NAOMI & BRITANY

[bookie]

The girls resting in QT, they are eating well. One of them has a snotty nose and has been started on penicillin. The computers are still down at CBER. They have satilite not DSL and the fog is thick as pea soup. I will get pictures of them as soon as I can. I'm not too good at getting the pictures up on the boards. May need some help.

Marlene

[lisam]

Where are they going for QT? I hope Lynn at PMR gets them. Her place is wonderful, and she had a great QT place all lined up for them.

[cybercat]

I promise, Marlene...

[mykingdomforahorse]

I don't post over there, never have and never will.

Em

[ebony07]

Em...thats the smartest thing I've heard all nite!!! Smart cookie you are!!!

[mykingdomforahorse]

{{{{{{{{{ Kirsten }}}}}}}}}}

Leanne says it best -- the darker stuff that happens over on some of the other boards can just suck all the fun and goodness out of horse rescue. Rescuing horses is happy stuff -- the good stuff! If I let it get all political and nasty and gloomy I'll burn out, because it's just too big a toll on the emotions. That's why I don't participate over there. It has no value for me.

The equines we lose already take such a big toll on my heart. That's the only toll I'll allow -- by and for the horses.

I do read over there occassionally -- mostly just to see who's who and who's doing what rescue-wise, and to learn more myself. But all too often it's disappointing and hateful.

I guess I'll never understand why so many people and different rescues are always fighting each other!

Em

[Maverick~Zora]

I've kept my mouth shut on the mares thread.

Well Em, trust me I still don't get it.

[lisam]

I have some questions about the mares--

Where are they right now?

Who paid their bail?

Who paid their QT?

[crum]

Possibly the most important question is do they need anything (funds, blankets, permanent homes, etc) still from those of us who are willing to help?

[lisam]

Lynn at PMR (Pregnant Mare Rescue) was all set up for them--money and all. It would be great if they could go to her, because then people could spend their money and resources saving some of the others.

[rescuestoribbons]

mykingdomforahorse said:

I don't post over there, never have and never will.

Em

Me either! I kinda like this board... just kinda though ;D just kidding I LOVE you all here!

[beckybee]

Lisa - IMHO until the horses are off the lot, CBER's responsibility is to get them off of there asap as soon as funds come in for them. They got bailed, Sam pulled them.

I don't know who Lynn's qt person was (kinda got confused with all the subterfuge) - Deb, Heidi (aka "Trish") or Lynn's cousin (is there a cousin, or was that part of the charade). It sounds like they spent at least last night at Sam's. Sam knows Heidi and Deb VERY well and knows their stable set up. I guarantee if Heidi or Deb are better set up to deal with these two mommas, Sam will be the first one to move them.

The mares can't come to California until they are healthy. Also, the person who bailed them effectively owns them for all intents and purposes, so where they go is up to them in the end. Would Lynn even take them now that they lost their game, or is it truly about the horses? If it is about the horses, getting them off the lot NOW, not Sunday (when Chuck apparently said Heidi could get them) should be everyone's priority.

I still don't understand the silly game they were paying. There are plenty of people willing to support CBER's adoption, qt, and fee policies. I think going around the back of an established rescue is an act of aggression, no matter how they want to paint it.

I don't know for sure, but I didn't hear that Lynn even filled out an adoption application. The PSs have to follow an established policy and can't waste their time "bartering" with someone who hasn't even taken the first step to fill out an application. CBER has perhaps dozens of people contacting the PSs each month saying "I want this horse" that never actually follow through. If CBER considered that horse "reserved" for that person, we would lose most of the horses to the truck waiting for them to follow through. Yes, I know Lynn is an "established, reputable" rescue, but how are the volunteers in Washington supposed to know this until they get the application? As an "established, reputable" rescue should unterstand the reasons for policies and procedures.

[lisam]

Perhaps you don't understand the way rescues usually deal with each other. At least other rescues. They help each other out. They don't charge extra fees. Why would Lynn fill out another application? She's a rescue. When I get animals from other rescues they don't charge me, and I don't charge them if they can take one or two off my hands if they are better able to care for them at the time.

Lynn wasn't actually getting the horses through CBER, so why would she fill out an application for them? I've read that Chuck often sells horses to others besides CBER, even after they've been listed by CBER. After Chuck decided to go back on his word (I truly believe that he did say he'd sell them to Lynn) and sell only through CBER--all it would have taken was for Sam to ask him to sell them to Lynn. Then three more horses could have been saved.

That money that paid for those two mares was already raised by Lynn's supporters. The RO board could have used the money they paid (or did they even pay? I never saw anyone from this board donate to them) for another horse.

Lynn was also going to pick up the grey as well. That would have been the costs for three horses that people at the RO board could have used to save other horses.

I'm so disappointed, as I've mentioned before. I don't know why you think this is a game.

[TashGaia]

I'm not sure why someone should be able to dictate who saves what horse. Did you read the part that said they were adopted by a private owner? Who is to say that person would have wanted one of the other horses? Lynn in her own post said that Chuck would not sell to anyone but Sam. Were we supposed to wait until shipping day and just HOPE that he didn't ship them? Then who is playing with lives?

