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Post by rodeo51 on Jul 22, 2009 22:43:44 GMT -5
Here are some more CBER mares for sale from Wayne... 'cause we all know that feedlot horses are so much better off when they are sold privately pregnant. Oh, and don't you love the fencing for that draft stallion? The first mare is poor Latte...will she ever find a real home, the second mare is Dazet, I haven't figured out who the third mare is yet. Wayne also has a few geldings for sale which may or may not be CBER horses. ............................................................ seattle.craigslist.org/see/grd/1283455507.htmlbred red roan mare - $750 (Yakima, Washington)Date: 2009-07-22, 12:26PM PDT This mare is halter broke and was rode two years ago for 30 days. Mare is bred to a registered Belg. stud, see picture below of stud. Mare is due to foal in May 2010. This mare is known to throw red roan and blue roan colts! Mare is pictured with last years colt, look at the confirmation on this blue roan colt! This mare will delight you with a big beautiful foal next spring. Mare is 8 years old. If interested call 509-307-4269   seattle.craigslist.org/see/grd/1283359954.htmlbred brw&white paint draft cross mare - $700 (Yakima, Washington)Date: 2009-07-22, 12:25PM PDT This mare is only 3 years old. She is not broke but she is halter broke. This mare is super duper gentle and would make a nice riding horse! Mare is due to foal in may of 2010. Mare is bred to registered belg. stud, see picture below of stud horse. We have over 40 head of horses and we are down sizing our numbers. If interested call 509-307-4269  seattle.craigslist.org/see/grd/1283317764.html1 bred blk&white paint draft cross mare - $1500 (Yakima, Washington)Date: 2009-07-22, 12:24PM PDT 4 year old black and white paint draft cross mare. This mare is green broke to drive and ride. She is very gentle and wants to please, she needs a good home. She is bred to a registered blonde belg. stud, see picture below of stud horse. Mare is due to foal in May 2010. We have over 40 head of horses and we are down sizing our numbers. If interested in mare call 509-307-4269.  = |
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Post by lorsadoon on Jul 23, 2009 7:36:32 GMT -5
The really sad thing is if he does not sell them, they will probably end up at Chucks.
And those ads sound like Sam wrote them.
I wonder if they are listed on whatever site they are using now as previous Cber horses needing HELP.
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Post by tireddog on Jul 23, 2009 8:43:19 GMT -5
"We have over 40 head of horses and we are down sizing our numbers."Wow. And I have to ask the question I am sure nobody is thinking: "AND IS THIS WHY YOU KEEP BREEDING THE MARES TO THAT STUD?" What the hell? And why is Latte with Wayne? I missed something big in the "Coffee" group of horses. Wasn't that about three years ago? I wonder where the black and white paint/pinto came from? She looks an awful lot like Alice (CBER Oreo Cookie). Don't you all wonder what the real stories behind so many of our horses are? I mean, there was a lot of information "known" on some of the horses who supposedly were just dumped off at the feedlot and provided with a great deal of information. My heart breaks for these mares. How do people sleep at night? Thank you for posting this, Cowgirl Rodeo, aka Casper's Mommy. 
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Jul 23, 2009 11:06:57 GMT -5
The "Coffee" group of horses" was back in 12/05. There were 3, Coffee/gelding, Chai & Latte both mares.
Yes the paint dose look like Oreo Cookie, I'll check to see if we have any picks of her on this BB.
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Jul 23, 2009 11:09:25 GMT -5
Also that brown&white paint mare looks familiar too.
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Jul 23, 2009 11:18:13 GMT -5
lorsadoon, there new BB that links off there site dose not have a section for CBER horses needing new homes. Also it is viewable with out being a member at this time & has 61 users.
I don't know about the BB that Joanna? I think thats her name, put up that had CBER horses listed . I can't find the link to that BB.
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Post by rodeo51 on Jul 23, 2009 11:45:28 GMT -5
Oreo Cookie is with Tired Dog Ranch, but that third mare looks like her.
