Frusterated beyond belief.....

[blazinsaddles]

Ok usually i am pretty easy going so easy going in fact i am usually pretty much a sucker when people see me coming i must have sucker written all over me for them to see Some people say i am to nice ( never thought there was such a thing) but know after the vet visit today I am so angry and frusterated i am ready to just walk away and say to he** with it all. i have taken in horses who if people were honest i probally would still have gotten but to just know there is something wrong with them to keep them on any meds or even proper feed would have just fricken helped

so heres what todays vet visit consisted of
Morph ( once again ) this is his final vision check i will do untill i get his back board and bill money from morph) his eyes are clear from any and all eye worms ( yeah we are in the clear) he does have cataracts he is limited vision he can see lights and dark and shadows. he stool sample was not needed as steve thinks he would be clear since his eyes are clear and he is at a good weight. he is also sound and no tripping even at the trot( this i posted so all who know morph would have his update)

CJ ( as you may remember I got Cj for mathew my son ) know we have had the vet out before but cj was to thin and week to do teeth work so this time he was able to do his teeth and since he was sedated for the float and plaque removal we got a good look at his teeth for age. ( know i was told that Cj is 20 and registered but breeder wouldn,t give them up) ok heres where i am a sucker I buy him anyways cause he is such a good boy and mj loves him and he is so safe to be around. HA HA CJ IS MID 30"S know i had told this lady who owned him for 15 years that my sons pony is 35 and needs to be retired because she is older and blind and i worry he will get hurt ( my son is devlopmebntally challenged) ( death is not something he can handle he still cries nightly for his uncle who died 3 years ago Hence a younger horse would have made it easier when granny leaves) so when i got cj him being 20 was a good thing so i thought)

Captain i purchased for myself to ride and my husband as he is 17 hands and stout enough to carry him lady said there are no problems with him i rode him and walk trotted loped and he seemed fine we have had him home enjoying him when i can ride but i have noticed that the last few weeks that he seems stiff and uncomfortable and barely moves about yeap not only should he have shoes ( better ferrier ) but he has bad hocks and knees ( steve says he could have been on shots ( Great so know i have a light weight kids horse)

miss bucklett had a vet done today to
she is at good weight and body condition for a mare of her age HA HA he says Connie she is so old i cant even begin to tell you but definatly over 30 as her front teeth are hardly there ( ok but i knew she was older it not her i am frusterated with ) ( dont mistake what i am saying her just posting she saw a vet to)

so why i am frustertaed why do people have to lie about the horses abilities and ages i have been doing wrong for these horses because lack of knowing there ages and problems ( with the exception of buck she already gets stuff for ol ladies)

sorry for the long post but when i make a horse available i tell people everything about them age blindness eye sight issues bucking kicking trailering anything and everything we have done just because i would feel bad if i knew i was selling or giving away a horse with problems who were not disclosed maybe this is why i always seem to have mine for so long because i feel i have to show people everything i can about the horse Honesty is the best policy

[piopico]

You're quite right with everything you've said Blazin'. You have every right to feel frustrated- I think each one of us would! Sometimes I wonder what has happened to common decency and honesty..........then people like you who TRUSTED are made to feel like the idiot in the situation. Well you're NOT. Unfortunately there's not a quick fix............you've ended up with horses that are going to cost more to keep up, and maybe not even going to be usable as you intended. But at least, in the end, YOU will have them humanely euthanized, instead of them suffering the terror of shipping. You're a good person, Blazin.

[beckybee]

Yeah, us suckers and bleeding hearts get taken all the time. There sure are some a-holes out there. You care about your horses and want them to find appropriate homes, so you are up-front - no surprises, so hopefully a secure future. It seems some people will say anything to dump a horse. Totally irresposible. Just remember in the long run you are right, even though they think they won. At least these horses are lucky to have you now.

[jessiegirl1981]

want me to find em for ya? hehehe

[wendyp]

This is exactly why I am willing to take my chances on a 'feedlot' horse. You just never know for sure what you are getting, no matter who you are buying from. At least with these feedlot horses I don't have high expectations and I am estatic if they turn out to be better than I thought!!!

WendyP/Bend, OR

[MustangAppy]

I hear ya, Wendy! We were thrilled that Sierra turned out to be all they thought and then some. Her only issues were getting her weight and condition up and letting her hooves grow out, since they were in such bad shape from lack of trimming and poor nutrition. She has turned out to be quite the cute little pest. Blazin, I am sorry you have had a string of bad luck, but I'll bet your horses don't feel the same way. I am sure they feel very lucky indeed. Good on ya!

