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Post by wendyp on Feb 19, 2007 0:55:42 GMT -5
Hi Aimee,
I guess I kinda started this firestorm by questioning your post - I tried to be diplomatic in my post, but it looks like I failed!! Sorry!!! And I mean that sincerely...no sarcasm.
It sounds like some rescues might not be informing adopters of the high possibility of Strangles, or any other contagious disease, so that they can properly quarantine their horses. I have dealt with strangles, yes, it can be a little spendy, but then we usually aren't paying very much for the horses, so I figure it all works out in the end. And I adopted all my CBER horses (I think we are up to 8 or 9 between Hystyle and I) knowing full well that they had been exposed.
I don't know if Emily is at fault for not quarantining, or the rescues at fault for not properly informing her.............
Sorry if I came across as angry - it truly was not intentional........
WendyP/Bend, OR
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Post by bridgetah on Feb 19, 2007 1:34:21 GMT -5
I don't think it is the business of this board to have anything to do with shutting down any rescue or even speculating about it. Speculation on a BB quickly turns into rumor and gossip and then, people go out and post it as "the truth" on other boards.
Horses die when people post things on CL and elsewhere and discourage adoptions.
Likewise, I don't think that any rescue's shortcomings should be discussed on this board. That can be done on other boards and/or private emails.
Anything else is too destructive.
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Post by lorsadoon on Feb 19, 2007 8:29:04 GMT -5
Likewise, I don't think that any rescue's shortcomings should be discussed on this board. That can be done on other boards and/or private emails. I think if you have FIRSTHAND knowledge of anything that might be going wrong with rescue you owe it to the public to acknowledge it. The problem comes up when people pass on gossip as fact. It is easy to lie in PMs if you do not have any checks and balances with people who actually know the rescue. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this rescue. But a polite discussion about it should not be forbidden. |
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Post by dcsmmi on Feb 19, 2007 11:50:08 GMT -5
Aimee - There are things 'behind the scenes' that I think happened to alot of the folks on this board before you and I (and many others) came along. I sense that they are a bit gun shy at times -  But I don't think anyone meant any harm. Sometimes things written appear harsher than words spoken. My personal opinion (I don't know who Bonnie is?) I don't think she would have contacted anyone or given vacc's if she had reason to believe they were sick. Personally - I would question an adopter who already had a number of horses on small acreage - wanting two more? (I don't know all the facts - just my speculation.) I always tell people the initial purchase price is the CHEAP part, it gets more expensive from there. This may be a case where the adopters heart was bigger than her pocketbook, something we can probably all be accused of at times, but this time it really blew up on her. It's a chance you take with any purchase - and especially rescue horses because they generally don't come with a history. But, what would have happened if these two boys had run through a fence, caused an accident, etc. ? Vet bills again, possibly injuries or auto damage... Again - you can't predict the unknown - you just have to try to be prepared. This is just the case of a couple of women trying to do what they think is right - but I don't think there is any blame. As for reporting rescues - I'm all for it - but it has to be done in a cautious manner. I've dealt with alot of so called rescues - wrote the 'Rescues or Neglect' page for my website - and I've turned alot of people into Animal Control, Dept of Justice and the IRS. (Including one who "rescued" mustangs, got major donations from the community, then sold them to slaughter.) Let the authorities do the investigating before spreading the information in public. It can just get too blown out of hand. And what if you're wrong? If I were to see a rescue I thought was bad news listed on THIS board - I would assume contacting an administrator would be the way to go?? |
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Post by bridgetah on Feb 19, 2007 12:31:04 GMT -5
I didn't think that the mission of this board was to publically trash rescues and any speculation about them will soon find its way to other boards.
If you have "first-hand" information and you object to a rescue being listed here, tell an administrator and let it go. "Polite" discussion can be as vicious and destructive as "impolite" discussion.
I don't know who Bonnie is, nor do I know who Emily is. Maybe they both screwed up - the point is to help the horses, get them some hay and hope that Emily gets a job soon.
Horses are expensive - my mare needed surgery and lay-up care shortly after I got her. I spent thousands on her that year. Emily wasn't prepared for a medical crisis and doubtless, she didn't know that she would soon be out of a job.
As for QT, I'm not sure what the law is, but I doubt that people who buy from auctions, feedlots, etc., QT their horses before making them available for adoption. I doubt that some of our more beloved, big-time TB rescuers down here do that. It's "buyer beware," in the horse world. IMO, it's always been that way. I think most rescuers are honorable people and do their best but "buyer beware" still holds because less is known about rescue horses, especially those from auctions and feedlots.
People seem to crave gossip and rescue attracts crazies and people with their own "vision" and there is no need to fuel that. This board works fine as it is.
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Post by quatzie on Feb 19, 2007 12:38:55 GMT -5
"Please lets just get back to the topic of helping "Emily" and go forward we have horse to help.
