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Post by dcsmmi on Jan 25, 2007 0:59:44 GMT -5
Thanks for reminding me of what I meant to say, but hadn't. =) I wouldn't let them gentle your horse. I'm sure some of them are quite talented, some of them might even use natural horsemanship methods - but there is really a joy in doing it yourself. If you are hesitant, find a trainer you actually KNOW and trust, someone you can get references for. (This is not slamming the guys up there, but if you think of it as your horse, you'd want to know the person, wouldn't you? You don't have that option in this case.)
They WILL do this for you though. But, be prepared to pay a higher adoption fee if they start putting any work into them. These guys won't be vaccinated, wormed etc. I think if going to a state that really requires it - they will do coggins - but I'm not sure how even that will affect the adoption fee at this point.
I did tell the guy that once they get going - a satellite adoption of sorts may help them. Again - they probably wouldn't get any farther south than Oregon though because of the coggins thing.
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Post by Tockita on Jan 25, 2007 1:02:13 GMT -5
I would like to adopt a weanling, but would like to be able to view it before making a trip to Washington for further viewing and pickup. It may seem bad, but that's what I like about the BLM site. I know it isn't possible yet for the Rez horses. My husband has to be drawn to the horse too or he will veto the adoption. Good conformation, etc..... Anyway, my long winded point is: I might be able to take at least one if there is a way to view it first. Well he isn't a weanling but Feather should be a rez horse, and my little Dyna is an excellent ambasador. Clean legs, great attitude. They may not all be like her, but I think you could love any of them.
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Post by tfrancis on Jan 25, 2007 2:27:41 GMT -5
I am sure I could I don't think I have ever came across a horse I haven't wanted even just a little. Our neighbor is a trainer, instructor and shower. We are familiar with her horses and how she treats them. She has taken on some hard luck cases and really turned them around. I know we could get help from her if needed. Our daughters have even taken lessons from her. It will be interesting to see how things progress, hopefully beyond any expectations.
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Post by chatty on Jan 26, 2007 13:08:47 GMT -5
We're slowing down..Know we have real lookers in the lot. And they should always come first...If we were to put aside one dollar for every hundred of a price in the lot, we can save a few horses..And for every member could take or find a home of two horses LOOK!!! That is alot of horses... These horse are a rescue in progress..Can you provide QT, corral panels, transportation or your time (which for everyone is valuable, I understand, family, jobs, and the horses we have already rescued) Not this week or next...When the weather brakes.. Look at how you can prepair a holding pen or help someone with your time, vis phone,in person or by e-mail.. I have two spots filled and another talking..Have offered QT for these people..Two is a start, never have homes for 2000-3000 horses..One at a time...
VOICE YOUR IDEALS SHOW OF HANDS
Chatty (if misspelled any words, bad morning)
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Post by chatty on Jan 31, 2007 0:10:30 GMT -5
Hi all....If your going to Yakima valley like stormlady (myself also) and want to see the horses .. please call Mr. Stephenson - office phone 865-5121 ext. 6310 cell 949-2189..............remember they only have about two dozen at this time.....the tribal nation would love all inquirys on them.. spring is coming, the gates will open with a flood of young, old, all ages..get pens ready, it's coming..SAD..SAD..days that will be..round ups at foaling season... I'v got four foals place so far..have pens to QT six, so working on filling these spots...see what you all can do and save as many as we can..THAT'S ALL ANY OF US CAN DO BLESS YOU ALL
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Post by cybercat on Jan 31, 2007 0:21:04 GMT -5
Chatty, are we going to be able to take pictures of the horses like the BLM does? And if we do, how will we identify them...or will that part be handled by Mr. Stephenson...?
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Post by jessiegirl1981 on Jan 31, 2007 2:26:15 GMT -5
When is everyone going?
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Post by chatty on Jan 31, 2007 11:32:04 GMT -5
Mr. Stephenson is a man will to work with us..I'm going to contact him today via e-mail and get info on: contracts, people to take pic's and where... Ran this past Bob (hubby was a animal control officer down in the valley) and he said there is a few old feedlot with in the REZ (hate that word)..So I'll find out which one(s) their at....I want to get before we leave on Friday so I can twist Bob's leg to run over there.. Will post and PM all that is interested.........chatty
Just sent the e-mail
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Post by dcsmmi on Jan 31, 2007 11:37:34 GMT -5
Jessie - I think it's an on-going thing. They have THOUSANDS to gather over the summer. There will likely be more and more in the holding pens as the weather improves.
