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Post by pikzeedust on Nov 29, 2008 21:24:56 GMT -5
WAIT JUST A MINUTE! WHAT ABOUT POWDERED SUGAR AND COCOA?  What happened to them? I totally remember that was a mom and a baby, a little brown and white appy baby if I remember correctly. I thought they were adopted? Please tell me they are not dead! |
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Post by pikzeedust on Nov 29, 2008 21:28:41 GMT -5
I've heard rumors about the others and YES it is in the back of my mind but for a mare and foal what on Gods green earth would be the reason for that? Someone please explain. Actually I will inquire with CBER itself on this matter. I would like to know what happened to them if something really did happen to them.
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Post by lorsadoon on Nov 29, 2008 21:38:09 GMT -5
I've heard rumors about the others and YES it is in the back of my mind but for a mare and foal what on Gods green earth would be the reason for that? Someone please explain. Actually I will inquire with CBER itself on this matter. I would like to know what happened to them if something really did happen to them. Let us know if you find out something. But do not be suprised if you do not. Or you may get fed a bunch of lies. It took alot to get the truth about Lavender and Meadow. I think CBER does not realize that there are people out here that actually cared about specific horses. Ones that touched our hearts in some way. They figured we would forget about them after awhile so they just disappeared into oblivion with no explaination. |
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Post by barbpurple on Nov 29, 2008 22:42:38 GMT -5
yes do let know what happen if you can get some information..any right now would be great/
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Post by TashGaia on Nov 30, 2008 1:26:22 GMT -5
BTW, shelberttk2, how the heck did YOU get banned from CBER?
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Post by shelberttk2 on Nov 30, 2008 12:41:16 GMT -5
I'm Banned? Haven't been there forever and didn't even know....ha! Oh well, I'm busy doing rescue in my own back yard and don't have the time and energy to put up with their crazy nonsense.....
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Post by shelberttk2 on Nov 30, 2008 12:41:37 GMT -5
How did you know I am banned? My other computer with all of my links is down, so I haven't been able to go to CBER (Nor have I had the desire) in ages.....No love loss there.......like I said above, I"m cleaning up my own back yard.......
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Post by lorsadoon on Nov 30, 2008 14:57:01 GMT -5
When they ban someone from there it is too bad the member number did not reflect that.
I am sure most of the 1000 plus members are not members anymore.
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Post by cutiepiepmu on Nov 30, 2008 16:56:03 GMT -5
Wow - that was like reading a trig. problem in college Tash lolol!! funny!
Sara
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Post by lorsadoon on Nov 30, 2008 17:53:34 GMT -5
They have 699 member listed on the CBER board... of those 699 accounts, 431 are accounts who have never posted, activated, or logged in. That leaves 268 real accounts... of those 268 if you remove the folks who have posted less then 10 times, haven't logged in for months or have been banned you are left with 116 active accounts... which isn't taking into account that some of those accounts are not supporters but rather other rescues and onlookers. Now if you compare those 116 active accounts on their current CBER board to the 2000+ on the old CBER board, there are only 31 members from the old board (based off email addys) who are still with CBER. I guess it is clear to see then that alot of people have wised up. It is to bad, because the only ones suffering are the horses. Sad. If Sam had done things the right way, for the horses only and not for herself, things would of worked out so much better. She never "got it", but we did. |
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Post by acarlson1980 on Nov 30, 2008 18:49:53 GMT -5
penny... i know i a little late. but i didn't just sit there and let the bad stuff happen. i actually thought i could help. and i wasn't going to sit there and let the horses suffer. i actually helped. not just turned a blind eye. see everyone just sits here and says crap but does nothing about it. oh maybe by law they do. but they drive by and spy on them and see the conditions they are in and come on the computer and talk about it but nothing else. me, jess, and tash tryed are hardest to get the horses adopted out for her so they were out of her care. ya we were blind at first then now we see. just like a lot of people we are trying to make up for the mistakes. we are human right!
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Post by lorsadoon on Nov 30, 2008 21:32:21 GMT -5
So does this mean you are banned too? And they are now closing the site to viewing?
