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Post by helpforhomeless on Feb 19, 2007 22:41:51 GMT -5
are these horses still available for adoption? if so how do I get the info on adopting one.. can any one direct me? thanks LK
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Post by jessiegirl1981 on Feb 19, 2007 23:28:36 GMT -5
lynn pm chatty she has all the onfo and they are still available and will be for quite sometime as there are many to get homes for
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Post by chatty on Feb 20, 2007 10:47:25 GMT -5
There is such a large number of horses, this is just the start we will be seeing...PM me for info onany of these or ones coming in.....
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Post by dcsmmi on Feb 24, 2007 1:25:36 GMT -5
Got a couple emails from Stephenson today. He says there are still 12 in the pens "burning hay". I didn't ask what the tone of the email meant - but I assume when they have them too long is when they decide to send to the feedlot. Chatty (& others) - do you think?? He did say they're in great shape and are being fed well. (to keep the lbs on?? dang I'm pessimistic today) Anyway - it was a nice email - just checking in and asking if he can forward my info to the chasers etc. He wanted to know what I'd be willing to pay for a load (10) - but I told him I couldn't give him a figure until we get hay taken care of. I'm hoping to get some sponsors for the group but you never know... He also talked about a woman named Janelle Black - his "volunteer horse selling assistant". She will have my contact info too - and we're still aiming for late summer.
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Post by chatty on Feb 24, 2007 8:24:38 GMT -5
burning hay : as they eat one loses money..just like you would if you through it into a fire..
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Post by stormlady on Feb 24, 2007 14:52:06 GMT -5
Darla, I am Jenelle. And I think he considers me the leader of our pack only because he has met with me in person, I live nearby, and we have several professional contacts in common. I am happy to be an in-person presence, but I consider Chatty the energy-leader and Darla the experience-leader. Can we (and anyone else who is interested in helping out with this effort - PM me) all get together by phone or e-mail and plan a multi-prong strategy? I also have an e-mail from someone in western Washington (someone from here?) that I haven't yet contacted since I was out of town.
I think the first thing we NEED to get in place is a web page for these horses. Mr. Stephenson has given me the contact information for their website manager so we can coordinate with her. Maybe PEC can help with that? Anyone else want to offer their web expertise? We all can design what we want on the web page, and then figure out with the tribe how best to execute it.
We also should plan an advertising campaign, which Chatty has so beautifully started witht he Sunnyside paper. We need to get a web site and procedure in place though to deal with the advertising results.
Jenelle
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Post by Tockita on Mar 14, 2007 21:25:19 GMT -5
When I was at BLM here in Cali they recommended asking the local BLM corral about any help they can give with placing the horses. I guess there are a few places down here where BLM helps manage the reservation herds.
and agian my lil rez baby is the cutest, most full of personality filly you would ever want! and not at all spooky or flighty.
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Post by cwinterburn ( RIP) We love YOU on Mar 26, 2007 21:18:57 GMT -5
I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread..... where are you guys getting your facts? I have one of the Rez horses- she isn't stunted in any way- she is sane, sensible and wasn't any harder to start than any other range bred yearling...great feet! I'm keeping Black Pearl for my personal horse. Who says the Rez ponies are all in-bred and can't be worked with....? Some of the Rez horses might be poor quality but not all of them.. I see poor quality in some back-yard registered horses too. I haven't heard of any horses in the Basin dying of exposure, no horse with food and water should have died this winter from the weather- we didn't have any. The pictures they posted didn't show any starving Rez horses- they looked pretty good. Moving on to the next complaint: Since when is it considered wrong to sell excess horses? The Chincoteg Ponies are prized, people drive across the cournty to get one and they're sold at auction every year after they're 'chased' by boat to the mainland' and no one thinks that's a horrible idea- people at the auction don't fill out 'adoption papers' or have background checks ...
