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Post by waredhead70 on Sept 30, 2009 4:25:01 GMT -5
just out of curiousity since most of you do rescue work i am wondering how a person goes about picking a certain group of horses..would you take a group of 20 plus that are bomb proof over a group of say 3- 10 yr old that may need some more work?? and what would be the reason for it? i have a hard time with leaving young horses to be shipped to slaughter yet taking all the older horses that don't have a lot more years to give a new owner..just looking for some feedback on whys? thank you
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Post by pnp4kidz on Sept 30, 2009 12:15:52 GMT -5
We all have our calling. Some of us see the spark in a young horse's eye, and find that compelling, some see it in the TBs, some see it in the mules! Some see it in the oldsters that have given their lives to humans, and now should live out the last days in and with dignity...
so, you see, there are as many reasons as there are horses, and rescuers.
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Post by rodeo51 on Sept 30, 2009 14:47:00 GMT -5
We all have our calling. Some of us see the spark in a young horse's eye, and find that compelling, some see it in the TBs, some see it in the mules! Some see it in the oldsters that have given their lives to humans, and now should live out the last days in and with dignity... so, you see, there are as many reasons as there are horses, and rescuers. Good answer :-) |
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Post by lorsadoon on Sept 30, 2009 16:46:31 GMT -5
just out of curiousity since most of you do rescue work i am wondering how a person goes about picking a certain group of horses..would you take a group of 20 plus that are bomb proof over a group of say 3- 10 yr old that may need some more work?? and what would be the reason for it? i have a hard time with leaving young horses to be shipped to slaughter yet taking all the older horses that don't have a lot more years to give a new owner..just looking for some feedback on whys? thank you jimi, why do you want to know? Is it because SOS has a large group of older horses now? |
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Post by rodeo51 on Sept 30, 2009 18:13:41 GMT -5
just out of curiousity since most of you do rescue work i am wondering how a person goes about picking a certain group of horses..would you take a group of 20 plus that are bomb proof over a group of say 3- 10 yr old that may need some more work?? and what would be the reason for it? i have a hard time with leaving young horses to be shipped to slaughter yet taking all the older horses that don't have a lot more years to give a new owner..just looking for some feedback on whys? thank you I don't think it matters why someone saves a horse but that the horse is given a chance. All of us have rescued many different types and ages of horses and what it comes down to is we're all for the horses. |
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Post by chatty on Sept 30, 2009 18:48:53 GMT -5
For me, had to look at our backgrounds.... I was a FF / EMT and that special thing with animals...Some say it's spooky... Bob had AC and ton of horse background.... So, we rescue the ones that really need us....Mares in foal, injured, babies and that one that catches ones eye.... Put a limit on the number you can care for....Don't except to do a steady turn over.... Know breeds, age and sex people want....As training is not the only thing people look for.... Good Luck...  chatty |
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Post by caryn on Sept 30, 2009 19:25:47 GMT -5
just out of curiousity since most of you do rescue work i am wondering how a person goes about picking a certain group of horses..would you take a group of 20 plus that are bomb proof over a group of say 3- 10 yr old that may need some more work?? and what would be the reason for it? i have a hard time with leaving young horses to be shipped to slaughter yet taking all the older horses that don't have a lot more years to give a new owner..just looking for some feedback on whys? thank you I know there are a lot of people who "have a hard time with leaving young horses to be shipped to slaughter yet taking all the older horses...". I'm not one of them. Of course, we would all prefer to see them all rescued, but I understand that there are a limited number of homes available. I also understand the frustration of knowing that we cannot save them all. I do see why people "feel" that it might be better to focus on rescuing the younger horses, but I still don't feel that rescuing the younger ones as opposed to the older ones is the answer. I really don't. A horse in need is a horse in need and a horse's life is of equal value to me despite the number of possible productive years left. In answer to your question, I have adopted 2 from the feedlot. One older and one younger. They just "called" to me and I don't have an explanation as to why them and not another. They are two of my best friends now Every horse deserves a loving home and no horse should endure the heinous brutality of slaughter. Just my 2 cents on the matter. |
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Post by waredhead70 on Sept 30, 2009 21:38:02 GMT -5
so your saying that it shouldn't matter how old the horse is and what physical pain it is in, and yes lorsa it has to do with what i saw out of 11 horses only 1 is under the age 19 and 1 is lame with a bad hip yet they are willing to adopt it out as a pasture pet..how much pain is that poor horse in.and 1 volunteers answer was we have to get out for a vet to come look at it so now we have more donations needed...and if an adopter comes forward and pays for it do you then call and say sorry you wasted the money on the poor horse we euthanized it when in reality maybe the rescue groups need to stand up to their horse trader partners and say "hay if this is what you are buying is lame horses that we have to collect funds for and then euthanize we will see you at the auction and buy them ourselves"...maybe you people do not realize the suffering some people have gone thru when this has happened to them recently thru your organization lorsa. it doesn't make sense..all of them cannot be saved and that is reality and it sucks but my god how much pain is that 27 yr old mare in or however old she is?? can you answer that lorsa?? cause no one else seems to be able to
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Post by waredhead70 on Sept 30, 2009 21:41:55 GMT -5
i agree with you pnp ,but should they live their lives out in pain or being rodeod by some10 yr old hellion because they are bomb proof ? they deserve better then that..doesn't anyone have a retirement facility for old horses? an old vet in sw washington use to do old retired tbs and his grandkids came out on weekends and gave them baths and brushed them and gave them treats.they were never ridden at his farm just enjoyed.