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Post by cybercat on Jan 31, 2007 11:40:26 GMT -5
This is a HUGE undertaking...
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Post by bridgetah on Jan 31, 2007 11:47:16 GMT -5
This is a HUGE undertaking... This would require the cooperation of a number of organizations and definitely the mustang folks. BTW, I find it comments about "inbreeding" somewhat offensive. These horses are range bred and, probably, effectively mustangs. Mother Nature is a harsh mistress and seriously defective animals don't survive. The crippled and otherwise defective horses you've seen on the feedlot are there because someone put them there before they died on the range. Mother Nature has her own aesthetic values and they may not always be pleasing to the eye but if it works for the survival of the animal, so be it.
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Post by chatty on Jan 31, 2007 12:09:59 GMT -5
Ok I'v ask the following.. if they or one of us can take pictures w/ info to attach with each one...Have a contact person..If they could add to the their web, a post on when horses come in.. Hope I didn't ask for to much, if so my name is MUD
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Post by cybercat on Jan 31, 2007 12:33:26 GMT -5
Your name will never be MUD with US, Chatty!
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Post by tfrancis on Jan 31, 2007 13:04:06 GMT -5
Since you are going to be helping them with trying to get horses adopted, are they allowing you to take some free of charge? Meaning, they will get the adoption fee after you've found a home?
IF NOT: Is there anyway we can set up a fund, among us, to use for purchasing, QT, etc... of these horses?
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Post by chatty on Jan 31, 2007 15:18:36 GMT -5
Free of charge, probable not..Tribal members yes, for do belong to the nation..As my husband got his from a elder..Yes he is of native background (mother was a member of the Yakima Tribe)
To set up a fund : Need a banker, QT volunteers, transporters,also for their needs (feed, medical).. Central QT areas, Vets that know how to deal with these wild ones..This is why to start now and not wait for the last minute..
Remember they will have little bugs on them, cut / lacerations and tromized..The older ones will need heavy dutie corrals, over 6 ft. ..Younger ones may need formals/bottle feed or supplements..
This is what we are looking at, 100.00 per horse + extra when you get them
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Post by cybercat on Jan 31, 2007 15:34:06 GMT -5
I think that we need to start getting our network of other forums and mustang groups lined up...if you run across groups of like-minded folks that could help us get going with this, can you post them here? We'll start building a list, and when we have more info to share, then we can start contacting sources to spread the news...
Sound reasonable?
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Post by tfrancis on Jan 31, 2007 16:41:51 GMT -5
I am willing to help in any way I can. Just let me know what is needed and I'll see if I can do it.
Depending on Hubby, may have space for one/two weanlings or less. I guess that also depends on if we take on any others before then.
Just let me know what is needed. I may not resemble my heritage in looks, but I am of the Cherokee Nation.
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Post by dcsmmi on Jan 31, 2007 21:59:05 GMT -5
Chatty - your name will be mud the first time I get ran over later this summer...lol ONLY TEASING! But at least I'll have someone to blame....ha ha
We can post pictures and contact info etc on our website (once we ever get it updated)
Yeah - I doubt they'll GIVE us any - but Stephenson said he could hook me up with a "chaser" who may cut me a break on the price at least. Sponsorships for that would be a Godsend. I also have to place at least 3 - maybe 4 horses before I can have my mustang pens ready again. (Fawn, Belle, Prince, Whiskey - are all in there)
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Post by chatty on Feb 1, 2007 0:06:55 GMT -5
dcsmmi I too have three that need new homes, can free up some pens when weather gets better..I plan on three holding pens +... I promise you I'll keep all my fingers on loading...Hurts like you know what..I wanted to cry it hurt so bad... PM you when I get home monday...Cross your fingers chatty
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Post by tfrancis on Feb 1, 2007 13:44:13 GMT -5
If any foals become "orphans" for any reason, I am willing to take them. At least until weaning if not longer.
Granted my experience is with cattle and lambs, but do know the ups and downs of daily care required. Also have a great vet. Much time and worry was put into our day old auction calves before they were able to go out into the pasture on their own.