[dcsmmi]

I know exactly what you're talking about Blazin. My dad used to take me to auctions when I was little - and he would show me what to look for, not only in conformation, age etc, but also how to pick out the drugged horses. It's ridiculous.

All of our horses are adopted with a 100% disclosure. What good does it do the horse otherwise? Yeah, I might be able to find it a home - but what happens when that horse gets home, ends up lame, or that supposed "kids horse" hurts someone? It's not the horse's fault, but it will sure as heck end up at the auction. Then eventually the feedlot.

I've done a couple 'euthanasia' rescues since we started. Horses we saved by putting them down. (One is explained under The Story of Ace on our website.) The last was a cute little paint mare in her 20's. She came from a backyard breeder in So Oregon who sold her when they weaned her last foal. (Yes, I said she was in her 20's.) They found an unsuspecting buyer who couldn't tell she was BLIND, and sold her as a 12 yr old. The new owner brought her home, turned her out with a bunch of other horses who immediately ran her through several fences, including barb wire, and she was cut from her flanks to her hip bones and all around her legs. They brought her up and locked her in a stall - where she was so terrified (remember - she'd just had her foal yanked from her, taken from the safety of a field she knew the perimeters of and was now in serious pain) she ran in circles inside the stall rubbing her nose bloody and bashing her eyes.

Now, the seller was an @$$. No doubt about it. The buyer - new owner - was just as bad. The call I got was "if you can't take her - we'll take her to the auction Saturday". Can you EVEN imagine the FEAR in this poor old mama - completely traumatized - and then to be dumped in a sale ring? I was completely maxed out, over 20 horses at the time, no shelter and no safe area for a blind horse. I had 1 day to make the decision - and all I could do was end her fear and suffering. I would have rather "euthanized" the last 2 owners.... but not as humanely.

My hubby really likes when I haul dead horses home in my trailer. Sigh.

[mickeyfan3]

And you're an Angel for doing that. Too many other people would have chosen not to get involved.

dcsmmi said:

I know exactly what you're talking about Blazin. My dad used to take me to auctions when I was little - and he would show me what to look for, not only in conformation, age etc, but also how to pick out the drugged horses. It's ridiculous.

All of our horses are adopted with a 100% disclosure. What good does it do the horse otherwise? Yeah, I might be able to find it a home - but what happens when that horse gets home, ends up lame, or that supposed "kids horse" hurts someone? It's not the horse's fault, but it will sure as heck end up at the auction. Then eventually the feedlot.

I've done a couple 'euthanasia' rescues since we started. Horses we saved by putting them down. (One is explained under The Story of Ace on our website.) The last was a cute little paint mare in her 20's. She came from a backyard breeder in So Oregon who sold her when they weaned her last foal. (Yes, I said she was in her 20's.) They found an unsuspecting buyer who couldn't tell she was BLIND, and sold her as a 12 yr old. The new owner brought her home, turned her out with a bunch of other horses who immediately ran her through several fences, including barb wire, and she was cut from her flanks to her hip bones and all around her legs. They brought her up and locked her in a stall - where she was so terrified (remember - she'd just had her foal yanked from her, taken from the safety of a field she knew the perimeters of and was now in serious pain) she ran in circles inside the stall rubbing her nose bloody and bashing her eyes.

Now, the seller was an @$$. No doubt about it. The buyer - new owner - was just as bad. The call I got was "if you can't take her - we'll take her to the auction Saturday". Can you EVEN imagine the FEAR in this poor old mama - completely traumatized - and then to be dumped in a sale ring? I was completely maxed out, over 20 horses at the time, no shelter and no safe area for a blind horse. I had 1 day to make the decision - and all I could do was end her fear and suffering. I would have rather "euthanized" the last 2 owners.... but not as humanely.

My hubby really likes when I haul dead horses home in my trailer. Sigh.

[bridgetah]

I'm sorry you've run into these people - I hate being taken advantage of.

If you're still looking for a horse for your son, check out Belle on the Strawberry Mountain Mustang link. She might be what you want and you wouldn't be getting ripped off.

[blazinsaddles]

it just amazes me what some people will do to be cruel. horses are at our mercy and sometimes people are just so cruel

my son is hard to shop for as he is devlopmentally slow and doesn't understand the concept of things to do and not do around horses while we try and teach him and reteach there are things he does that i know will never change like laying on the ground at cj's feet and brushing the dirt off

but for know i cant afford another horse untill i decide what is best for these guys and i am full with the boarders ( yeah they are gonna get booted her real quick if i dont get there back board) so i cant ven look untill i find Bo a companion home or something along thiose lines have to have room before i look

Thanks for listening guys i was and still am just trying to figure out where to go from here

[Admin]

I have a whole pasture of horses as a result of sellers not being honest about the horse they are selling! It always ends up being the horses fault and into the circle they go!