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Jul 23, 2009 11:58:32 GMT -5
The B&W could be Calico Callie but the marking look a little off from this pick to the one on her thread here. Sky & Wynoa but we only have a one sided picks, so the marking are off again.
I can't find a match for the other mare.
A lot of the links to the photos are dead.
Also I didn't go though the Rest in peace threads.
As we all know a lot of the horse threads are gone at this point because every time CBER started a new BB lots threads were never moved over.
Have to go to work now.
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Post by jfinnegan on Jul 23, 2009 13:31:10 GMT -5
These horses are not listed on the Northwest American Horse Rescues site (Jonna's site).
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Post by beejoyfulmk on Jul 23, 2009 14:42:57 GMT -5
sick and sad......
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Post by kwilliams on Jul 23, 2009 16:06:59 GMT -5
I train horses I am not a rescue I simply fix the ones I can what an owner decides to do is not my business. I have 2 horses from Waynes right now a black Percheron named Licorice and her 6mo old baby Jericho both are very kind and gentle, but Licorice has horrid feet and is very underweight and Jericho has a fairly severe hernia which will be surgically repaired soon. I also just placed Latte's blue roan colt with a wonderful man in Selah and a yearling colt named Kermit (brother to the black listed on CL) with a man here in Ellensburg. I know to most of you I am an easy target since I was the last one holding the "hot potato" on horses such as Dixie, Dazet, Betsy (the black and white) and whichever others whose outcome I am held accountable for. However in the last 18mo I have taken in, rehabbed and rehomed 33 horses I am sorry if there were a few I could not help. I am no ones conscience or decision maker I am responsible for only my choices and my own horses of which I have 16 all but 5 were purchased from the feedlot 1 being CBER Shelby or Ella as we call her. Bottom line I am one person I do the best I can and I sleep well at night. If you need a demon to slay or a place for your anger I guess you can take your shots at me.
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Post by tireddog on Jul 23, 2009 16:13:17 GMT -5
I was wondering if Alice Ann (CBER Oreo Cookie) might be related to the third mare listed above. (Alice's right eye is blue.) And Dazet looks like Star, the paint mare Tina adopted way back when. I thought how crazy (and yet completely within the doings of how CBER operates/ed) that people knowingly took in, held, even bred horses and so ultimately they would go to Chuck/Sam (for $$$), all the while us thinking these were rescued horses sold at auction who otherwise would end up at slaughter. In the end, it doesn't matter, because the horses clearly need saved - no matter what. But the responsible party - the one doing the sending to auction - seems different when you look at it from this perspective. One person could make a lot more money off a flashy horse who they can strategically add to the batch of feedlot horses if they know the horse exists and where it is stashed. This might just be my paranoia talking, but my trust has been 100% abolished by Sam and CBER as we know it.
Latte should NOT be in that situation, none of them should. Reminds me of other CBER horses put in another TERRIBLE situation and when it all came to light, CBER did nothing to go, get them out, pay thousands of dollars in rehabilitation, etc. Imagine that. But CBER did accept a nice chunk of change when the verdict was given and monies were distributed. I don't see any of that money helping Ivy/Soot right now.
Uh-oh. Am I sounding like a basher and a hater? Or am I simply speaking the truth ... ? What is the phrase? The truth sometimes hurts ...
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Post by TashGaia on Jul 23, 2009 18:37:58 GMT -5
Honestly Kristine I don't hold you accountable for any of the questioned horses throughout the past. I am not aware of you actually owning any of them. From the best of my understanding you are just a trainer who tries to fix the rescue horses - which is a good thing. The persons that I feel have a responsibility to the horses are the owner and the rescue.
