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Post by tfrancis on Feb 17, 2007 23:30:08 GMT -5
10 Year Old Black Mustang * PLEASE READ* Reply to: ropeitup99@yahoo.com Date: 2007-02-16, 10:37AM PST So I have posted Odie, my 10 Year old Black Mustang a few times on Craigslist, and Dreamhorse.com for Trade or just Sell, but for some reason when it comes nearly close to getting rid of him, my heart drops and I can't let him go. I think it's time to just keep him and get him into training, and need to say I don't have the money, but if it's low monthly payments such as 200 or less would be great, I would rather be really broke than not broke to keep him in my life. Just being around him, were best bud's it's weird how that works, I think about this horse, as if a teenager was in love with a really good lookin Cowboy , this horse means the world to me, and I am posting this add, becuase I need the best trainer out there LOCAL to take him in and work with him. His bad habits are: *He runs off quickly once he see's another person on another horse around him, which is what happend with me on him, he took off and there I fell flat on my back to the ground ( we were getting ready to pony him, and once I got on he took off ). *He is affraid of what's behind him, if he knows something is coming behind him, he instantly moves his butt around. *Doesn't always take the bridal with a bit all too well, but he takes it if you try. *lound noises or any sudden movement, he sorda freaks out/jumpy. Some other things about him, is that he has a very huge trust issue, which is common, but when my sister had first got on him without knowing him, he bucked her off. So she still got him for me, and it took me a month to get to know him and I never got on him, and the past 2 months, I have been able to get on him, and have her walk him for me. He leads by being handled, not on his own, I tryed lol. So he has been saddled, haltered, bridaled, and good about being brushed, but he still flares his nose . He don't let me pick up his feet, but my sister can sometimes. PLEASE SERIOUS INQUIRES ONLY, I REALLY NEED TO TALK WITH SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP ME. ASHLEY * Location: Yacolt, WA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 279726083
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Post by dcsmmi on Feb 17, 2007 23:45:50 GMT -5
Modified to add - of course I saw the "reply to" address after the fact. lol I also found out she has contacted a couple trainers - and either didn't like their suggestions/ideas or she didn't want to be involved in the training. She wants someone to take her horse and make it what she wants it to be - then turn over the reins. Sad for the horse - they won't have much of a relationship that way. Ashley - How far are you willing to travel? It really sounds like your boy needs alot of desensitizing to start - and when you can step in and pick up on that - you will be giving him confidence and building a bond of trust. Alot of the good trainers are usually a month or more out - allowing you to save up enough (probably) for at least 30 days to start. *He runs off quickly once he see's another person on another horse around him, which is what happend with me on him, he took off and there I fell flat on my back to the ground ( we were getting ready to pony him, and once I got on he took off ). It sounds to me like you need to go back to ground work with him. This isn't a riding issue - it's trust, and him knowing when and how to give to you. If he doesn't get confidence from you, he doesn't believe he should "give" to the bit and put his faith in you. Does that make sense? Sometimes the ground work is more important for the human than the horse. Re-reading your post - it sounds like all of his cues are telling you - "I'm scared - I'm not ready for the next step". I wouldn't be riding him - just my opinion - but he sounds too frightened - and if you push his fear - you may lose his trust. These are just my ideas... I don't mean to sound critical in any way. I can recommend a great trainer or two - but I don't know how far you'd want to go. Don't get frustrated. Take it slow.
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Post by earlybp on Feb 18, 2007 13:07:35 GMT -5
I emailed her after I saw this post on craigslist, and recommended my trainer, Alishia. She costs $25 per hour, but expects the owner to work with her.
I also told her that she needed to slow down, and stay off him until he trusts the situation. I told her the same thing, that he's giving all signs of being scared.
Thing is, she can't afford the $650 a month to have a trainer train him, and in this situation, it'll take more than a month or two to get him calmed down and ride-able. PLUS! Just because the trainer can get him to respond, doesn't mean that Odie will respond to her that way.
I admire her not giving up on her horse, but she's got to make the effort if she wants the results.