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Post by dugan on Sept 30, 2009 23:16:09 GMT -5
so your saying that it shouldn't matter how old the horse is and what physical pain it is in, and yes lorsa it has to do with what i saw out of 11 horses only 1 is under the age 19 and 1 is lame with a bad hip yet they are willing to adopt it out as a pasture pet..how much pain is that poor horse in.and 1 volunteers answer was we have to get out for a vet to come look at it so now we have more donations needed...and if an adopter comes forward and pays for it do you then call and say sorry you wasted the money on the poor horse we euthanized it when in reality maybe the rescue groups need to stand up to their horse trader partners and say "hay if this is what you are buying is lame horses that we have to collect funds for and then euthanize we will see you at the auction and buy them ourselves"...maybe you people do not realize the suffering some people have gone thru when this has happened to them recently thru your organization lorsa. it doesn't make sense..all of them cannot be saved and that is reality and it sucks but my god how much pain is that 27 yr old mare in or however old she is?? can you answer that lorsa?? cause no one else seems to be able to waredhead your so smart....it would be so much better to just ship the horse that can walk across the border to mexico than to list her & help her out. I am quite sure the 27 year old mare would prefer to take the long trailer ride cramped in a trailer to then be yee hawed across the border...Smart smart woman you are. |
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Post by TashGaia on Sept 30, 2009 23:36:33 GMT -5
I don't know about other folks... but in my experience, people are most looking for bomb proof beginner safe horses. And, as everyone knows... a dependable kids' horse is worth it's weight in gold. Personally I would rather rescue kids horses then OTTB's any day, and yet I know other folks prefer the OTTB's... so I guess what you rescue is just dependent upon your own feelings. A wise person once advised me not to criticize other folks' choice in rescue, but rather that if I thought I could do better that I ought to just do it... then both types of horses get rescued and that is always best.
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Post by rodeo51 on Sept 30, 2009 23:43:03 GMT -5
I agree with you Tash....the bomb proof kids safe horses are always wanted.
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Post by gratefulknits on Sept 30, 2009 23:52:13 GMT -5
waredhead, I hope you didn't start this thread to pick a fight, but that instead you are truly CURIOUS. There are no 'best horses' to rescue because rescue is of itself a very emotional undertaking. Therefore each individual rescuer will have his or her own criteria, which might vary moment by moment. There is nothing wrong with that except in the eyes of the beholder, which I guess in this case is you. I see where you wrote "so your [sic] saying that it shouldn't matter how old the horse is or what physical pain it is in". First, the poster you were responding to didn't say that at all; that is your inference not her implication. Secondly, however, there are some of us who would argue that it does matter. A horse in pain will not only face a horrific death but an agonizing trailer ride of many days duration in order to GET to that death. That does matter to some people. For example, it matters a great deal to Joe Shelton of TB Friends, who has purchased many horses from the killbuyers knowing full well that the horse was coming to his ranch to live a few more days, then die in peace.
On the other hand, if you did start this thread because you are hoping to start a fight, or to get someone to take sides with you in some argument you are having on another board, please just take it elsewhere. We really aren't interested in that kind of childish behaviour here.
