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Post by leosolis on Dec 4, 2008 0:41:38 GMT -5
Not according to CBER Pres as of right now. Apparently they are going to wait for some non-existent authorities to give the OK. Since Dean owns the horses and can do with them as she pleases and since she offered them to CBER they could have simply taken them, not given her excuses and run arounds. Okay I talked to Sargent Morris he okay'ed me to pick up the horses If you have any doubts that Sargent Morris exists I'm sure he would be more than willing to talk to you. PM me for his #. Shelly has called and left a message for Dean indicating we are willing to pick them up. Penny I have to say I had no doubt in my mind that the thought of those two horses becoming SOS property would get Karan & Shelly off there dumb ass. I spoke with Dean very briefly this evening, my offer still stands if we can get them over here.
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Post by penny/pals on Dec 4, 2008 11:27:45 GMT -5
Okay I talked to Sargent Morris he okay'ed me to pick up the horses If you have any doubts that Sargent Morris exists I'm sure he would be more than willing to talk to you. PM me for his #. Shelly has called and left a message for Dean indicating we are willing to pick them up. Penny I have to say I had no doubt in my mind that the thought of those two horses becoming SOS property would get Karan & Shelly off there dumb ass. I spoke with Dean very briefly this evening, my offer still stands if we can get them over here. That didn't have anything to do with it we offered to pick them up I just had to talk to AC to make sure they were informed that we would be taking them. Shawna if you have any questions about it let me know as soon as I spoke to Sgt Morris I called Dean At that time she was angry about AC knowing about the situation. I told her I would have Shelly call her and she stated that now SOS would get the horses. As soon as we knew they had to be out by friday we were working on how to get them.
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Post by jenm on Dec 4, 2008 13:08:03 GMT -5
I have e-mailed and tried to get on your forum. No return e-mails and this is the forum response: Dear dean, Our staff has opted not to approve your account, and therefore it has been removed. The following reason was provided for why your account was not approved: Ummmm Im thinking no f**k**g way Wow. Someone on that board owes Dean a HUGE apology. How very sad that a CBER representative believes it's okay to send a response like that to anyone. Things sure have changed...
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Post by pnp4kidz on Dec 4, 2008 13:09:27 GMT -5
so, Penny, did you pick them up last night? I understood you were 'on your way'... ? I don't see even a plan for that in this morning's update above...
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Post by leosolis on Dec 4, 2008 13:11:57 GMT -5
I have to say I had no doubt in my mind that the thought of those two horses becoming SOS property would get Karan & Shelly off there dumb ass. I spoke with Dean very briefly this evening, my offer still stands if we can get them over here. That didn't have anything to do with it we offered to pick them up I just had to talk to AC to make sure they were informed that we would be taking them. Shawna if you have any questions about it let me know as soon as I spoke to Sgt Morris I called Dean At that time she was angry about AC knowing about the situation. I told her I would have Shelly call her and she stated that now SOS would get the horses. As soon as we knew they had to be out by friday we were working on how to get them. Penny, I guess maybe you didn't read the beginning of this thread..when the extremly rude, childish email was sent when Dean tried to join the CBER board. I'm pretty well versed in how this all works. A CBER BOD called Sgt Morris & well he advised them that he didn't need to be present, they requested it...Once again..more flippin drama that really had nothing to do with the horses. I'm sick of hearing everyone fight over SOOT/IVY and give not a sh*t about any of the other horses, just care about the one that will bring them publicity. IMO I also think its in extremely poor taste when others are dragging there feet to help because if Dean has less horses tomorrow then it might make her look better in front of the judge. Gosh she admits that she got in over her head, Is trying to do what the judge ordered & she still cant'. Like I said in the begininng, Dean has made some mistakes. But all of you over at CBER seem to think that a convicted child molester and animal abuser should be forgiven by all...so why wouldn't Dean be? She was CBER's dumping ground the entire time I was a volunteer...DUMP, b*tch about Dean, DUMP more horses on her, b*tch about her then dump some more..then run right over like CBER had been trying to remedy the situation. I know what the hell CBER was doing & that reason alone is why I offered to take those mares.