Some Yakima Indians ( here you can insert- white horse owners, TB breeders, racehorse owners, people that dump brood-mares that have produced a life-time of marketable babies, people who buy their children horses and then dump them when the kid wants a car-) are jerks- some of them have been dumping Rez horses at the feedlot and sale yards for years - sometimes mares and day old foals - for spare cash - don't believe me ask the auction folk in the valley ... but proably most of the tribe doesn't even know it's being done- so some of the Yakimas are jerks...(some asians are bad drivers- some black have rythm- some jews are good with money- did I forget anyone?) but you're writing like everyone in the tribe is mis-using these animals... Now that some of the tribe are trying to do a more responsible thing -sell the excess horses, have a program to preserve the range and the herd - you're all over them for that? They're culling the herd, selling the young stock, putting stallions with more desireable qualities out to breed the mares -gee, sound's like every american horseman's favorite project - the re-mount program. And finally you BLM fans are dreaming if you think the BLM 1) dosen't chase/herd horses to drive them into pens or 2) actually enforces all those regulations they print - well they do drive horses and they don't always enforce their regluations. We bought a young stallion from the feed lot that the 'approved' adopter had gotten from the BLM - kept for less than a year but did nothing he agreed to do with the horse, got his permanet papers over the phone and then took him down to sell for profit and slaughter- the FLO and Sam from, CBER called us up to let us know that a really cool mustang was on the lot and we bought him. He was still a stallion, obviously no one had gelded him as they agreed to do with him....when I called the BLM to complain I found out a director had signed the permanent papers sight un-seen on the horse! Frankly if I was a horse - I'd take my chances with the Indians- more honest... This whole flap is crazy, these people are selling their horses not dumping them... we should support their efforts- as to their critics: I would like to know, HOW MANY OF THESE HORSES WILL EACH OF YOU BE GIVING 'GOOD HOMES' TO? CW
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Post by maloney on Mar 26, 2007 22:24:01 GMT -5
I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread..... where are you guys getting your facts? I have one of the Rez horses- she isn't stunted in any way- she is sane, sensible and wasn't any harder to start than any other range bred yearling...great feet! I'm keeping Black Pearl for my personal horse. Who says the Rez ponies are all in-bred and can't be worked with....? Some of the Rez horses might be poor quality but not all of them.. I see poor quality in some back-yard registered horses too. I haven't heard of any horses in the Basin dying of exposure, no horse with food and water should have died this winter from the weather- we didn't have any. The pictures they posted didn't show any starving Rez horses- they looked pretty good. Moving on to the next complaint: Since when is it considered wrong to sell excess horses? The Chincoteg Ponies are prized, people drive across the cournty to get one and they're sold at auction every year after they're 'chased' by boat to the mainland' and no one thinks that's a horrible idea- people at the auction don't fill out 'adoption papers' or have background checks ... Some Yakima Indians ( here you can insert- white horse owners, TB breeders, racehorse owners, people that dump brood-mares that have produced a life-time of marketable babies, people who buy their children horses and then dump them when the kid wants a car-) are jerks- some of them have been dumping Rez horses at the feedlot and sale yards for years - sometimes mares and day old foals - for spare cash - don't believe me ask the auction folk in the valley ... but proably most of the tribe doesn't even know it's being done- so some of the Yakimas are jerks...(some asians are bad drivers- some black have rythm- some jews are good with money- did I forget anyone?) but you're writing like everyone in the tribe is mis-using these animals... Now that some of the tribe are trying to do a more responsible thing -sell the excess horses, have a program to preserve the range and the herd - you're all over them for that? They're culling the herd, selling the young stock, putting stallions with more desireable qualities out to breed the mares -gee, sound's like every american horseman's favorite project - the re-mount program. And finally you BLM fans are dreaming if you think the BLM 1) dosen't chase/herd horses to drive them into pens or 2) actually enforces all those regulations they print - well they do drive horses and they don't always enforce their regluations. We bought a young stallion from the feed lot that the 'approved' adopter had gotten from the BLM - kept for less than a year but did nothing he agreed to do with the horse, got his permanet papers over the phone and then took him down to sell for profit and slaughter- the FLO and Sam from, CBER called us up to let us know that a really cool mustang was on the lot and we bought him. He was still a stallion, obviously no one had gelded him as they agreed to do with him....when I called the BLM to complain I found out a director had signed the permanent papers sight un-seen on the horse! Frankly if I was a horse - I'd take my chances with the Indians- more honest... This whole flap is crazy, these people are selling their horses not dumping them... we should support their efforts- as to their critics: I would like to know, HOW MANY OF THESE HORSES WILL EACH OF YOU BE GIVING 'GOOD HOMES' TO? CW Please......we already went through this. Some things were said, well that's the past. We are trying to keep this a positive thread---we are supporting the Yakama tribes' efforts. We already have people in there, helping the horses find good homes. Please, now let's MOVE ON....and find these horses home, not complain some more and slow down the thread. Thank you.
