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Post by leosolis on Oct 2, 2009 15:54:29 GMT -5
I feel the need to attack? I "attack" when someone is outright lying thru there teeth Joann like you currently are. Here is a good example..why on earth would you be asking me about her limitations if I hadn't told you that she was navicular & had some? BTW...dustyboots is has used Yoda for the last month & she has never been given anymore than a supplement & eggbar shoes.
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Hi there,
Will you explain to me a little more what is going on with Yoda and what care she needs as well as what she can and can't do. When I talked to you this is what I got. She may need special shoes and supplements but would be fine to ride if those things were provided.
What we would be doing with her is the kids would be riding her around here. Stevie would be doing 4-h and some open shows. Shawn said he could get the the fince back up now that the snow is starting to melt off so she could be here in the pasture. The thing is the kids like to ride alot when it is nice out so could Yoda handle that..I don't mind if she needs extra care to be sound but we do need a horse that the kids can ride when they want to.
Let me know what you think and also more info on Yoda would be great.
Talk to ya soon
JoAnn
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Post by hasinger on Oct 2, 2009 16:06:05 GMT -5
I think it would be hard for a horse to get lice from chickens withou even being arund the chickens. The ckickens were put in a coop in early fall of last year away from the horses so that is not the reason. I am not expecting Shawa to admit to anyhing on apublic board when she wouldn't to me in messenger. I have said what I wanted to say here. Again- Leave when you are caught in a LIE. I also seriously doubt that she had lice when she arrived at your house. Her coat showed no signs of it. (i saw photo's) |
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Post by leosolis on Oct 2, 2009 16:16:55 GMT -5
Here is another perfect example of you NOT LISTENING as usual...
There was a reason I said you should only ride her in a hackamore, its because if you grab ahold of her face she was going to become alot of horse really fast. You have to have really quiet hands, which most beginners don't, so I told you ride her in a hackamore or halter.
I like how you leave when your proved wrong, the same reason you left SOS when people weren't patting you on the back for having someone loping those poor 2 year olds around on day one, you left in a huff. I know I have those pictures somewhere..I'll have to find them & post them since you were the one that told the trainer they needed a FIRM HAND...really??? how in the hell would you know what they need? You hadn't been caring for them in the last year, yet you told him something very different than what I told him. He just mistakingly thought you were in charge (wonder where he got that idea)..since I called & spoke with them again to clarify things, I am very pleased with the outcome of the 3 yearlings. Cloudy & Cyclone are now a little spooky and I am pretty convinced that is because of your advice to them that a FIRM HAND was needed, when it was in fact NOT what they needed.
anyway...here is another PM..since were saying I am a liar regarding that mare.
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Hello,
I forgot to ask when we picked Yoda up about worming and vaccinations. When was that last done so I know when I need to do it.
She is doing really good. I thought she was limping yesterday but it was just that she was walking very deliberatly on the ice out in the pasture.
I took her out and brushed her really good today and then put a bridle on her with just a tomthumb bit as that is the strongest one I have and my hackamore is missing some pieces. I didn't put a saddle on and just took her out to the front and WOW she sure was a different horse than she was with just a halter just like you said.
She wanted to just go and was prancing around with her head up and I was wishing I had the saddle on lol. She is actually really comfy bareback though.
I will try and find a hackamore and once the ice melts more I can work her some and then see how she does for the kids.
I have had to seperate Lola and Music away from Yoda to feed as Yoda is very protective of any and all food and water and the other two are scared to go near it. I just put Lola and Music in the stall overnight and let them out in the morning and that seems to be working. That way I know everyone is eating.