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Post by chatty on Feb 1, 2007 16:35:37 GMT -5
Here we go ..Hold the mud please..Mr.Stephenson e-mail me back and here it is ..SMILE.. Yes I copied the letter as it was written, misspelled words and all
We have 12 horses in our corrals at the present time. These are a mix of ages and all are bays, sorrol or black. We normally show horses on Tuesdays. Please call ahead if you would like to come look at them. (509) 949-2189 or (509) 865-5121 Ext 6325.. You are welcome to take pictures if you would like, and to pass the word around would help too.
We will be gathering more horses when the weather improves and the grass starts growing. We don't like to have to feed hay to too many in the winter, it gets expensive quikly. I would like to have an auction this spring some time if possible. I will certainly notify you and anyone else that is interested. It will also be posted on our website (ynwildlife.org)
I will email the horse purchase agreement.
Thank you for your interest in our wild horse project.
Jim Stephenson Yakima Nation Wildlife Program
Have down loaded contract ...Simple and to the point...
Need one, have them or through Yakima Nation
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Post by chatty on Feb 1, 2007 17:10:52 GMT -5
WILD HORSE PURCHASE AGREEMENT
The horse you are purchasing is from the wild herds roaming the rangelands of the Yakima Reservation. You must agree to following provisions to purchase a Yakima Nation horse.
1. You must be at least 18 years of age (a parent or guardian may purchase a horse and allow a younger family member to care for the horse)
2. You must have no prior conviction for inhumane treatment of animals.
3. You are not permitted to re-sell a horse untol one year after date of purchase.
4. You must have adequate feed, water and facilities to provide humane care for the animal purchased. The following requirements meet this criteria:
* At least a 440 square foot of pen space (20X20 feet) for each animal purchased.
* Corrals for horses less than 18 months of age hall have fences at least five feet high.
* Unbroken horses over 18 months of age shall be kept in corrals with at least six foot fences.
* Corrals must be sturdy and spaces between the rails shall not exceed 12 inches.
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Post by cybercat on Feb 1, 2007 18:38:18 GMT -5
Its so nice to get these answers quickly, isn't it? The next time you talk with them, Chatty, can you clarify if the adopter needs to show a pic of the corral or pen?
And, I think a map or directions to the location of the horses will prove beneficial...
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Post by chatty on Feb 1, 2007 20:43:03 GMT -5
cybercat, I'll do one better, try to call him when I get there tomorrow + what every more I can get done...
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Post by maloney on Feb 1, 2007 20:57:39 GMT -5
That contract is great- short simple and to the point, but mostly I like the "You are not permitted to re-sell a horse untol one year after date of purchase."
Nice job guys, this is awesome work.
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Post by dcsmmi on Feb 1, 2007 21:43:54 GMT -5
He told me he copied it from BLM's site. I doubt they'll do anything to enforce it - and I doubt they care to see pictures. But shhh... we won't tell the "scum bag" adopters that.
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Post by cybercat on Feb 1, 2007 23:20:09 GMT -5
I was thinking that too, Darla...whatever helps to weed out the kill adopters...that's why I like the picture idea...it might deter a few...
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Post by chatty on Feb 5, 2007 14:10:19 GMT -5
home ...talked to alot of people BACK TO WORK
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Post by dcsmmi on Feb 5, 2007 14:16:24 GMT -5
oooooooo I hope you got pictures!!!! =}}}
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Post by chatty on Feb 5, 2007 15:03:42 GMT -5
we do have someone of our own group that was going tuesday to take pic's..we meet family out on the REZ for lunch and the only feedlot we didn't look at was in Wopato..the others look empty, well saw one horse in Prosser, but only one at that lot... so many people asking what we were doing (rescue work) and thay asked on how to get horses..told them about the horses in the nation to be roundedup (no one had heard anything about it) and also told them to go to Seals (feedlot).. got the word out we were looking for chasers...hope for some feed back...TALKED TO SO MANY PEOPLE...some know of chasers, some just wanted horses...showed them our before and after pic's..WHICH made them more interested in getting sone horses... the younger generation are the ones into the chasing now, the elders just know of the people who do that...talked to every generation and family member...wished I had more time to spend down there, but got alot done though...
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