Thank you
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Feb 19, 2007 17:42:18 GMT -5
Hi, Leanne, Thank you so much for your very kind words. They are like salve on my troubled soul... Aimee Aimee, please don't leave the group...we are very sensitized to difficult subjects due to our past BB history...this is something like our fourth re-vamped board in two years...and you cannot be expected to know our past and the difficulties we have shared on these boards. If anything, I think there was an over-reaction and misunderstanding from the start to your question. As we have gotten to know you, we who have followed your posts and concerns know the type of personality you are. And I don't think saber-rattling or trouble making is part of your makeup. And the folks who answered your post with a bit of alarm are also good people, just perhaps not thinking of how the printed word looks compared to the spoken words. So hang in there, we are just starting to define who we are as this group, and how we want to handle the issues that come up, OK? And it doesn't help that people are on edge about the truck at the feedlot. PM me if you have any questions or concerns. Leanne |
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Feb 19, 2007 17:44:14 GMT -5
Hi, wendyp, Apology accepted  Aimee Hi Aimee, I guess I kinda started this firestorm by questioning your post - I tried to be diplomatic in my post, but it looks like I failed!! Sorry!!! And I mean that sincerely...no sarcasm. It sounds like some rescues might not be informing adopters of the high possibility of Strangles, or any other contagious disease, so that they can properly quarantine their horses. I have dealt with strangles, yes, it can be a little spendy, but then we usually aren't paying very much for the horses, so I figure it all works out in the end. And I adopted all my CBER horses (I think we are up to 8 or 9 between Hystyle and I) knowing full well that they had been exposed. I don't know if Emily is at fault for not quarantining, or the rescues at fault for not properly informing her............. Sorry if I came across as angry - it truly was not intentional........ WendyP/Bend, OR |
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Feb 19, 2007 17:46:29 GMT -5
I totally agree with you, lorsadoon....that was my only intention was to bring people's attention to this problem and only that... Thanks! Aimee Likewise, I don't think that any rescue's shortcomings should be discussed on this board. That can be done on other boards and/or private emails. I think if you have FIRSTHAND knowledge of anything that might be going wrong with rescue you owe it to the public to acknowledge it. The problem comes up when people pass on gossip as fact. It is easy to lie in PMs if you do not have any checks and balances with people who actually know the rescue. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this rescue. But a polite discussion about it should not be forbidden. |
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Feb 19, 2007 17:48:17 GMT -5
Just to clarify: the woman's name is Bobbie...not Bonnie...just so that no Bonnie gets blamed for anything Aimee Aimee - There are things 'behind the scenes' that I think happened to alot of the folks on this board before you and I (and many others) came along. I sense that they are a bit gun shy at times - But I don't think anyone meant any harm. Sometimes things written appear harsher than words spoken. My personal opinion (I don't know who Bonnie is?) I don't think she would have contacted anyone or given vacc's if she had reason to believe they were sick. Personally - I would question an adopter who already had a number of horses on small acreage - wanting two more? (I don't know all the facts - just my speculation.) I always tell people the initial purchase price is the CHEAP part, it gets more expensive from there. This may be a case where the adopters heart was bigger than her pocketbook, something we can probably all be accused of at times, but this time it really blew up on her. It's a chance you take with any purchase - and especially rescue horses because they generally don't come with a history. But, what would have happened if these two boys had run through a fence, caused an accident, etc. ? Vet bills again, possibly injuries or auto damage... Again - you can't predict the unknown - you just have to try to be prepared. This is just the case of a couple of women trying to do what they think is right - but I don't think there is any blame. As for reporting rescues - I'm all for it - but it has to be done in a cautious manner. I've dealt with alot of so called rescues - wrote the 'Rescues or Neglect' page for my website - and I've turned alot of people into Animal Control, Dept of Justice and the IRS. (Including one who "rescued" mustangs, got major donations from the community, then sold them to slaughter.) Let the authorities do the investigating before spreading the information in public. It can just get too blown out of hand. And what if you're wrong? If I were to see a rescue I thought was bad news listed on THIS board - I would assume contacting an administrator would be the way to go?? |
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Feb 19, 2007 17:51:55 GMT -5
I have deleted all my posts re: Bobbie, so that the posts are not there as fodder to further feed the issue....but, I hope that you, who are very experienced with Strangles, check into Bobbie and be sure that she is properly educated if she needs to be.
Aimee
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Feb 21, 2007 1:42:46 GMT -5
Another donation...a man is donating 6 bales of good quality Eastern OR grass/alfalfa mix hay and 3 bags of crimped oats...he will call Emily to set up arrangements. It sounds like he will deliver but was not specific enuf for me to know for sure. If I need help with delivery, I will let you all know, all you heroes <smile>
Aimee
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But I don't think anyone meant any harm. Sometimes things written appear harsher than words spoken. 