Talk to ya later
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Post by horseylove on Oct 2, 2009 16:42:17 GMT -5
Here is another perfect example of you NOT LISTENING as usual... There was a reason I said you should only ride her in a hackamore, its because if you grab ahold of her face she was going to become alot of horse really fast. You have to have really quiet hands, which most beginners don't, so I told you ride her in a hackamore or halter. I like how you leave when your proved wrong, the same reason you left SOS when people weren't patting you on the back for having someone loping those poor 2 year olds around on day one, you left in a huff. I know I have those pictures somewhere..I'll have to find them & post them since you were the one that told the trainer they needed a FIRM HAND...really??? how in the hell would you know what they need? You hadn't been caring for them in the last year, yet you told him something very different than what I told him. He just mistakingly thought you were in charge (wonder where he got that idea)..since I called & spoke with them again to clarify things, I am very pleased with the outcome of the 3 yearlings. Cloudy & Cyclone are now a little spooky and I am pretty convinced that is because of your advice to them that a FIRM HAND was needed, when it was in fact NOT what they needed. anyway...here is another PM..since were saying I am a liar regarding that mare. ldyfthsky Shetland Newbie member is offline Joined: Sept 2009 Gender: Female Posts: 0 Karma: 0 [ Exalt | Smite ] Yoda « Message sent on Jan 14, 2009, 9:44pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, I forgot to ask when we picked Yoda up about worming and vaccinations. When was that last done so I know when I need to do it. She is doing really good. I thought she was limping yesterday but it was just that she was walking very deliberatly on the ice out in the pasture. I took her out and brushed her really good today and then put a bridle on her with just a tomthumb bit as that is the strongest one I have and my hackamore is missing some pieces. I didn't put a saddle on and just took her out to the front and WOW she sure was a different horse than she was with just a halter just like you said. She wanted to just go and was prancing around with her head up and I was wishing I had the saddle on lol. She is actually really comfy bareback though. I will try and find a hackamore and once the ice melts more I can work her some and then see how she does for the kids. I have had to seperate Lola and Music away from Yoda to feed as Yoda is very protective of any and all food and water and the other two are scared to go near it. I just put Lola and Music in the stall overnight and let them out in the morning and that seems to be working. That way I know everyone is eating. Talk to ya later JoAnn That is hilarious Shawna!! And you are calling me a liar wow. never once told the trainer anything about training them. The only thing I told them was that Tanner kicked. I wouldn't know what they needed as I had never even seen them before. When I took the pics I didn't know at the time that you had not talked to them and told them the training you wanted. You are a liar and a manipulator Shawna!!! That pm to you was asking qestions about her soundness. I never mentioned navicular as you had alread told me she didn't have it just needed special shoes. I already stated what you told me about her and that is the truth. I am not a liar and I am also not scared to stand up for something I believe to be wrong. As far as the lice Yoda did have it. Why don't you ask Lisa about the lice on her horses from you. Oh wait you already had that conversation and said it must have come from her horses. Of course it did. |
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 2, 2009 16:47:07 GMT -5
actually shawna rescues will need dealer license but for people that are placing say tbs that they have owned for years will not. what i was told because i did specifically ask the question for my own knowledge which was so if i go out and pick up a starved or neglected horse every now and then get them back into shape and then rehome them will i need a dealers license and the answer is no..the license is required for quantity and amount of time of turn over so that they can track horse traders and rescues closer due to the amount of rescues that have popped up and due to the number of complaints and how hard it is to track if the rescues are not keeping proper paperwork..if you get a horse at a auction and resell it 6 months down the road is not the issue it is when the turn around time is under 90 days that they are concerned about..
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Post by rodeo51 on Oct 2, 2009 16:48:15 GMT -5
Leo...she heard ya about the bit....otherwise she wouldn't have used the strongest bit she had. She used it because she was worried about her. Too bad she didn't follow your instructions first instead of doing it her way.
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Post by leosolis on Oct 2, 2009 16:51:40 GMT -5
well I can see I will need to post some more pm's since you have yet another excuse. I see so now your speaking for Lisa? somehow this thread has turned into something about you, when in fact it was about one of your low class friends sending a pm to a great person accusing her of awful things. At least you & your classy friends stick together. Maybe she will come on here again & tell me how those TB mares were stolen...yet she never filed a report. You keep some Great company Joanne.