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 1, 2009 2:35:02 GMT -5
no dugan i didnt say ship the horse to slaughter,i think any livestock hauled in large trailers is inhumane whether it is horses or cattle. i said if that is what the horse traders the rescues are brokering for is buying lame horses then stop supporting them and go to the auctions yourselves..but it isnt humane to have them standing around waiting for donations and in pain since noone will get a vet out untill someone foots the bill thru donations..
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 1, 2009 2:45:08 GMT -5
no grateful i was just curious how rescue groups choose a lot of old horses and no her ad doesnt say the mare is in pain but says she has a bad hip so without vet attention how does anyone know it isn't in pain..and i didnt say what group had them lorsa did..and DUGAN how do you know they are yeehawed across the border?? i know for a fact they are not yee hawed across the border..i have a friend that has recently moved to the mexico side and does rescue down there and actually alot of slaughter horses shipped down there that are young or halfway healthy end up being turned loose down there..the biggest problem with the loose horses is that people feed them drugs and try to yee haw them back across the border and border patrol on both sides shoot these poor animals which is what her group is fighting for is to have border patrol quit shooting them so no i do not believe in slaughtering horses but as a vet tech i do not believe in allowing animals to stand around suffering..
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 1, 2009 2:54:41 GMT -5
tash bomb proof horses are worth their weight in gold but they can be bomb proofed under 20.. i had an appy stallion when he was a 4 yr old my son was 5 and he loaded him in the horse trailer and would take him in and out to his turnout every morning while i did the other horses, he absolutely loved kids .. i also do not rescue OTTB which people keep saying, yesterday was a 7 yr old buckskin appy that someone deserted in a stable over 5 months ago and never came back so they decided to maybe try to find him a home finally and saturday morning is a 8 yr old paint and a grey roan appy bomb proof horse way under 20..and then when the owner adjusts to being down to just 1 horse we will be going and picking up a 2 yr old appy/morgan filly to place in a new home..so as you can see non are off the track just coming out of bad home situations..yes grateful i have looked at joe's site and he has a nice set up and he is a very compassionate man but a lot of the old and dying horses he ends up with he does not appear to be buying or asking for donations to buy it either. a lot of the stories i have read is people call him or just drop the older ones off there.
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 1, 2009 8:46:39 GMT -5
and grateful i asked the question because up until recently i have stayed away from commercial rescues and have dealt with smaller ones that rehome so i was curious when i saw that recent ad why a rescue would take such a large group of older horses all at once when rehoming a horse with arthritis or no teeth or lame or 27 is gotta be harder then rehoming a horse period in this economy..senior horses are not cheap to keep..i also have 2 older horses that i have had since 1 was a 3 yr old now 18 and another was 5 and now he is 23. i have 1 that is 14 this year and i have 2 projects for the winter and they just turned 4 and non are TBs by the way.so i do know a lil about feeding all different age groups..but i do appreciate you guys defensively attacking me right off the bat..way to make people wanna post on your website.
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 1, 2009 9:07:43 GMT -5
rodeo51 as a horse trader i can see wanting bomb proof turn around quick horses but for rescuing i would think when you pick up a group of horses if there was variety in age you could have more options for adopting out since people are looking for all different types, and there are many different rescue up online these days..a string of camp horses probably would be good in early spring where people will be buying horses for their lil kids, but the everyday backyard horse owner is probably thinking about the cost of feed for the upcoming winter.and older horses have a tendency to cost more to put weight on and some in just maintaining it not to mention medical issues .if people that are looking at these horses are not weighing the issues they are probably not somone that should own a senior horse because they should be monetarily ready when they get a sr. to have vet work and teeth floating right off the bat if needed.
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Post by icehorse on Oct 1, 2009 9:44:09 GMT -5
this same rescue you are speaking of took over 20 yearlings last year to help place them. A lot of their care was not covered by donations. I think there are still a few left they are trying to place. At least with these camp horses you are not taking on a horse with dangerous issues. If you'd been following this rescue, you'd see that they do offer a variety of ages, types every month. Stick around and you may find one you just can't live without.  |
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 1, 2009 9:53:38 GMT -5
yes ice i do know about the yearlings i also know the story was something about they had been used in strangles research..if thats the case how many were adopted out and caused illness where they went..but the dept of agriculture says that it is not true and that anyone that injects animals with infections and illnesses does not put those animals back in to the public..also i know that when the brand inspector showed up due to state mandatory QT on those 20 he found like oh 4 on her property and says the rest were spread out over 6 different places in washington state..so those probably were not good examples..i also saw where she threatened to euthanize a 2 yr old colt if her volunteers did not raise more funds to get him gelded...what a reason to get killed, all because he has balls...though there is a few with balls and 2 legs i share that sentiment with but not any with 4 legs..and all actuallity ICE heath would be the one i would adopt do to worrying about him being somewhere he is not wanted, that may not be the best for a young stallion..