An honest seller will tell you everything they know.
You will be allowed a vet check by YOUR vet.
Your trainer will be a part of the sale.
Have THE OWNER ride the horse first.
Always show up very early. ( A little trick here ) so you can see how the horse responds to being caught fresh, how he behaves being tacked up. Watch him though the whole process. Then... if you like the horse come back! NEVER by on the spot!

[blazinsaddles]

unfortunatly i dont have a trainer to even take but those are good rules to follow them i will remeber them next time

[beckybee]

It's pretty amazing how a random horse you inquire about turns out to be the PERFECT horse for your situation in EVERY WAY!

Oh yes, he's done that! Of course, I even leave my toddlers in his stall and he doesn't so much as move! Oh, that's not to say he is lazy, oh no! Once an experience person gets on him he gets up and goes! etc.

[dcsmmi]

I just love the "4 yr old bomb proof kids horses" - those crack me up. There are some really bad traders around Corvallis (Oregon) who buy @ auction and then the horse has an instant history a day later - and is listed on Dreamhorse as kid/husband safe etc.

PEC - those are great suggestions. Everyone should also know at least how to identify Galvayne's Groove for aging - it won't help you with younger horses - but you can at least spot a 10 yr old or older that way.

[blazinsaddles]

my vet showed me that groove and told me how it works

i have seen those one too a white mule that a friend wanted went on Dh the next day for 4 times what they paid for it i was at the auction it sold at

[watermarkfarm]

Blazin, don't feel too bad about the 35 year old pony. I knew better, but did the same thing as you----took on a pony that turned out much older! My vet laughed and said "don't worry, this pony is going to live to be at least 45." Yes, our pony is somewhere around 35, with no signs of lameness or arthritis or even slowing down in any way. Now I am constantly meeting people who have 40+ year old ponies. They are everywhere.

Two words when it comes to taking on horses: BUYER BEWARE

[agilitygal]

We've all been there and done that. I took the unadoptable, special-needs, senior dogs that were thrown away by their callous owners for years. Their care broke the bank and I can no longer afford to take on as many and have to be very selective. Most problems can be solved if the animal just got the care it needed in the first place. . .and. . .if the owner cared enough and was human enough to send a history with the animal when they dumped it at the shelter. I'm not the only one out there that will take in those animals and give it a secure and loving home with the appropriate vet care until the end comes. I am so thankful that I have seen into the hearts and souls of these doggy friends and accept my responsiblity to be their caretakers until they leave their bodies. All the animals are here to live their lives and they have a destiny like we do. I value truth and honesty and responsiblity in my life but am fully aware that others do not hold the same values. . .especially when the almight dollar is involved. For them, the dollar takes priority over all else. And, when the dollar reigns supreme, what does that say about the state of humanity. . .

[crum]

dcsmmi said:

I Everyone should also know at least how to identify Galvayne's Groove for aging - it won't help you with younger horses - but you can at least spot a 10 yr old or older that way.

One word of warning about Galvayne's groove that some people don't seem to realize. Past a certain age the Galvayne's groove goes away completely again. We had a welsh pony that was old enough he no longer had one and he physically looked like a youngster. If we had not known his history it would have been easy to mistake him for a much younger horse.

[rhythmbeads]

watermarkfarm said:

Two words when it comes to taking on horses: BUYER BEWARE

Ain't that the truth! And what the seller believes might be true is actually true for them...doesn't mean that it's true when the horse changes environment and gets into a new situation with different people and different rules and better quality of care!

[tfrancis]

You have every right to vent and God bless you for taking/keeping your horses with all their needs.
Sorry to hear your having trouble getting that special horse for your son. You'll find it and the wait will be worth it. Some horses have an amazing empathy (understanding) of children or persons with special needs. Call it instinct or what, but they give allowances. If only more sellers would be honest.

[dcsmmi]

crum said:

dcsmmi said:

I Everyone should also know at least how to identify Galvayne's Groove for aging - it won't help you with younger horses - but you can at least spot a 10 yr old or older that way.

One word of warning about Galvayne's groove that some people don't seem to realize. Past a certain age the Galvayne's groove goes away completely again. We had a welsh pony that was old enough he no longer had one and he physically looked like a youngster. If we had not known his history it would have been easy to mistake him for a much younger horse.

