescue to generate a personal income. It is sad, but a fact of life. We are only a few miles from Tireddog, so next time folks are up this way, give me a shout and stop by to say hi and see how Hera and Valley are doing. |
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Post by fortheluvofhorses on Jul 17, 2009 15:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by lorsadoon on Jul 24, 2009 8:51:45 GMT -5
If this is the site Maverick-Zora was talking about. Only a couple of threads are open to view without joining. The rest of them are hidden. |
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So, what about all the equipment, panels, shelters, etc that was at least partially paid for by the 501 that was c ber? It is still in use at Camelot All that is now being used in a private enterprise for profit, is this allowable? Just askin'...
Don't forget the truck, water truck, jetta and huge amounts of donated tack and supplies (both from individuals and vendors). Even their domain name is an asset... and it is currently valued at ~$1,679*.
Are you required to have a business licence to run a boarding/quarantine facility?
