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Post by toeps on Dec 14, 2007 15:37:25 GMT -5
We really need to get back on track for the other horses both on the feed lot & the KB lot ASAP! I'm with you! Bottom line these 2 mares are safe, there are others that are not! Please focus your attention there and help get them safe instead of feeding this drama |
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Post by ebony07 on Dec 14, 2007 15:37:37 GMT -5
Aren't these mares TBs??
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Post by mowhitney on Dec 14, 2007 16:04:05 GMT -5
OK!! Merry Christmas Everybody!!Lets have a happy New Year & ease up on the drama:) I've offered Swirl a home but someone has made an inquiry on her, so I'm backup. Here's my question... if another gets Swirl:) can I go for Splash? Does anybody remember Serendipity? Big bold black & white paint blind in one eye. Think of the pair they would make pulling a sleigh!!! I was compairing pics awhile ago. WOW!!! Just need a sleigh LOL So it becomes one or the other, and it's Fridayafternoon... Of course I'm apprehensive of the tooth problem??!!
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Post by pnp4kidz on Dec 14, 2007 16:07:40 GMT -5
It begs to ask now... if Lynn has this money raised... why isn't she going with Heidi down to the lot today and saving OTHER horses???
was this about saving horses or about something else?
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Post by ebony07 on Dec 14, 2007 16:14:39 GMT -5
exactly!! and WHY DO THEY CONTINUE TO THINK SOLSTACE IS A GELDING??!! LOL!! anyways...what an interesting last 24 hours.....let's get back to the real task at hand...saving the remaining horses stuck on that lot!!!  |
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Post by beckybee on Dec 14, 2007 16:36:24 GMT -5
It begs to ask now... if Lynn has this money raised... why isn't she going with Heidi down to the lot today and saving OTHER horses??? was this about saving horses or about something else? I know I'm a cynic, but it looks like the gals orchestrating this "save" knew all along that these two particular mares were registered with registerable (and potentially valuable) foals. This wasn't about "these two poor mares called out to me." I actually feel bad for the people who were used by this group, especially Lynn. I bet they know something about Solstace, too, they aren't telling. |
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Post by hasinger on Dec 14, 2007 16:43:27 GMT -5
We still have horses to save- The mares are safe- Let's move on and focus our energy on the remaining ones!!!
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Post by mowhitney on Dec 14, 2007 17:20:19 GMT -5
emailed with Splash's contact person, she's got 2 potential adopters comming tomorrow for her - Yeah- just passing on some good news!! Shawna said she thought Splash would have to do something really bad like bite, or kick for this one not to take her. I replied what was that about the teeth?lol
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Post by Admin on Dec 14, 2007 17:28:25 GMT -5
THAT is some wonderful news!!!
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Post by lynnaustintx on Dec 14, 2007 18:48:06 GMT -5
One last remark about this and I will not say another word. Lynn was not lieing. Chuck told Heidi she could buy the mares and then changed his mind. I have dealt with him personally when we pulled the Twin mares. He is not a nice person. End of story. We were also going to get Solstace pulled at the same time. We had the money already forwarded to Heidi. I have a wonderful home in Oregon just waiting for Solstace.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 14, 2007 18:55:57 GMT -5
If Lynn was not lying, then we must take her at her word that Chuck told her that he wouldn't sell to anyone else but Sam.
Either way, the horses are safe now, so everyone should be happy.
BTW, was your home for Solstace wanting a mare or a gelding?
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Post by pnp4kidz on Dec 14, 2007 19:00:39 GMT -5
Then they ought to go up there and buy her!
I dont' get it...
Chuck was the one who backed out of selling to Heidi... that is the kinda guy he is.
Solsace is still at the lot.
If you have the money, and Heidi can get her, then DOOOOOOO!!!!
we are here for the HORSES... not for CBER, not for Chuck...
the HORSES!!!
we don't care if you buy from Chuck or from CBER... just get them off that lot! asap!!!
we all are just trying to place these horses...