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Post by leosolis on Oct 2, 2009 16:54:50 GMT -5
actually shawna rescues will need dealer license but for people that are placing say tbs that they have owned for years will not. what i was told because i did specifically ask the question for my own knowledge which was so if i go out and pick up a starved or neglected horse every now and then get them back into shape and then rehome them will i need a dealers license and the answer is no..the license is required for quantity and amount of time of turn over so that they can track horse traders and rescues closer due to the amount of rescues that have popped up and due to the number of complaints and how hard it is to track if the rescues are not keeping proper paperwork..if you get a horse at a auction and resell it 6 months down the road is not the issue it is when the turn around time is under 90 days that they are concerned about.. But you don't own those TB's Jimi...Seawinds does. And what about all the appys you trade? I have no desire to bother Seawinds but you on the other hand, have posted in several places about all of the horses you are rehoming. You can try to be different, but one of two things will happen..either you will have to get a dealers license just like everyone else or the state opens itself up to a discrimination suit since the law is very broad and basically states anyone buying & rehoming livestock No timeline & no number of horses specified. |
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 2, 2009 17:43:32 GMT -5
well shawna i guess we will have to see what the law states..and i did specifically ask about the TBs and the rehoming them and was told by a real live person that those horses are not being turned around and resold , they have been kept and trained before making a decision to get rid of them so there is no problem with that . if i pick up a appy or anything else and it sits on my property and i ride it or rehab it and 6 to 9 months later decide to sell it does not fall under the same classification as a rescue. nor am i advertising as a rescue facility..if you were doing it quietly and not advertising they probably wouldn't say anything to you either.it was stated that they are more worried about the commercialization of the rescues and the amount of turnover that they wanna be able to track all these horses running in and out of the rescue that have popped up out of nowhere all over the state..the more people go online claimimg to be a rescue and the more people going online and asking for donations and advertising in the newspapers and on craigslist the more people are calling in to the state and asking questions which is why it is getting to this point..not to mention how many rescues can you name off the top of your head that in the last few years animal control has had to go in and re-rescue those animals...i was told they are tightening down on small animal rescues as well as large animals..i think that if something positive maybe when they get ready to pass this law if the BOD of the rescues in washington state ask for a sit down in olympia and sit down with the state dept and everyone put their heads together to help get hauling to slaughter made illegal and make them start knocking on peoples doors when skinny malnourished horses show up at the auctions..hold the people bringing these horses into the auctions responsible for what is happening to all these animals.but looking up the owners on reg papers is not the way to go either unless you can prove that they are the ones hauling these horses to auctions in that condition either..also the rescues could network a lil better instead of trying to outdue each other..have a central board and if someone at the rescue in eastern wash has a horse maybe someone in western wash has a home find a way to work together to place more animals..instead of getting down on the racing community why not network with them to help place the horses that they get rid of after the season has ended.we don't hold protest and complain about all the scrap metal after the demo derby season is over...network with 4h clubs to help place horses with kids in washington state that would not be able to afford a horse all on their own if they had to purchase it..i would rather donate to a horse for a underpriveleged kid then to donate and not know where that horse ended up..most 4h clubs i am sure have people that would help with boarding a rescue horse for someone that doesn't have room but really wants a horse.place some of these older bomb proof Rideable horses in to some stables as lesson horses for kids with respectable trainers..it is all about networking in the horse world..in snohomish county if you screw over a stable or 4h group or even pasture board you might as well move due to the horse capita over here is huge for the rural area that we have but everyone knows everyone thru a round about way..
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 2, 2009 17:47:41 GMT -5
which actually shawna the question about the dealers license came up through another TB person before they said they were going to pass it into law . so the question was answered a while back and was asked again to clarify it 3 days ago..and read the tb mares cannot be reported stolen when on care lease and the dept of ag did take a report but cannot call them stolen from a breach of contract.just like in a owner dispute it is a civil matter and you know that..but dave hasn'tbeen able to locate wayne nor his wife as of weds..