Yes - it disappears off the bottom of the tooth @ 20. Generally (although ponies can be difficult) the general shape of the horse can tell you if you're looking at one (with no groove showing) whether it's less than 10 or more than 20. Older horses will have a sharper angle to the teeth as well, along with less "cupping" because it's been worn smooth with time. It's sad that you can trust no one...

[crum]

dcsmmi said:

crum said:

One word of warning about Galvayne's groove that some people don't seem to realize. Past a certain age the Galvayne's groove goes away completely again. We had a welsh pony that was old enough he no longer had one and he physically looked like a youngster. If we had not known his history it would have been easy to mistake him for a much younger horse.

Yes - it disappears off the bottom of the tooth @ 20. Generally (although ponies can be difficult) the general shape of the horse can tell you if you're looking at one (with no groove showing) whether it's less than 10 or more than 20. Older horses will have a sharper angle to the teeth as well, along with less "cupping" because it's been worn smooth with time. It's sad that you can trust no one...

Actually I've always been told it disappears at about 30. I know my 29 year old just had a smidge of one at the bottom of one of her teeth and none left on the other.

The pony I mentioned messed people up regularly because he didn't have the typical steep angle or the change in the top of the tooth shape typically associated with older horses. Our vet at the time used to like to give his new people crap about their not being able to read the teeth ;D

modified to add I agree that it is sad that people aren't to be trusted.

[earlybp]

I don't know how to respond to people who throw away their animals after they've stopped being useful, and I especially don't understand folks who knowingly lie about their animal's condition. It's so common in the horse world. I'm to the point where I'll only get them from a reputable horse rescue.
Ugh. I'm so sorry Blazinsaddles that you are going through this. And I'm especially sorry for your boy. One of my sons has mild autism, and sometimes still cries about his cat that died 2 years ago. You just don't want them to have to go through that pain, because they don't get over it like the rest of us do.

[tireddog]

C, your frustration is real and justified, and I think you know this scene is never going to change. Just know that you have acquired a family of honest horse lovers here who will help you find the right horse. Together we can do amazing things.

I still feel horribly that I didn't contact you before you came to Oregon on your last haul, but know that Bo has a home waiting for him here if you want. The blind gals and their seeing-eye horses could use some testosterone in their pasture. And this would be Bo's retirement home (meaning he would never be moved anywhere else unless you wanted him returned to you).

[blazinsaddles]

well i guess everything happens for a reason it will show us why someday tomorrow is bath day if the weasther holds we got a new camera and will post pics of them and thanks guys

tireddog, that would be great we will figure out how to get him home to you guys

[icehorse]

Right there with you Blazin...when you are such a good person, it's hard to imagine just how bad some people can be. It's great to have this support board. looks like things may be looking up for you already. Take care

[tireddog]

You know what, C? Brunhilda is coming here and is going to desperately miss Rory, who she has bonded with at Jim's (Hytyme's) over the past month or so. (Actually, it only took them four hours to become soulmates ... can you imagine?) I think Brunie needs Bo, and Bo definitely needs Brunie. She will be his seeing-eye horse, and he will be her love. Brunhilda and Bo ... they sound like a couple on a really popular soap opera.

Also, if you have a chance you could start a thread with very specific needs and desires for a horse for your son. Put us to work, and we will probably find a dozen perfect horses for you!

Chin up, girlfriend. Everything works out for the best. Ryan (Ranger) once said to me, "You don't know why that horse is with you at this time, but she is meant to be there. You will find out someday. Don't worry about it. Just trust that she is exactly where she is supposed to be." That was some of the most sage advice I have ever heard. (Along with her support that strangles was not the worst thing we could go through here ... and it wasn't.) You know, your son doesn't understand, in our way, about death and dying and losing someone you love; but he will face it in life, and you have given him the safest, most beautiful, most loving and supportive environment to learn in. I hate to sound all woo-woo, but I think this has all happened for a reason - just like you wrote. Focus on that, and everything will fall into place.

[blazinsaddles]

Thanks i will put together a list about mathew needs on a horse

Bo and Brunhilda = BB hey know thats a meant to be and he needs a soft gentle horse to be his eyes he gets picked on by most so right know he is safely in a pen next to morph because he is so passive that even bucklett picks on him.

i know everything happens for a reason and sometimes not knowing those reasons gets frusterating

[tireddog]

Give us as many specifics as possible, i.e., Matthew's likes/dislikes of color and breeds, gender preference, height, age, etc.

We are going to have to come up with a cute last name for Mr. Bo and Mrs. Brunhilda, perhaps something simple like Brown - "Bo and Brunie Brown." They haven't even met and already are a couple. ;D

[blazinsaddles]

How so very cute BB brown LOL ;D