OH DARN. That way they can live in their...how did Karan put it?? Own little world.
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Post by TashGaia on Nov 30, 2008 21:52:57 GMT -5
I have never had an account on their board, otherwise I am sure I would be banned.
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Nov 30, 2008 23:06:52 GMT -5
What? re: "Although I like Dean I don't see one post about her conviction of several counts of animal cruelty on this board and it was very recent." Dean was recently convicted of animal cruelty??? Is this true? Oh, my. Hay for Horses That's funny, 2 posts that Bejoyful and I wrote were deleted. It seems that although you can attack one person here you can't look in your own back yard at people who you have stood by that have been convicted of cruelty to animals. Tash and Acarlson you were very supportive of Dean and would go to her facilities. Although I like Dean I don't see one post about her conviction of several counts of animal cruelty on this board and it was very recent. |
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Post by Tockita on Nov 30, 2008 23:19:13 GMT -5
For the record she was not found guilty.
Unfortunately our justice system has become one big squeeze play where all too often the guilty go unpunished, while others are boxed into pleading to things that are not true or over charged.
I can not say I that was the case here but it seems to have become the norm, where DAs care more about their conviction stats then they do about finding the truth.
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Post by TashGaia on Nov 30, 2008 23:29:15 GMT -5
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Nov 30, 2008 23:37:10 GMT -5
What the h*** is the reason that CBER was shooting horses? This is SOOOO disgusting! Are they STILL shooting horses??? Isn't this illegal in some way? They are a nonprofit and they are acting in a fraudulent way? Can CBER be legally charged? Aimee Hay for Horses They were sent to Wayne and he is the one who shoots the CBER horses. CBER says that Wayne adopted Powdered Sugar and Cocoa out to someone, but have never been able to provide a name or photo or absolutely anything that would indicate they were still alive... Trust me, I asked. I had offered Cocoa a home but they told me he couldn't be separated from his mother. Well, he would have been about 6 months old when he was sent off on that mystery future. |
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Post by TashGaia on Nov 30, 2008 23:38:57 GMT -5
No, it is not illegal to shoot horses...
However there well may be some issues of fraud there. Take for example Spring. Spring was bailed and had QT raised for her by donors (mostly FOBs)... but Spring was never even pulled from the lot. In cases like that, yes, I do believe that is illegal because those folks were donating for a specific cause and their money did not go to that cause.
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Post by pikzeedust on Nov 30, 2008 23:52:58 GMT -5
Per CBER, Cocoa and Powdered Sugar were sent to Wayne's from Deb and Wayne sold them to someone in the Seattle area. This is what I was told today when I inquired about the two.
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Nov 30, 2008 23:57:41 GMT -5
I KNOW that it is NOT illegal to shoot horses....well...maybe...if the horse SUFFERS from being shot then it is illegal. It is also illegal to shoot a horse without the owner's permission. But, what I am getting at is that a nonprofit org. is legally REQUIRED to LIVE UP TO what they SAY IN WRITING that they will do. This also includes what they say in promises, such as in adoption contracts, bailing out horses/requests for bail money/promises to SAVE the horse, etc. Fraud, right??? Taking $$ and lying about what the $$ is going to be used for??? I have worked for nonprofits and even assisted in starting one. I have worked with law enforcement and with judges and DA's. CBER is definitely a nonprofit that should be seriously investigated. Aimee Hay for Horses No, it is not illegal to shoot horses... However there well may be some issues of fraud there. Take for example Spring. Spring was bailed and had QT raised for her by donors (mostly FOBs)... but Spring was never even pulled from the lot. In cases like that, yes, I do believe that is illegal because those folks were donating for a specific cause and their money did not go to that cause. |
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 1, 2008 0:02:10 GMT -5
Wonderful. Then I suppose CBER will be able to provide a photo update? Funny that as of April of this year they didn't know where they went, but now they do...
And how about all the others that were sent there? Including the ones from Sam herself. And let's not forget the mares that were sent there to live out their lives as broodmares.