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Post by leosolis on Oct 2, 2009 18:03:47 GMT -5
which actually shawna the question about the dealers license came up through another TB person before they said they were going to pass it into law . so the question was answered a while back and was asked again to clarify it 3 days ago..and read the tb mares cannot be reported stolen when on care lease and the dept of ag did take a report but cannot call them stolen from a breach of contract.just like in a owner dispute it is a civil matter and you know that..but dave hasn'tbeen able to locate wayne nor his wife as of weds.. Like I said Jimi, the law actually is very broad. It has not dates or timelines. Which leaves the state a couple of choices either change it so rescues like SOS don't have to get a 10K bond or they have to make everyone that is turned in comply. Which will include you. I have no problem with them keeping track of organizations like SOS in fact I think it will help weed out the ones that are not legitimate. But the bond is ridiculas, but it is how the law currently is written & I am complying. But for them to make me comply & not change the law and not make you who also falls into the same catagory is discrimination. So either you get one, they get the law changed or a discrimination suit backed by many many rescues will be filed. What do you think will happen? I think you will end up having to get one, instead of it costing them money it will make them money. JMO when you have one person calling & complaining its annoying...but when you have as many calling and complaining as you have currently pissed off on this board alone..well I would say it puts you in a category of your own. |
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 2, 2009 18:31:10 GMT -5
calling and complaining about what?? i haven't called and complained shawna i called to file a report on 3tbs..i didn't file a complaint about you i filed a complaint about wayne and shar selling the 3 tbs they had on lease..which by the way is what you kept telling me to do and i kept telling you that i had..when horses go missing and then sold thru an auction that is who the reports are filed thru..though you just kept saying i haven't filed a report..i am sorry i am not on friendly , regular terms as you are with animal control that i can ask them to go by and check on missing horses for me like you did with slack , oh but see that would be hard pressed to do also since that area between mazama and pateros has no animal control officers..we found that out last year when the guy with 11 starving horses and 49 pigeons and 20 dogs that were eating each other to stay alive in dead of winter and the sheriff said there was nothing they could do they were short staffed and they had no animal control to handle situations like that..that was sad..and if you talk to dave he can tell you that in a situation of lease or owner dispute they take the reports but it is a civil case and until he can see what kind of paperwork those people ran them thru the auction with noone knows what all charges can be filed..do you file forgery?? do you file selling an animal with false papers?? it is hard to know when noone can locate wayne and shar all their numbers are disconnected and dave has called all over twisp and winthrop and talked to people and they are telling him noone has seen them or heard from them lately..and you are wrong shawna...north dakota does not require a license for livestock dealer ..LOL..
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Post by leosolis on Oct 2, 2009 21:08:17 GMT -5
calling and complaining about what?? i haven't called and complained shawna i called to file a report on 3tbs..i didn't file a complaint about you i filed a complaint about wayne and shar selling the 3 tbs they had on lease..which by the way is what you kept telling me to do and i kept telling you that i had..when horses go missing and then sold thru an auction that is who the reports are filed thru..though you just kept saying i haven't filed a report..i am sorry i am not on friendly , regular terms as you are with animal control that i can ask them to go by and check on missing horses for me like you did with slack , oh but see that would be hard pressed to do also since that area between mazama and pateros has no animal control officers..we found that out last year when the guy with 11 starving horses and 49 pigeons and 20 dogs that were eating each other to stay alive in dead of winter and the sheriff said there was nothing they could do they were short staffed and they had no animal control to handle situations like that..that was sad..and if you talk to dave he can tell you that in a situation of lease or owner dispute they take the reports but it is a civil case and until he can see what kind of paperwork those people ran them thru the auction with noone knows what all charges can be filed..do you file forgery?? do you file selling an animal with false papers?? it is hard to know when noone can locate wayne and shar all their numbers are disconnected and dave has called all over twisp and winthrop and talked to people and they are telling him noone has seen them or heard from them lately..and you are wrong shawna...north dakota does not require a license for livestock dealer ..LOL..  ???and you are wrong shawna...north dakota does not require a license for livestock dealer ..LOL |
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Post by mbr on Oct 2, 2009 23:46:15 GMT -5
First off, Jimi noone is actually no one.. Joanne, I can't believe after all the support sos and members gave you through all your hard times, you treat them like this, you got yoda almost a year ago (hince you said she was walking on ice) and on the sos board you were so happy and thankful, your giving Shawna crap about lice and you can't even tell that your colt lightning may be crippled because of your lack of knowing how to take care of horses, of course Shawna makes money unless you are a millionaire no one could rescue horses with no help. Shawna has even offered the yearlings at no charge, tell me where would they be right now if she didn't take them? (thought so).... How many horses are you gonna get before you find the one you want??.. Unless you have something in writing about all that you have accused then please don't post cause you might not know the truth just hearsay...