[jenm]

Lynn did not have to fill out an application as she was not going through CBER. The problem was Lynn lied because she had not ever been in touch with Chuck and never even had permission to buy the mares despite what she posted.

CBER was 100% supportive of these horses going to PMR.

[paintedlady]

Arent there other horses still at the lot who need our attention now more than ever. We need to focus on them ;D

[gratefulknits]

Hear, Hear, Paintedlady! Let's get the focus back where it belongs, and leave the politickers to muck about in their own sh!t. We have horses to save, a truck comes on Sunday, that means we have until Saturday night to get homes homes homes and funds!

[ebony07]

YES!! WE NEED MEGA FOCUS ON TINA, SWIRL, SPLASH, MARLEY AND SOLSTACE!!! (I know Solstace has been getting A LOT of attention and Jen even said she will adopt her if need be...)

But poor TINA has had nothing!!! THEY STILL NEED OUR HELP!!!

[bookie]

Thank you PaintedLady for trying to get back to basics-saving the horses. As for the "gray one' called Solstace-when Sam was out picking up the mares and Alley and Bette-in the dark, by herself-Solstace was following her around. She seems to be a sweetheart. Before it got too dark, Sam was able to get a good look at her. Without Solstace standing in the mud and the muck, she appeared to be taller than originally thought. Chuck was able to clean up the grounds of the feedlot. I was out there, the muck just pulls your boot right off your foot.

As a side note-Chuck does not own a computer. I had a good laugh on that one. Chuck is not a computer kind of guy. He can get grumpy though.

Let's get Solstace saved and the rest of them!!

God Bless and Merry Christmas

[jessiegirl1981]

What he heck does it matter where they are as long as they are safe. Thats all that matters Sam did allow the twin mares to be adopted without fees and actually helped them out quite a bit. I think its partially an ego thing ..it has to be or else everyone would just be glad they are safe and comfortable. I dont like all the subterfuge that was going on either. I certainly dont know what happened with Deb and Heidi when they left but it speaks volumes that they lied when they were a part of the rescue. It seems like they were trying to stir some stuff up?

[lynnaustintx]

Where were the funds raised to pull the pregnant mares? I didn't see anyone posting her that they were donating for them. The funds sure got raised fast. Too bad Sam didn't pick up Solstace when she was at the lot.

[agilitygal]

Well, as usual, I don't know what has gone on. . . or. . .is still going on.

It sounds like these two pregnant mares are safe and off the lot. I am greatly relieved. Happy dance!

Now, my attention turns towards the others still awaiting rescue. . .especially those from the Kill Buyer who will be shipped to a horrible death in Mexico. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel this time (can't even afford Christmas presents) but these lives hang in the balance here and we are the ones who know about it. So, it's up to us.

[NanciK]

lynnaustintx said:

Where were the funds raised to pull the pregnant mares? I didn't see anyone posting her that they were donating for them. The funds sure got raised fast.

My guess is that, since nothing was posted on this board, that a private adopter stepped up and paid for the mares.

Much goes on behind the scenes that is private, if that is what the adopter wishes.

Believe it or not, many of the feedlot horses actually get adopted out-right by people who don't know anything about this board - with LOTS of help from the members of this board to post ads and network across multiple forums to raise awareness.

[lisam]

I'm wondering who the buyer is that got the mares? I didn't ever see anything posted here.

I have seen a post by a CBER volunteer that states that Chuck, does, indeed have access to a computer and reads what people post about him.

I'm sure that someone is lying, but why are you so sure it's Lynn? My feeling is that she's an innocent victim in all of this. She was trying to help but got slapped down.

I also have the feeling that people here at RO either have their heads in the sand and don't really know what's going on, or they are so wrapped up in CBER that they can't see anything else.

I have another feeling that my posts will most likely be deleted about this. Although I'm not a CBER hater or whatever you like to call them--I even adopted a horse from them through the immense generosity of the people on the ABR board.

[NanciK]

lisam said:

I'm wondering who the buyer is that got the mares? I didn't ever see anything posted here.

If it's like most out-right adoptions (someone who saw the website or one of our many photo ads all over the internet and contacted CBER directly), you likely never will.

Why should it?

Many people do many incredibly generous things on behalf of the feedlot horses that never gets mentioned here. Many wish to remain anonymous.

[Admin]

I am not liking where this thread is going.
Problem with CBER - call CBER
Problem with Lynn - call Lynn

THIS board is about rescuing PERIOD.

Got it???

[cybercat]

I personally think that we've had enough...and we all have a pretty good idea of where each of us stands.

I don't think anything else needs to be said at this point until we have FACTS and current info...and if we are not privy to such on this board, so be it.

Any questions, call CBER.

[marcia]

THANK YOU PEC, WELL SAID.

[TashGaia]

lisam said:

I'm wondering who the buyer is that got the mares? I didn't ever see anything posted here.

CBER never posts who adopts a horse. We give adopters the link to the boards (if they don't already have them) and leave it up to them to decide if they want to identify themselves. Often times people do, but some times they do not and that is their right.

[Maverick~Zora]

We really need to get back on track for the other horses both on the feed lot & the KB lot ASAP!