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Post by chatty on Oct 1, 2009 10:22:11 GMT -5
yes ice i do know about the yearlings i also know the story was something about they had been used in strangles research..if thats the case how many were adopted out and caused illness where they went..but the dept of agriculture says that it is not true and that anyone that injects animals with infections and illnesses does not put those animals back in to the public..also i know that when the brand inspector showed up due to state mandatory QT on those 20 he found like oh 4 on her property and says the rest were spread out over 6 different places in washington state..so those probably were not good examples..i also saw where she threatened to euthanize a 2 yr old colt if her volunteers did not raise more funds to get him gelded...what a reason to get killed, all because he has balls...though there is a few with balls and 2 legs i share that sentiment with but not any with 4 legs..and all actuallity ICE heath would be the one i would adopt do to worrying about him being somewhere he is not wanted, that may not be the best for a young stallion.. HI icehorse.....Ok, lets talk people...... Feedlot owners and horse traders can put up what ever horse they want you to adopt (buy)....You can take it home or walk away.... We have put out anywhere from $ 20-1400 to rescue a horse...And times (weekly) turn down horses as we can't take any more Lifers.... By word of mouth, horse trader and auction you can help alot of will trained horses.... We also have a NO BREEDING policy.....Why add more to the market.... And with a NO FEE adoption, we still have a hard time finding homes.... So to answer the question "Which type of horses to rescue ?".... That's up to you....Everyone of us do it for our own reasons and in our own way.... None are the wrong ways, just different...... Have a nice day all....chatty |
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Post by paintedlady on Oct 1, 2009 10:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by paintedlady on Oct 1, 2009 10:31:41 GMT -5
yes ice i do know about the yearlings i also know the story was something about they had been used in strangles research..if thats the case how many were adopted out and caused illness where they went..but the dept of agriculture says that it is not true and that anyone that injects animals with infections and illnesses does not put those animals back in to the public..also i know that when the brand inspector showed up due to state mandatory QT on those 20 he found like oh 4 on her property and says the rest were spread out over 6 different places in washington state..so those probably were not good examples..i also saw where she threatened to euthanize a 2 yr old colt if her volunteers did not raise more funds to get him gelded...what a reason to get killed, all because he has balls...though there is a few with balls and 2 legs i share that sentiment with but not any with 4 legs..and all actuallity ICE heath would be the one i would adopt do to worrying about him being somewhere he is not wanted, that may not be the best for a young stallion..  |
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Post by icehorse on Oct 1, 2009 11:16:02 GMT -5
yeah, I guess it all depends on which a hole backyard breeder wants to dump their foals that week. Or which a hole person wants to dump thier old steed that's given them 20 years of service. Or which camp decides their whole herd is expendable. I don't think we really have a choice on who is gonna dump thier horse. We're just here to clean up the mess.
Hey there Chatty, how are things?
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 1, 2009 11:27:02 GMT -5
you are right chatty at this time it is hard to give away horses..in okanagan county last winter there was a QH farm giving away free horses trained out the gazoo with papers...it was unbelievable how bad it sank last year with the price of hay going so high.then you look at craigslist in the midwest and east coast and it didn't seem to hit them that hard or at least their private horse prices didn't show it but when you look at rescues back there they are full too..just hope when the eu stops taking american horsemeat that mexico and canada will not take it if there is no market..