Here's a quick and incomplete list:
Antigua
Applejax
Aqua Bay
Chai
Coffee
Cozumel
Dandelion
Latte
Lauren
Pastel
Powder Suger and Cocoa
Spruce
Vesper
3/9/07 - Unidentified Blk mare
3/9/07 - Unidentified yellow mare
6/21/07 - Unidentified TB bay mare
Aimee there is a whole load of stuff CBER could be investigated for including fraud and private inurement.
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Post by NanciK on Dec 1, 2008 0:33:09 GMT -5
OK, can someone please explain just why we are thrashing through all the CBER drama ... AGAIN?
I thought that this was the non-CBER board?
Lots of drama, lots of time and effort looking into website stats, re-hashing old info ... c'mon people, there are TONS of horses out there needing your time and effort.
Why on earth waste your time posting on this topic which has been rehashed time and again, here and elsewhere?
This seems a little too much like high school drama to me.
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Post by leosolis on Dec 1, 2008 1:19:11 GMT -5
OK, can someone please explain just why we are thrashing through all the CBER drama ... AGAIN? I thought that this was the non-CBER board? Lots of drama, lots of time and effort looking into website stats, re-hashing old info ... c'mon people, there are TONS of horses out there needing your time and effort. Why on earth waste your time posting on this topic which has been rehashed time and again, here and elsewhere? This seems a little too much like high school drama to me. If CBER got some morals somewhere let me know....but as of I dunno 5 minutes ago they were posting about how horses that had been seized by Benton County & were in the care of another rescue were currently at Chucks feedlot....they need to learn how to do there homework, since neither of the horses they have listed were ever seized by Benton County & were never in my care. They also claim to not be attaching the $150 cber fee, which considering one of the horses sold for $35 & is now $829.15 and the other sold for $90 and is now $772.50 I think they need to talk with Chuck...Sam used to get on my case about Dave's prices...I would imagine Chuck must have the same problem that Dave used to & has to attach a $50 "personal kickback" payable to Sam on each horse. I am sure that Sam will post something about her mothers health (which I sincerely hope improves) & how disappointed she is in me for saying untruths. Anyone wanting copies of the checks wrote to Sam from Dave needs to email me & I will scan them in & email them to you. And when I found out that Sam was personally profitting from my hardwork, dedication & expense (since I drove my own truck, trailer & paid for my fuel) well words can't explain my disappointment in Sam. |
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 1, 2008 1:49:10 GMT -5
So, just some quick math here... making assumptions that the above post is correct in regards to Chuck as well as Dave...
Sam is always posting that CBER has rescued 3,500 horses. If, theoretically, she was getting a $50 kickback for each horse that would be approximately $175,000.
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Post by hayforhorses - The Food Angel on Dec 1, 2008 2:44:23 GMT -5
"thrashing through all the CBER drama" is NOT "high school drama"...!!!! All of this crap that is coming to light that CBER has done and is doing HAS TO STOP! What they have done and are now doing is illegal, immoral, amoral, and shows how selfish, greedy and without a conscious they are. If we and especially others who know upfront what CBER's crimes are let this keep on happening and doing nothing is LETTING HORSES SUFFER!!!! Isn't this what we are here for, to SAVE horses??? If we see and know that horses are suffering and being used to make money off and horses are being killed to end up just making money, then aren't the horses all around us suffering??? The money that so many of us gave to CBER to save horses is just put into their personal pockets and is not being used to really save horses. So, then, more horses starve to death and are neglected and abused because that $$ we gave to CBER is not there for their help. I am ragefully disgusted and extremely shocked at what CBER is doing to horses and to people who love horses and who are 'fooled' by their greediness and amoral acts, not to mention, what has been done to so many of those horses that were supposedly 'under their care.' The longer people who just stand around and do nothing about CBER is just allowing more horses to be shot, including the horses that will not be fed and/or saved in the future because that $$ is gone. Anyone who knows exactly and for sure what CBER has done and is doing and then does or says nothing to the appropriate authorities....well...then, you get my drift.  Aimee Hay for Horses OK, can someone please explain just why we are thrashing through all the CBER drama ... AGAIN? I thought that this was the non-CBER board? Lots of drama, lots of time and effort looking into website stats, re-hashing old info ... c'mon people, there are TONS of horses out there needing your time and effort. Why on earth waste your time posting on this topic which has been rehashed time and again, here and elsewhere? This seems a little too much like high school drama to me. |
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Post by halfwayhome on Dec 1, 2008 2:46:29 GMT -5
And I have proof that many of the horses they claimed to "only" add $150 on in fact had $175, 200, 225, 250 and in some cases even more if S thought they could get it. When I would protest that it made rescue horses too expensive and that we could not then say that we never added more than $150, I would receive lectures about how the rescue needed money and that was how it worked. If I ever happened to add less ( in the cases of young horses, thin horses or horses Chuck gave CBER for $50) I would get in trouble... this is only part of the reason I left, and as someone else says, we each have things we personally witnessed with them that caused us to leave.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 1, 2008 2:51:05 GMT -5
Heck, I have gone to the feedlot with other folks (the last time was June 08) and asked Chuck about the different CBER horses. They were all between $300-$400, but they were listed on the CBER website as $600-$800.