As for Lynn, I looked thru her whole web site today...
did you know she has only had horses for a year? on her own land...
and had only foaled out one?
she has only had 4 total... one came foaled out. one is a gelding.
And... that she doesn't have a barn yet? or full fencing yet?
I think it is kinda important before taking on 2 TB mares who are heavy in foal and likely due momentarily that you have a)experience in foaling... not just a desire to learn... and b) the facilities.... not an open pasture with a gelding and mares with older foals ... in winter... and her pics show a lot of mud... so she doesn't even have dry.
anyway, just my thoughts...
she was trying to do a good thing.... but prolly needs to start by building the barn, foaling stalls, paddocks, foal cam... and facilities and volunteers for the multi night watches... then go local and take in some predictable mares who can foal with her, and teach her... with a good resource on site... she needs some education on problems... and a built up fund for the babies.
We did mares and foals (PMU) 3 years ago... out of the 4 mares, 3 had good deliveries, 1 needed to be pulled. Out of the 4 babies, 2 went to Davis, and 1 had Plasma IV at home...
the grand total for rescue of those PMU babies??? well, right at $20,000. Good thing we have good jobs. Is she ready for that??? Her website does not lead me to believe she is, quite yet.
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Post by rescuestoribbons on Dec 14, 2007 19:09:59 GMT -5
Ok everyone! I personally think it is time to COOL OUR JETS!! The mares are safe in what sounds like a great home for them to have their babies right?! Tempers a a flyin' between the two boards, if we dont pick at them, they will stop picking at us.... so like the other 1 billion people have said...... LETS SAVE THESE HORSES!!! |
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Post by lynnaustintx on Dec 14, 2007 19:36:19 GMT -5
Kelly didn't care if Solstace was a mare or gelding. I know Solstace the mare is really a gelding!
We have the funds, QT, transport and a home for Solstace. Why would Sam let Chuck sell Solstace to Heidi if she wouldn't let Chuck sell the mares to her? Very curious. If she will give the ok for Heidi to get Solstace and Chuck will sell him...we can get him safe.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 14, 2007 19:42:47 GMT -5
Sam is doing nothing to stop Chuck from selling to whoever he wishes to. She not done anything to stop any of this and that is a fact. Why do you say that Solstace is a gelding? Did you go peek?  |
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 14, 2007 19:45:58 GMT -5
Kelly didn't care if Solstace was a mare or gelding. I know Solstace the mare is really a gelding! I just looked at the original photos (larger and better quality)... if Solstace is a gelding, then they cut off waaaaaaaaaaay more then they were supposed to when they gelded him. |
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Post by pnp4kidz on Dec 14, 2007 19:49:08 GMT -5
Sam doesnt' tell CHUCK what to do!!! what is with that?  Chuck is a feedlot owner. He does what he wants. Sam has done what others couldn't do and find a way to create a mutual tolerance of each other... and Chuck offered to Sam to let her place horses... I'm sure he finds this somehow a boom to his sales, but know what??? it's the horses only chance so far as I can see... if Sam wasn't strong enough to put up with this a$$hole, then the horses would all just ship, like they do at so many other lots. no chance at all. Because of Sam, and CBER, you even KNEW these horses existed... and Lynn... I bet there are hundreds of horses in your county right now on feedlots, going to Mexico this weekend to slaughter. Why are you not getting one? because you don't know they are there. Chuck is an a$$... we know this. and know what??? Heidi worked on the lot for years!!! She was right there on shipping day, every day... assessing horses. She knows how to contact Chuck herself. But she also knows Chuck is a jerk and only choses to allow a few people on his lot. He doesn't want the media showing up, or whatever... he surely doesn't want a repeat of a protest!!! So... he only wants Sam. and Phooey on everyone else. So, that is how it is! Chuck says who can visit 'that side' of the lot. There are lots more on the 'other side', the sales side... and Sam doesn't try to find those ones homes. Just the feedlot side ones. Now, Heidi knows Chuck... but he's a jerk and says dont' come back until Sunday (Truck day btw) what I'd guess he's saying is.... 