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Post by michelle on Jul 23, 2009 19:59:01 GMT -5
Latte should NOT be in that situation, none of them should. Reminds me of other CBER horses put in another TERRIBLE situation and when it all came to light, CBER did nothing to go, get them out, pay thousands of dollars in rehabilitation, etc. Imagine that. But CBER did accept a nice chunk of change when the verdict was given and monies were distributed. I don't see any of that money helping Ivy/Soot right now. Uh-oh. Am I sounding like a basher and a hater? Or am I simply speaking the truth ... ? What is the phrase? The truth sometimes hurts ... CBEr/Sam got a nice chuck of change from from the ccg restitution?? I had no idea about this. I paid a few thousand in rehab and care for Prosser/Major. Sam refused to reimburse me for ANY of it. She put me off forever on it, then passed it off to Shelley when she became "pres" *cough cough*. They (Sam and Shelley) decided that Prosser wasn't their responsibility, since I never asked them for permission to give the horse vet care first. Oh, and that cber doesn't reimburse for foster care. WTF. This was not foster care, it was rehab for a horse neglected and abused, and cber's responsibility. I have the emails Shelley wrote about this, in case they try to cover their asses again. As if they could. And they let her cash in on this???!!?? AJ, do you know how much she received? And why? This is bs. I am ticked off beyond belief. That money was for the horses. Not for her. I don't know why I'm surprised. Just adding it to the list. Frickin lying scammer. If anything, Jim should have gotten it ALL. |
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Post by tireddog on Jul 23, 2009 20:42:53 GMT -5
An "insider" told me she received a settlement of $5,000 - not a lot given what these horses went through and what they required post-CCG. But $5,000 is $5,000 - and if you are a 501(c)3 and pocketing this money or spending it elsewhere, that is not only wrong, but illegal, I believe. However, I do not know the ins and outs of the legal system in this realm, and it could have simply been given to her, in her name, for all the emotional difficulty she experienced and "bad name" it gave CBER. But, of course, whoever told me this could have been blowing smoke up my ass just to get my goat since I now have Ivy/Soot, who still requires more than the other horses in all regards. Honestly, with such a scam going on, the truth will never come out. And those who believe it is all done in goodness and "peace" as Sam puts it will continue to stand behind her 100%.
BTW, I think you should be mad, Michelle, for everything you did to help - financially, emotionally, physically, mentally. The fact that we even continue to think about it and have it in our faces is bullshIt. (Yes, CBER followers, you can say we are causing this ourselves by continuing the saga here, but when you see a craigslist ad directing us to Wayne for CBER horses, it is difficult to look away and not try to find the truth.)
MTA: Kristine, I don't know who you are, and I was not referring to you not sleeping at night. From what I am reading here, you are doing a good thing - a very good thing. If you felt my shots were intended for you, please know they were not. We are all so sick of the lies that I am sure we, at least I, can't even see the situation through realistic eyes any more.
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Post by halfwayhome on Jul 23, 2009 21:55:47 GMT -5
Why would sam c ber receive anything of the ccg restitution? She did nothing for those horses, in fact she couldn't ( read wouldn't) go get the ones left there and Jim and some other people actually made the trip to pick horses up! Hytime, myself, Michele, and some others are the ones who rehabbed and saved lives of those horses. I still have all my pics and documents from that time. I did get some restitution money and Hytime got a very small amount compared to the thousands and thousands they put out, plus they also picked up some other cber horses that were in bad situations that sam wouldn't pick up. Other people also stepped forward in other cases of ex-cber horses needing homes or help. Kwilliams I do not feel you were ever the instigator of anything, you helped those horses in more ways than one and tried to get them somewhere they could be used and cared for, which is what many of us did. See the thing is, it was never the supporters to blame for what happened, they only followed what they thought was a thing that helped horses as it was presented to them. Lots of good people cared, lots of good people came together. The shame is in how they were used and treated and lied to and it is her shame (sams) for what happened to horses she pledged to be responsible for as a rescue.
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Jul 23, 2009 22:06:06 GMT -5
kwilliams, I'm cool with what you do. Why? Because as soon as this thread got started you posted who you are, what you do & why.
If I or we all clear our minds for a moment & think, the biggest problem with CBER has always been all the subterfuge.
IMO most people can cope, even if they don't like this or that, if all the cards are laid on the table face up. The down side is that CBER repeatedly did not do this.