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Post by leosolis on Dec 1, 2008 2:52:03 GMT -5
And I have proof that many of the horses they claimed to "only" add $150 on in fact had $175, 200, 225, 250 and in some cases even more if S thought they could get it. When I would protest that it made rescue horses too expensive and that we could not then say that we never added more than $150, I would receive lectures about how the rescue needed money and that was how it worked. If I ever happened to add less ( in the cases of young horses, thin horses or horses Chuck gave CBER for $50) I would get in trouble... this is only part of the reason I left, and as someone else says, we each have things we personally witnessed with them that caused us to leave. the $150 manditory fee is what drove me away. Not every single horse could handle that much added to there price & shipped because of it. I as under the impression it was about helping horses not helping horses only if Sam can make a dollar. IMO if someone is going to spend a $1000 on a horse (average cost of a cber horse after being at Sam's) they are going to go buy a horse they can know the history on, most people adopting our rescues are doing so because they want to help not be taken for every possible penny. Imagine how many people she has turned againest rescue in general just because of the sheer cost of getting a cber horse. Don't get me wrong I love my cber horse dearly, but I know of many that will spend there money on a horse from a private seller because of CBER. |
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 1, 2008 3:40:58 GMT -5
These were just deleted off of the CBER board... but I saved a copy and Leosolis has requested that I post them over here. Please note, I have removed Diane's address in this posting, but it was not removed in the post. Well it figures that this horse did not come out of a seizure because he is a wonderfully trained horse with good ground manners. Of all the horses that have been listed, this is one who fell through the cracks. His mane is trimmed and his tail is braided. Someone loved him. I will ask Karen to verify the info Shawna and please forward copies of all the checks so I can send them to the BOD and the attorney. I can't imagine why Dave would do anything more then cover Sam's gas expenses unless he was desparate to help save some horses from slaughter. Poor guy. This could cause him to take a big fall as well if your information is accurate. My address is Diane Repp xxxxx SE xxxth Ct Auburn, Wa. 98092 and he would take a big fall HOW? and WHY? because he wrote checks to Sam for a kickback? Your attorney is more than welcome to send me a letter requesting the information, or better yet send me your attorneys address & name & I"ll have Dave's attorney send it to them directly & you & I can stay out of the middle of all this. Another Question...why would Dave be paying for Sam's fuel? Sam never paid me for mine & I am the one who went to the feedlot..Sam was there exactly 3 times...I was there twice a week & never had any reimbursement for fuel...are you saying that Sam was taking money that should of been given to the actual person going to the feedlot? which would be me...& she knows where to send the check if thats the case. |
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Post by leosolis on Dec 1, 2008 3:55:19 GMT -5
and the coverup begins.....the problem with CBER is that it never seems to end...they just cover up or delete one thing after another. Did it ever occur to anyone over there to just stop doing things they should be ashamed of doing or may have to say sorry for later? |
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