'if CBER doesn't place them, and I don't need her to fill a truck.. you can have him for $XXX'... but that is my guess... so, you need to talk to Heidi, who needs to talk to Chuck!!! We dont' tell Sam what to do, and Sam SURELY doesn't tell Chuck what to do!!! We know Sam has to walk the finest line to even STAY in the graces of that jerk, otherwise those horses would have No chance. Get Heidi down there... Get your adopter down there... Get someone down there!!! or post bail!!! There ARE options... I personally figure there is no way Chuck would sell to me... and I think that if I went there, or called him myself, I'd prolly piss him off... and maybe by little me trying to save one single horse I piss him off... and he thinks I was trying to make around his 'method'... he might just get mad and toss Sam out... and then, what happens? ALL the horses lose. not just the one. |
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Post by ebony07 on Dec 14, 2007 19:54:26 GMT -5
Should we change Solstace's thread title to "Solstace: Mare or Gelding? How Does One Really Tell???" |
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Post by Admin on Dec 14, 2007 20:27:42 GMT -5
We can always change his or her name to PAT. hehe ;D
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Post by chrisw on Dec 14, 2007 20:53:28 GMT -5
LynnAustintx...has your friend filled out an application? I would think everyone would be happy to see her get a good home. If she is approved I wouldn't think CBER wouldn't let her buy her. But hurry time is short.
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Post by crum on Dec 14, 2007 20:56:42 GMT -5
You can tell by the photos that this horse is a mare. There is at least one fairly clean shot of between her hind legs from the front. I think the two fuzzy photos with the shadow from edge of the board in the gate behind her is confusing people into thinking she has a sheath.
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Post by lynnaustintx on Dec 14, 2007 21:32:41 GMT -5
Someone posted on one of the forums that Solstace was a gelding. I thought it came from a CBER person. I don't really care if the horse is a she or he.
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Post by lynnaustintx on Dec 14, 2007 21:34:47 GMT -5
Chris W....Why would my friend have to get approved by CBER if she was not going thru CBER to adopt her. My friend will not go thru CBER.
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Post by lynnaustintx on Dec 14, 2007 21:42:25 GMT -5
pnp4kidz... "and Lynn... I bet there are hundreds of horses in your county right now on feedlots, going to Mexico this weekend to slaughter. Why are you not getting one? because you don't know they are there." Well, guess what I saved with the help of the FOB's 60 mares, foals and pregnant mares from the Beltex slaughter feedlot in Morton, Texas in May, so I guess I did know they were there. Is that a good enough rescue for you. I know for a fact that Sam and others called Chuck about selling these horses to someone else. And that pissed him off. Then a mysterious adopter swooped in and paid for these mares. I am really happy they got off that lot. I just wish they would have gone with Lynn. Well, maybe just maybe Heidi could get Solstace off the lot for us if he does not find a home through CBER. Chuck isn't going to sell him now until he knows from Sam that she does not have the money for him. And that's a fact. |
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Post by lynnaustintx on Dec 14, 2007 22:09:01 GMT -5
"I know I'm a cynic, but it looks like the gals orchestrating this "save" knew all along that these two particular mares were registered with registerable (and potentially valuable) foals. This wasn't about "these two poor mares called out to me."
I actually feel bad for the people who were used by this group, especially Lynn.
I bet they know something about Solstace, too, they aren't telling."
You have got to be kidding right? I knew nothing about these mares and their lineage. I wasn't even involved with the rescue of these mares. I contacted Lynn to see if she would also get Solstace. That is the truth, so stop with these ridiculous accusations. We aren't down there getting Solstace right now because Chuck won't sell until he knows CBER can't sell them. If YOU want this horse to be saved tell Sam to let Chuck know she doesn't have any adopters and no money. Geez...