By the way kwilliams, I have 5 X-CBER horses of my own & one was from Wayne, hes a great horse!
michelle, I agree with you Jim should have gotten reimbursed.
Amy Jo, you know I think the world of you, but will you please STOP putting yours self down in your post! Those of us who know you know your NOT crazy, nuts or bats! You have been gifted with a BIG STRONG HART & we know you HATE INJUSTICE.
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Post by lorsadoon on Jul 23, 2009 23:15:23 GMT -5
Michelle, weren't you the one who did the communication between the DA's office and cber? I seem to remember you posting a letter from him to you. If there were a payout from the state of Oregon to cber-sam, it should be easy enough to find.
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Post by michelle on Jul 23, 2009 23:43:28 GMT -5
Michelle, weren't you the one who did the communication between the DA's office and cber? I seem to remember you posting a letter from him to you. If there were a payout from the state of Oregon to cber-sam, it should be easy enough to find. Sam was not involved at all. In the case, rehabbing the horses, paying the vet, farrier, feed bills....not an ounce of effort even attempted... nothing. I will call the prosecuting att's office and see what I can find out. Hopefully it is public record. If it is true, it would be interesting to know if there is a recourse. Sam goes through money like crap through a goose. At the very least, she should be able to provide a detailed accounting for every dollar. And a reason for hiding it from all the volunteers and BoD. Like that'll happen. |
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Post by rodeo51 on Jul 24, 2009 1:01:08 GMT -5
Michelle...I hope your able to find out something, cause if this is true, it just plain sucks. Sam has no business getting any sort of monies from that situation period!
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Post by lorsadoon on Jul 24, 2009 8:34:35 GMT -5
Michelle, weren't you the one who did the communication between the DA's office and cber? I seem to remember you posting a letter from him to you. If there were a payout from the state of Oregon to cber-sam, it should be easy enough to find. Sam was not involved at all. In the case, rehabbing the horses, paying the vet, farrier, feed bills....not an ounce of effort even attempted... nothing. I will call the prosecuting att's office and see what I can find out. Hopefully it is public record. If it is true, it would be interesting to know if there is a recourse. Sam goes through money like crap through a goose. At the very least, she should be able to provide a detailed accounting for every dollar. And a reason for hiding it from all the volunteers and BoD. Like that'll happen. ROTFLMAO I will have to remember that one. ;D |
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Post by lorsadoon on Jul 24, 2009 8:55:56 GMT -5
lorsadoon, there new BB that links off there site dose not have a section for CBER horses needing new homes. Also it is viewable with out being a member at this time & has 61 users. I don't know about the BB that Joanna? I think thats her name, put up that had CBER horses listed . I can't find the link to that BB. M-Z, if this is the ste you are referring to, most of the threads are hidden and you can only see a couple without joining. |
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Post by tireddog on Jul 24, 2009 11:27:09 GMT -5
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Post by shelberttk2 on Aug 9, 2009 16:01:11 GMT -5
I was the one who went to CCGs to check out CBER mare Poppy and got in contact with Hytyme about what was going on there. I will never forget having to leave those horses behind, I was sick to my stomach and could not sleep. They were eating their own feces and screamed when my friend picked up a handful of feed to give the other. Mares with babies, pregnant mares etc. all starving in disgusting pig pen stalls. Then having to also leave her poor child in that pig sty....it has haunted me every since. All those animals who were starving, pleading me with their eyes to please get them OUT! The horses couldn't get in that trailer fast enough when we finally were able to get them out of there.....what a nightmare....
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Post by cat67 on Aug 24, 2009 14:10:47 GMT -5
Yes, I remember VERY clearly that $am would not lift a finger to go pick up those horses from CCG's...it was disgusting. She had a truck and trailer and would NOT do it. Lazy waste of oxygen.
If anybody deserves restitution it is the people who ACTUALLY PAID to feed up the horses she starved. I seem to recall Jim spent over $2K on Iris's vet alone...
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