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Post by dcsmmi on Mar 26, 2007 22:29:09 GMT -5
Winterburn - I think you might have misunderstood some of our posts... most of us are true wild horse fans - no matter what agency or tribe regulates them. I think that anyone abusing the situation and causing undue stress or harm during the gather (and yes, it does happen with BLM, Fish & Wildlife and Forest Service) deserves the same treatment. Other agencies (such as F&W and the park service - including those w/ the chincoteague ponies) are being looked at and re-evaluated as we speak to make sure they are all in compliance and must all follow they same protocols. Unfortunately, when these groups, no matter who they are, are pressed for time and money, and don't have a plan in place - horses get hurt. This is what the reservation horses are looking at now. It's unfortunate - but it's a fact of life at this point. And since the reservation is a separate entity - they will never be governed by the polices the Dept of Interior must follow. As Mr. Stephenson himself has told me - there are good chasers and bad chasers. Some care about the horses - others care about the money. It's the same everywhere - is it not? And of course they need to thin the herds - lack of management has left them overpopulated. Since this is a privately owned herd, they can sell them to slaughter if they choose to do so. It's a source of revenue for the tribe. Again, people may not like it, but they aren't breaking the law. Most HMA's (or other groups) who are confined often do face inbreeding and tend to pass on certain characteristics - such as short stature etc. Being short doesn't make them a bad horse, and as with any group - there will be exceptions. The people managing the herd at this point have told us that they are looking at some inbreeding at this point - and want to take action now to introduce new blood to the herds and make them more marketable. (I'm not sure - but I don't think anyone said they are hard to work with because they are inbred? Did I miss that somewhere?) Again - I think if you will re read some of what's written here - you'll see that many of us are actually working with the tribe to try to help them place as many as possible. You may have read some opinion in here - but alot of the information being talked about comes directly from the tribe itself. Quite simply - as with any wild horses - there will not be enough homes - and they do intend to send some directly to slaughter. Again, it's a numbers thing and a fact of life in this particular case. We're working on adopting 10. Thanks for your interest. I can tell from your passion that you'd be a great asset to help place these horses. Got any ideas?
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Post by maloney on Mar 26, 2007 22:36:31 GMT -5
Winterburn - I think you might have misunderstood some of our posts... most of us are true wild horse fans - no matter what agency or tribe regulates them. I think that anyone abusing the situation and causing undue stress or harm during the gather (and yes, it does happen with BLM, Fish & Wildlife and Forest Service) deserves the same treatment. Other agencies (such as F&W and the park service - including those w/ the chincoteague ponies) are being looked at and re-evaluated as we speak to make sure they are all in compliance and must all follow they same protocols. Unfortunately, when these groups, no matter who they are, are pressed for time and money, and don't have a plan in place - horses get hurt. This is what the reservation horses are looking at now. It's unfortunate - but it's a fact of life at this point. And since the reservation is a separate entity - they will never be governed by the polices the Dept of Interior must follow. As Mr. Stephenson himself has told me - there are good chasers and bad chasers. Some care about the horses - others care about the money. It's the same everywhere - is it not? And of course they need to thin the herds - lack of management has left them overpopulated. Since this is a privately owned herd, they can sell them to slaughter if they choose to do so. It's a source of revenue for the tribe. Again, people may not like it, but they aren't breaking the law. Most HMA's (or other groups) who are confined often do face inbreeding and tend to pass on certain characteristics - such as short stature etc. Being short doesn't make them a bad horse, and as with any group - there will be exceptions. The people managing the herd at this point have told us that they are looking at some inbreeding at this point - and want to take action now to introduce new blood to the herds and make them more marketable. (I'm not sure - but I don't think anyone said they are hard to work with because they are inbred? Did I miss that somewhere?) Again - I think if you will re read some of what's written here - you'll see that many of us are actually working with the tribe to try to help them place as many as possible. You may have read some opinion in here - but alot of the information being talked about comes directly from the tribe itself. Quite simply - as with any wild horses - there will not be enough homes - and they do intend to send some directly to slaughter. Again, it's a numbers thing and a fact of life in this particular case. We're working on adopting 10. Thanks for your interest. I can tell from your passion that you'd be a great asset to help place these horses. Got any ideas? Dcsmmi- your words truly said it all. ;D Thank you!!!!!!
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Post by chatty on Mar 27, 2007 0:17:18 GMT -5
Bob say yes you are right with some of your words..Tribe members have the right to get horses year around and what they do with them WE KNOW... Now you have covered most of my family, but add the Portuguese (my father, Serafine's), Irish (dirt farmers, Harris's) and lets not forget the Scots (cattle barons, Eckerd's)...There is good and bad in all, but "YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING NICE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL" Yes the family (Bob's) are from the valley...Yes they are the rich mix of the valley (be it born or marriage)...Yes they didn't get their horses during a round-up.. And Yes the tribel lands (NOT REZ) need management...We all agree, which is the most important thing here... Thank You All for Your Words......Chatty ....my two cents If each member would to find a home for two horses, add that up..