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Post by dcsmmi on Feb 18, 2007 14:35:04 GMT -5
Exactly. AND, if this is the same girl I think it is - this horse may have already been to a trainer. As is often the case - the person needs as much or more training than the horse. =(
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Post by Tockita on Feb 18, 2007 15:08:35 GMT -5
Well I know Angi gets calls from folks with mustangs that have gone to trainers and the trainers tel the owners the horse is untrainable. lololol Lilly is one of those, the trainer couldn't even catch her and now that shes at Angis she follows us everywhere and can't get enough attention.
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Post by MustangAppy on Feb 18, 2007 16:11:03 GMT -5
Part of what you are describing is a Mustang, my dear, and to some extent, there are levels of those behaviors that won't entirely change. Once you understand that he will never respond to situations like a domestic horse, he won't seem so out of line to you. My Paladin's former owner sold him because he considered him unteachable. Said he never seemed to retain anything. I have found him to be the complete opposite, he never, ever forgets, learns fast, and is slow to forgive. Earning his trust was the big one, after that, it has all come along nicely. While I was not new to riding, I have never owned or trained a horse before in my life. Pal was my first. It can be done, but you do need help. Read, go to seminars, and work with a trainer when you can, but make sure it is one that has a reputation for being quiet, calm, gentle, and uses methods that follow the natural horsemanship type of training. Do not SEND him to a trainer, he needs to learn to trust and work with YOU! The trainer should be one that is willing to observe, give advice, step in when they need to, and works with you both.
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Post by dcsmmi on Feb 18, 2007 20:18:05 GMT -5
Spyder hit it right on the head. You have to PROVE yourself WORTHY to a mustang. After all, he's survived on his own - why does he need you? They are amazing horses.
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Post by earlybp on Feb 21, 2007 19:15:45 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise, she's listing him for sale again on craigslist:
Gelding for sale
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to: ropeitup99@yahoo.com Date: 2007-02-21, 11:12AM PST
Once again I am going to try and sale him. I am willing to trade for a well broke horse. Odie is green broke, needs an experienced rider/trainer. He's 10 years old, 15hh. I am waiting for the original owner to contact me to get him back, but haven't heard anything yet. Adoption fee is $500.00, he's been ridden many times, but only in a pasture/round pen. Tryed taking him out on trails, wasn't the best idea and I fell off. I can't put him into training becuase I don't have that kinda money to spend each month, unless it was smaller payments. SERIOUS INQUIRES ONLY.
Ashley
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Post by MustangAppy on Feb 21, 2007 21:12:14 GMT -5
Good lord. That poor horse. She wants push button and picks a Mustang. Good luck with that idea.
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Post by sophie on Feb 22, 2007 17:39:25 GMT -5
Looks like she just bought something that was cheap and "black", and had no idea what she was getting into.
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Post by strawberryfelidos on Feb 22, 2007 17:58:24 GMT -5
Oy. Asking to trade something green for something pre-trained? People try that with dogs sometimes- "We're dropping this off at the humane society because he's not trained. Do you have anything trained I could adopt?" Mmm, for you, no.
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Post by dcsmmi on Feb 22, 2007 18:04:35 GMT -5
sigh. You just can't fix stupid.
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Post by Tockita on Feb 22, 2007 22:56:17 GMT -5
Looks like she just bought something that was cheap and "black", and had no idea what she was getting into. Hey now!! My Chester was cheap ($125) and he's an AWSOME little black horse!
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Post by Tockita on Feb 22, 2007 22:57:43 GMT -5
Looks like she just bought something that was cheap and "black", and had no idea what she was getting into. Hey now!! My Chester was cheap ($125) and a mustang.. Yet he's an AWSOME little black horse!
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Post by MustangAppy on Feb 22, 2007 23:28:31 GMT -5
You go, Tockita! Them little Mustangs are the real deal. In this case, the owner is nuts. I e-mailed her. She admitted she was in over her head, wrong type of horse for her experince level. I gave her some ideas on who NOT to sell him to....like anyone who tells her they can MAKE him mind.
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