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 3, 2009 1:07:01 GMT -5
LMAO MBR...HINCE IS ACTUALLY HENCE...and why is joann's colt crippled?
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Post by leosolis on Oct 3, 2009 1:14:46 GMT -5
LMAO MBR...HINCE IS ACTUALLY HENCE...and why is joann's colt crippled? that is the best reply you have?  she actually made some really great points. What I think is odd is that you really have no idea who your new BFF is... |
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 3, 2009 1:31:04 GMT -5
what point referred to me?? that i didn't space out no one...lol ..i guess i was to busy laughing at hince from the english professor..i would love to know what makes her think that joann's colt is crippled?? i did ask about it..
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 3, 2009 1:32:11 GMT -5
you still haven't told me what calls and complaints i have made about you shawna , since you did point that in my direction earlier..
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Post by mbr on Oct 3, 2009 2:14:11 GMT -5
Jimi, why are you laughing?? I new it was you beacause of the noone so that is why I said it in a short description. My main focus is Joanne and why now brings up Yoda and the yearlings, ladybug and so on cause you were happy and never said anything wrong about anyone except lighting.. I don't care what you say, How many horses are you gonna go through Joanne before you you get the right one??(i know I misspelled so look over it) Joanne you had Yoda for a year and your now just complaining why now??? OMG grow up!!!!!!!!
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 3, 2009 2:44:38 GMT -5
why look it over ?? no one including you gives me the benefit of the doubt on my spelling..you are all real quick to point it out .so was that the point you wanted to make was i needed to space out no one?? and how much horse experience do you have to say the colt is crippled? and what do you think is wrong with its legs??
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 3, 2009 2:45:52 GMT -5
and MBR who are you?
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Post by mbr on Oct 3, 2009 4:20:33 GMT -5
Well you know, Micki say's lets have lots of fun...
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Post by atticus on Oct 3, 2009 9:17:19 GMT -5
I know that YOU AND I discussed Yoda having navicular. It is easily managed. I also suggested that the horses picked up the lice from the chickens. It happens all of the time. Just to interject since I was reading this (no that I want to be involved, but I work at a vet in the lab and know about bugs ).... lice is species specific so the horses would not get lice from chickens. Poultry lice is live their entire life cycle on a single bird check it out here ucanr.org/freepubs/docs/8162.pdf It is very common to get horses with lice in rescue situations and it is not a big deal, you treat and they go away. Most horses from the feedlot or where there is alot of horses together that came from a not so clean place (like the feedlot) have lice. It is a common problem in the rescue world and is easily treated. Any horse adopted from the feedlot or a rescue should be QT'ed away from other equines, even if they have already been QT'ed at the rescue. It is common practice to keep your herd clean. Horses coats rarely show signs of lice unless it is a huge infestation, check under the mane and you can usually see them, they are usually along the topline. If you see hair loss it is most likely mites or mange. So not a big deal. |
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Post by leosolis on Oct 3, 2009 11:47:35 GMT -5
I know that YOU AND I discussed Yoda having navicular. It is easily managed. I also suggested that the horses picked up the lice from the chickens. It happens all of the time. Just to interject since I was reading this (no that I want to be involved, but I work at a vet in the lab and know about bugs ).... lice is species specific so the horses would not get lice from chickens. Poultry lice is live their entire life cycle on a single bird check it out here ucanr.org/freepubs/docs/8162.pdf It is very common to get horses with lice in rescue situations and it is not a big deal, you treat and they go away. Most horses from the feedlot or where there is alot of horses together that came from a not so clean place (like the feedlot) have lice. It is a common problem in the rescue world and is easily treated. Any horse adopted from the feedlot or a rescue should be QT'ed away from other equines, even if they have already been QT'ed at the rescue. It is common practice to keep your herd clean. Horses coats rarely show signs of lice unless it is a huge infestation, check under the mane and you can usually see them, they are usually along the topline. If you see hair loss it is most likely mites or mange. So not a big deal. Yoda has never spent a day in her life on a feedlot, she was a horse my dad roped on & Kelli used for 4H. We thought giving her to Joanne was a nice thing to do for her kids. Yoda was in my broodmare pasture with 4 of my other personal horses. When Joanne sent me the original pm, I went out & looked, even took my vet & farrier with me since both were here working on animals. Both said that nothing in my pasture had lice & they found it very hard to believe that only ONE horse out a 5 would have them. It was then I remembered that when Yoda left the blanket that had been on Ladybug was put on Yoda. So that is where I am guessing they came from. Yoda is black, very black so its not like Lice on her would of been hard to see. Yes out of habit as soon as Joanne left Ladybug got poweder down her back for lice, not because I actually thought she might have them, because EVERY horse that doesn't belong to me gets that treatment. I honestly am not sure she ended up with lice, all I know is she didn't have them when she left my house & considering that I was on her riding her around bareback with a halter in the pasture with Joanne looking at & petting her beside me I would think one of us would of noticed. |
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Post by mbr on Oct 3, 2009 13:11:02 GMT -5
I just said over look it cause I had couple glasses of wine, lol, as for Joanne's colt she is the one that said she hoped he wasn't crippled and that she should of noticed his legs, why are you posting for Joanne? let her fight her own battles...  |
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Post by waredhead70 on Oct 3, 2009 17:29:51 GMT -5
i am not fighting her battle , you put it out on public forum and all i asked is a simple question. what makes you think her colt is crippled??