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Post by Tockita on Mar 27, 2007 2:42:31 GMT -5
Winterburn I agree there were a few posts early on that were not so nice. It was a bit of a shock to learn the number of horses that are at risk in this situation.
We quickly came together with the understanding that while we probably had no hope of finding homes for over 2000 head, we still might be able to save some.
I have a rez filly. She was rescued off the lot last summer and is one of the most confident, mischievous little imp I've ever met! I do not know who sent her to the lot, but except for a nasty case of worms when she arrived, she was healthy, and easy to work with. She is a charmer!
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Post by chatty on Mar 27, 2007 9:49:13 GMT -5
OK ..I'm filling better this morning and my be able to talk horses.... Winterburn we have had wonderful horses off the tribal lands and the family has loved them to the day they died...Thier smart, easy to train and a all around good horses...I know will never find homes for all of them, but thats not our goal...There is more than ourselfs who are interested in getting a tribal horse...Our nation is big and the numbers are large, so homes will be there... With the flicka movie and it's stars out on the promotion tour, the word is getting out..So many stars into rescues efforts I have a good filling they'll do well...
Yes I'm not a mean old lady, just raised to care and treat all the same..The good and bad...
Message to all I'm just tired from a lomg weelend with the grandkids, My mind and body is hanging in there....Thank to all...chatty
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Post by kidznhorses on Mar 27, 2007 10:09:24 GMT -5
Wow! Well said, dcsmmi!
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Post by maloney on Mar 27, 2007 10:26:11 GMT -5
So what's the current number? 10 horses found homes? Woohoo!!
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Post by dcsmmi on Mar 27, 2007 13:05:00 GMT -5
So what's the current number? 10 horses found homes? Woohoo!! I think Chatty has found homes for some - maybe Stormlady too? We hope to take our batch of 10 later this summer. It's going to be a long process for them tribe... so there will be horses available for some time I think...
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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2007 7:24:44 GMT -5
I can certainly do a website! Please let me know the details!!!!
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Post by maloney on Mar 28, 2007 10:00:39 GMT -5
Ohh!!! GREAT IDEA PEC!! I'll help!
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Post by dcsmmi on Mar 28, 2007 10:08:54 GMT -5
You might talk to Janelle - Stormlady - she's been working with Stephenson on this - either for the tribes website or something? I'm not sure how far she got...
If we can get a bunch of pictures - we also want to add a page to our website for them - with a link for the adoption forms etc..
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Post by cybercat on Apr 15, 2007 20:03:25 GMT -5
Anything new for this group of horses? I will also help with any things that need to be done!
Has anyone been out to take new pics or has the Nation been able to get their own site up and running? Can't adopt out if no one knows about the available horses!
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Post by chatty on Apr 15, 2007 22:26:58 GMT -5
wish I know, haven't heard anything....
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Post by maloney on May 27, 2007 23:43:00 GMT -5
Anything new for this group of horses? I will also help with any things that need to be done! Has anyone been out to take new pics or has the Nation been able to get their own site up and running? Can't adopt out if no one knows about the available horses! Ditto. Any news?
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Post by chatty on May 30, 2007 9:00:39 GMT -5
No news...Hoping the web site (as talked about) would come up on tribel web...
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Post by dcsmmi on Jun 14, 2007 15:00:59 GMT -5
Hey Chatty - any news on this? I haven't been in touch with Stephenson again - I'm so swamped with local rescues. I'm afraid to contact him because I know he'll ask if I'm ready, and I'll have to say no. =((( sniff sniff. I wonder how many are in holding?
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Post by chatty on Jun 14, 2007 23:57:11 GMT -5
Haven't heard anything...I'm swamped too...New (3months) rescue to foal anytime...Hauling hay when we can find it..Everyone knows it bad...Short on money, fuel prices sky high... I'll drop him another e-mail....
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Post by apache on Jul 17, 2007 22:10:20 GMT -5
Any more information lately?
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Post by chatty on Jul 21, 2007 21:32:34 GMT -5
We need a person to start a web page, take photos to post...All horses not placed will more likely go to the feedlot...Being wild, straight to slaughter...
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Post by cybercat on Jul 21, 2007 23:15:01 GMT -5
Chatty, I am so sorry that we weren't able to really get this project off the ground...perhaps PEC can send an email to Stephenson and offer to help develop a website again...I'll send her a PM to see. I'm still willing to input info to the website once its ready to go...I don't think I can take pictures though. I can however, put them on the website if someone sends them to me.
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Post by chatty on Jul 22, 2007 13:02:21 GMT -5
Any help for these horses is a + to keep as many of the feedlot as possible...With the death of one of the elders last month, I hope thing were slowed downed on the roundup...
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