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Post by michellep on Aug 25, 2008 11:42:22 GMT -5
My lab has a small tear in her left hind knee and arthritis in both hips. I have been giving her baby aspirin for the pain/discomfort when needed and she is pretty good most days. Its the days that she runs hard after squirrles or rabbits that we have a problem. She was pretty bad over the weekend and was confined to the house (which she hated) and I had given her the baby aspirin for the pain. We have seen ads on RFD TV for Advanced CetylM as a good joint supplement. Has anyone tried this? Would it be hard on her liver? She has only been on it since Saturday afternoon and it takes a while to be effective. Just looking for some good opinions either way. Our only other alternative for her knee is surgery which I have heard both pros and cons on that also.
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Post by cutiepiepmu on Aug 25, 2008 14:23:08 GMT -5
First off - baby asprin is too low dose  Get the buffered ADULT asprin and give 2 - 325 mg tabs 2x daily. Give it with food so that it doesn't upset the tummy. I find that putting it into the kibble then adding some warm water over the top to disolve the asprin works great and they like the warm meal. 2nd - I can give alot of input on the cetylM. I worked as part of a group of independant research people to do some testing on this(and other stuff) and my own personal experience found that the product does NOT give the results seen on TV without increaseing the dose to nearly 5 times the recommended for dogs and almost 6 times for Horses with moderate to high arthritic changes or injuries. And even then - it was not quite as amazing as what was shown on TV. It should not hurt her liver or other organs as it is a naturally derived compound that is easily digested. I suggest at least doubling the dose - and buy it in the tubs for the horses and put int he kibble and add a little water to make it stick. It is cheaper that way. BUT - as far as outstanding products for dogs/horses in the joint and arthitis area - I strongly suggest putting your kid on Next Level Liquid. Amazingly - you are going to want to dose the same for your dog as you would for a 1000 pound horse because of the metabolism of the canine. Give 2 ounces(60cc's) daily for at least 14 days(prefer 30 days) then go to 1 ounce a day. You can give the CetylM WITH this product without conflict. Or for a cheaper alternative that is also beneficial - try 10 grams a day of MSM powder. Again, buy the bucket for horses - cheaper that way and easier to give than the pills. IMO - the knee surgery can be a blessing in a dog who is fit, middle age or younger, and who lacks serious arthritic changes. BUT - if the dog is an older dog showing serious arthritic changes in the joint, OR if it is for a dog that can't be kept calm for at least 3-5 weeks after - it is not going to be very beneficial. One option to consider is having your pup injected with Adequan(similar to the way a horse would be) and possibly doing a full adequan series with 7 -5ml doses given IM every 4 days(1 dose every 4 days) then a monthly booster. If you are comfortable giving IM shots to your dog, you could probably do this at home. Hope that helps.... It is hard to see our babies suffer. My old boxer gets very stiff and sore on certain days and it is hard to see my little Bendy dog not be so bendy. He is on the Next Level as well as flax oil, fish oil and Yucca. All have helped a great deal and eliminated the need for asprin except on a rare occasion. Take care, Sara |
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Post by countrygirl on Aug 25, 2008 15:21:57 GMT -5
I have my dog on Cetylm M and it does help him quite a bit. I didn't really want to give him a drug long term because of the potential liver damage (Thanks Sara for confirming that it won't hurt the liver). My guy can't get along without some sort of pain reliever- he can barely walk without it. Giving the Cetyl M allows him to run and play. He still has bad days but he is much better taking it than without it. He was on Rymidil (sp?) prior to trying the Cetyl M. He has a few bad discs in his back which cause quite a bit of pain. He has learned not to jump off the couch or bed and just barks to let us know that he wants down.  |
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Post by cutiepiepmu on Aug 25, 2008 15:47:15 GMT -5
Rymidill is nasty stuff. Has alot of side effects and IMO should not be used long term. I think joint supplementation is sort of a trial and error thing for many animals. Something that completely helps one - may not give as good of relief to others. I think the key is to be really in tune with what is going on with your kid - don't judge products too soon - but make note of changes you see -not only to mobility, but hunger, thirst, personality, ect.
Sara
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Post by michellep on Aug 25, 2008 17:22:37 GMT -5
Rymidill is bad news for the liver if the dog is on it for any length of time. Im hesitant on the surgery for her only for the fact that she is 6yrs old now and a very active dog. Loves to chase squirrles, rabbits, etc and I dont have a small pen to keep her confined in. She hates that anyways, she gave me the most god awful look when she was confined in the house this weekend. Silly dog, if she would just lay around and be lazy she would be fine. We will give the CetylM and Next Level a try together. I had her on the Next Level but ran out and saw the ads for CetylM so decided to try that. Hopefully this will relieve her pain.
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Post by shelberttk2 on Aug 26, 2008 0:40:45 GMT -5
Sara, can the horse adequan be used for dogs in a smaller dosage?
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Post by cutiepiepmu on Aug 26, 2008 1:14:59 GMT -5
Yuppers- same adequan for dogs as horses. Dose is actually nearly the same for dogs and horses. Generally any dog over 50 pounds will get the same dose(as long as it is not into the joint directly) as a horse. I never recommend someone doing an intrajoint injection at home - it needs to be mixed with antibiotics and a mild steriod to prevent infection s in the joint. BUT - you can do the shot IM with dogs. Pick a larger muscle to do the injection into.
Sara
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Post by quatzie on Aug 26, 2008 4:33:15 GMT -5
I have my 90 lbs dog on Adequan for about three years, the stuff is great. She get's 1.5 cc of the dog adequan about every 3 to 4 months. The loading does is 1.5 cc every 4 days for 5 injections.. for a 90 lbs dog. Check with your vet first ....
Oh I just an FYI get it from your vet... there is lots of fake stuff being sold over the inter-net so know who your dealing with..
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Get the buffered ADULT asprin and give 2 - 325 mg tabs 2x daily. Give it with food so that it doesn't upset the tummy. I find that putting it into the kibble then adding some warm water over the top to disolve the asprin works great and they like the warm meal. 