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Post by mykingdomforahorse on Dec 14, 2007 22:21:21 GMT -5
Nanci, you wrote: "Believe it or not, many of the feedlot horses actually get adopted out-right by people who don't know anything about this board - with LOTS of help from the members of this board to post ads and network across multiple forums to raise awareness." Very true. I think people would be surprised about how many people out there in cyberspace are reading or following the horses on the CBER website. I followed it for years, and I adopted Cloud outright knowing nothing about any rescue/horse boards on the internet even existing. Also, if I'd just wanted to adopt Cloud and not be a part of these kinds of forums, that would've been my call -- much like it's also the right of the private adopter of the two pregnant mares, when you think about it ... Em Where were the funds raised to pull the pregnant mares? I didn't see anyone posting her that they were donating for them. The funds sure got raised fast. My guess is that, since nothing was posted on this board, that a private adopter stepped up and paid for the mares. Much goes on behind the scenes that is private, if that is what the adopter wishes. Believe it or not, many of the feedlot horses actually get adopted out-right by people who don't know anything about this board - with LOTS of help from the members of this board to post ads and network across multiple forums to raise awareness. |
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Post by gsdmom on Dec 14, 2007 22:28:10 GMT -5
Read the posts on the ABR board. The final piece of the puzzle was when I read the post this afternoon about the identity of the mares and who they had been bred to. These mares dropped out of sight for awhile and then turned up on a web site. Come on people, no one was trying to "steal" these girls. Just trying to right a wrong. The girls would have been bought from Chuck except for some innocent mistakes. Let's just save the rest. Lynn has certainly "earned" the right to be on a rescue board. Because Tucker wouldn't negotiate Lynn was able to make a BIG save in Texas. Everyone needs to remember that without these people, that some of you are looking down on, many more CBER horses would have shipped. I'm sure there are people here that remember the 12 that we lost last year about this time to one truck all at once. Our board wasn't able to save them alone. Could we just help each other out???
Kathy
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Post by rescuestoribbons on Dec 14, 2007 22:41:04 GMT -5
"I know I'm a cynic, but it looks like the gals orchestrating this "save" knew all along that these two particular mares were registered with registerable (and potentially valuable) foals. This wasn't about "these two poor mares called out to me." I actually feel bad for the people who were used by this group, especially Lynn. I bet they know something about Solstace, too, they aren't telling." You have got to be kidding right? I knew nothing about these mares and their lineage. I wasn't even involved with the rescue of these mares. I contacted Lynn to see if she would also get Solstace. That is the truth, so stop with these ridiculous accusations. We aren't down there getting Solstace right now because Chuck won't sell until he knows CBER can't sell them. If YOU want this horse to be saved tell Sam to let Chuck know she doesn't have any adopters and no money. Geez... K.... I am not going to stir the pot anymore..... but we all just need to stop....... the mares are safe.... so why is everyone getting so pissy at each other, I am in high school and I don't see stuff this bad!! I would be happy to see Solstace go to a home, and I am sure others would be to, I just don't get why you are telling us that our board is so bad and how we have our heads in the sand. If you don't like the way we go about things then don't come on our board to just chew people out, if both rescue boards work together we could get so much more done for anti slaughter and saving horses. JMO, but yea, we all need to take a little breather, if ya have to take the night off the board till you feel calm again then do so, I am sure a lot of people are worked up over this and people posting negative things towards others is NOT helping ;D Lets move on and save the rest of the horse for Christmas! |
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Dec 14, 2007 22:47:05 GMT -5
Words of wisdom from rescuestoribbons!
Thank you my dear!
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Post by cybercat on Dec 14, 2007 22:52:51 GMT -5
rescuetoribbons- you are one very smart young lady! Please tell your parents that they are doing a wonderful job raising you...they must be VERY proud. And I am so proud of you for being willing to stand up in between the "big kids"........and say enough is enough... (And since your parents are so proud of you, I bet you can get them to let you adopt another horse...  ! Just kidding, kiddo! ;D ;D) |
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