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Post by lorsadoon on Oct 3, 2009 18:31:37 GMT -5
I know that YOU AND I discussed Yoda having navicular. It is easily managed. I also suggested that the horses picked up the lice from the chickens. It happens all of the time. Just to interject since I was reading this (no that I want to be involved, but I work at a vet in the lab and know about bugs ).... lice is species specific so the horses would not get lice from chickens. Poultry lice is live their entire life cycle on a single bird check it out here ucanr.org/freepubs/docs/8162.pdf It is very common to get horses with lice in rescue situations and it is not a big deal, you treat and they go away. Most horses from the feedlot or where there is alot of horses together that came from a not so clean place (like the feedlot) have lice. It is a common problem in the rescue world and is easily treated. Any horse adopted from the feedlot or a rescue should be QT'ed away from other equines, even if they have already been QT'ed at the rescue. It is common practice to keep your herd clean. Horses coats rarely show signs of lice unless it is a huge infestation, check under the mane and you can usually see them, they are usually along the topline. If you see hair loss it is most likely mites or mange. So not a big deal. Lice can jump between species. They just do not stay there for long. From the Merck Vet Manual Avian lice, which belong to the order Mallophaga, have a life cycle of ~3 wk and normally feed on bits of skin or feather products. Lice may live for several months on the host but remain alive only for ~1 wk off the host. Humans and other mammals may harbor avian lice, but only temporarily. Also, there is one type of lice that will inhabit both birds and mammals. Also from the Vet Manual Numerous species of biting or chewing lice (order Mallophaga) and sucking lice (order Anoplura) are obligate ectoparasites of domestic animals. Lice live within the microenvironment provided by the skin and its hair or feathers, and are transmitted primarily by contact between hosts. In temperate regions, lice are most abundant during the colder months and often are very difficult to find in the summer. Lice are largely host-specific, living on one species or several closely related species. Anoplura are parasites of mammals only. However, Mallophaga infest both mammals and birds. See above. So it is possible to get lice from chickens, they just will not stay on the new host or may die after time if they are on the wrong host. My mom got a German Shepherd puppy several years ago that had been living in a pen next to the chickens and it had a severe case of lice. The vet told her it had got them from the chickens. They may of gone away in time, but my mom did not wait and had her treated ASAP. |
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Post by sacreddog on Oct 3, 2009 21:45:14 GMT -5
All this nit-picking is giving me a migraine.
(Sorry, I couldn't resist!)
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Post by hasinger on Oct 3, 2009 23:03:40 GMT -5
All this nit-picking is giving me a migraine. (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) ROFLMAO ;D ;D ;D any mention of the word and i feel itchy! |
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Post by hasinger on Oct 3, 2009 23:04:43 GMT -5
regarding the lice - thank you lorsadoon! I thought so! I spoke with a vet at my cutting show today and they said the same thing!
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???and you are wrong shawna...north dakota does not require a license for livestock dealer ..LOL 
she actually made some really great points. What I think is odd is that you really have no idea who your new BFF is...