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Post by leosolis on Oct 1, 2009 11:54:41 GMT -5
yes ice i do know about the yearlings i also know the story was something about they had been used in strangles research..if thats the case how many were adopted out and caused illness where they went..but the dept of agriculture says that it is not true and that anyone that injects animals with infections and illnesses does not put those animals back in to the public..also i know that when the brand inspector showed up due to state mandatory QT on those 20 he found like oh 4 on her property and says the rest were spread out over 6 different places in washington state..so those probably were not good examples..i also saw where she threatened to euthanize a 2 yr old colt if her volunteers did not raise more funds to get him gelded...what a reason to get killed, all because he has balls...though there is a few with balls and 2 legs i share that sentiment with but not any with 4 legs..and all actuallity ICE heath would be the one i would adopt do to worrying about him being somewhere he is not wanted, that may not be the best for a young stallion.. You are confusing 2 very different groups of horses that were at my place. The yearlings didn't come from the state of washington, so the dept. of Ag nor WSU wouldn't know anything about them. What was there history? did it include being test cases for Stangles vaccines? Maybe..I was told that is why there was such a large group. I was also told they all had papers & were really easy to handle. NEITHER of those 2 statements proved true. WHAT IS TRUE IS WHERE THEY WERE HEADED..and that alone was enough for SOS to help them. They were NOT headed to slaughter, they were headed to the mexican rodeo contractor to be used for horse tripping. So irrigardless of there previous history, SOS was concerned only about there future. The only animals on a state hold at my facility were horses that I personally as an individual (nothing to do with SOS) assisted the county in seizing. Those horses were on a state hold & it involved 3 different facilities. The hold came about a month after the horses were already in place and was served at each facility. Lastly, Heath was not my decision alone. This is where you are incorrect about alot of things. It was left up to everyone at SOS, Heath is a crypt he only has one testical so gelding him is more expensive than normal. Actually several of your new friends thought putting him down was wiser than gelding him, since it is expensive. We have the funds to geld him, he is scheduled to be gelded before November. As far as Maude is concerned, she is very legal to ship. She isn't dragging her hip, she is simply off & very old. SOS has made a difference in the lives of many horses who I somehow doubt if they were old or young, just very thankful we did what we could to help. |
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Post by TashGaia on Oct 1, 2009 12:46:19 GMT -5
Jimi, my statement about OTTB's was not directed at you personally nor were you named in any way, so there is no need to take it as such... It was just the first breed that I could come up with off the top of my head that has several prominent rescues dedicated solely to one breed/type.
My point was that folks will rescue what they want to rescue and that it is unfortunate to throw stones at someone's choice... after all, all the horses deserve a chance, not just the ones that suite a particular person's idea of what ought to be rescued or not.
As for the yearlings... I took one of them... an Appy colt that I named Dingo. Dingo is a very special little colt who was involved in a seizure in Idaho from a farm that I paid attention to... several of those yearlings were also foals from that farm and they all have been positively identified, so I do know that at least they came from out of state. As for Strangles... Dingo has never gotten sick since I got him, and none of the horses he was around over here ever got sick either.
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Post by lorsadoon on Oct 1, 2009 16:33:47 GMT -5
I was going to try to respond to waredhead about the choices people make when picking out which horses to rescue. But when I logged on and noticed I had a message, boy was I suprised. And not pleasantly.
Please ignore this illmannered person. She does not deserve any of our attempts to communicate to her.
See the post titled, Waredhead, you sure are classy!
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Post by sacreddog on Oct 1, 2009 22:50:31 GMT -5
I would like to answer this question.
I will choose the oldtimer over the youngster nearly every time. The senior horses have given the best years of their lives as saddle horses, brood mares, teachers and friends. To me it is the ultimate betrayal to send them through an auction or sell them to the k.b. when their productive years are over. I measure a person's character by how they dispose of their loyal friends and/or beasts of burden.
I have come to realize, sadly, that I cannot save them all, but at least I can show the elders the respect they deserve, even it if means I have them humanely destroyed. A few days in a pasture with a dose of bute for pain and all the carrots they can eat sure beats the hell out of a ride on a slaughter truck, imo.
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Post by halfwayhome on Oct 2, 2009 2:01:21 GMT -5
I would like to answer this question. I will choose the oldtimer over the youngster nearly every time. The senior horses have given the best years of their lives as saddle horses, brood mares, teachers and friends. To me it is the ultimate betrayal to send them through an auction or sell them to the k.b. when their productive years are over. I measure a person's character by how they dispose of their loyal friends and/or beasts of burden. I have come to realize, sadly, that I cannot save them all, but at least I can show the elders the respect they deserve, even it if means I have them humanely destroyed. A few days in a pasture with a dose of bute for pain and all the carrots they can eat sure beats the hell out of a ride on a slaughter truck, imo. Thank you Sacreddog, that's a ditto from me on this, you said it perfectly. |
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