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Post by chatty on Dec 4, 2008 13:17:35 GMT -5
I'm really tired and calling name on both sides should end...Horses need placed, pick a person you trust and work from there...
chatty
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Post by penny/pals on Dec 4, 2008 14:21:42 GMT -5
so, Penny, did you pick them up last night? I understood you were 'on your way'... ? I don't see even a plan for that in this morning's update above... Dean told me on the phone last night that she did not want me to pick them up they would go to SOS. I have PMed her with my cell and home if she changes her mind and when I spoke with her I also gave her my #. So it is up to Dean as everyone keeps saying these are her horses to do with what she wants...
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Post by kidznhorses on Dec 4, 2008 15:45:53 GMT -5
Penny, if you're willing to help, would you pick up these horses and hold them until Shawna can pick them up? It seems like this would sure solve a lot of the problem. Those horses need to be taken care of first and foremost.
AND without involving AC. I just don't see the need for additional drama in all of this.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Dec 4, 2008 16:20:45 GMT -5
What a wonderful way for CBER folks to help take care of this arrangement Kidz, Yes, Penny, that would be a wonderful offer! You could go pick them up today, and deliver them to SOS, or hold them for a few days until they can come get them! Will that work?
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Post by kellyd on Dec 4, 2008 16:34:00 GMT -5
I hear that some cber people are now singing chuck's praises, saying that he has a heart, as he refused to sell a cber-listed horse to a private buyer.
chuck is no angel! Hello!! He is a horse-killer, for over 20yrs now!!!
chuck sold from underneath me, my first horse I was to adopt/rescue & I had already been 'approved' & paid for both the bail & QT!!
That would have been in Aug. 2007 & the horse was a little chestnut/white paint gelding, named 'Kiona'
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Post by wildwoman on Dec 4, 2008 16:38:53 GMT -5
Well whatever happens and how-I think we can all say for certain-no matter what side of which fence we may be on-these horses will not end up back at Chucks.-now it is just the figuring out 'where/how'
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Post by fatnsassyhorses on Dec 4, 2008 16:38:48 GMT -5
I can not believe all the mud being slung here.
Are we all forgetting what brings us to these boards - to help horses... come on folks... if you can get along so be it, but no one else wants to listen to all the crap....
It would make me embarrassed to be supporting any group who forgets the greater good and constantly attacks one another.
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Post by jenm on Dec 4, 2008 16:39:25 GMT -5
I hear that some cber people are now singing chuck's praises, saying that he has a heart, as he refused to sell a cber-listed horse to a private buyer. chuck is no angel! Hello!! He is a horse-killer, for over 20yrs now!!! chuck sold from underneath me, my first horse I was to adopt/rescue & I had already been 'approved' & paid for both the bail & QT!! That would have been in Aug. 2007 & the horse was a little chestnut/white paint gelding, named 'Kiona' Does Chuck have a heart? Nooo way. Does Chuck have a big fat bank account? Ohhhh yeah... I remember the story of Kiona. I'm so sorry that happened to you, Kelly.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 4, 2008 17:07:59 GMT -5
Well whatever happens and how-I think we can all say for certain-no matter what side of which fence we may be on-these horses will not end up back at Chucks.-now it is just the figuring out 'where/how' And that, right there, is what really matters.
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Post by Admin on Dec 4, 2008 21:23:20 GMT -5
The horses are first and foremost. There are stories on another forum that I have euthanized Ivy just to piss off people.. NO I have not. She is actually going to someone on our own RO Board that we all love! Just wanted to clear that up! It is my understanding that the rescues in this area are not willing to step forward and help for a couple of reasons. 1. They are afraid at the sentencing hearing if I have all the horses placed it will sway the Judge for leniency. 2. It's my own mess and people should not help me. I want to thank those of you on this board and others who have worked so hard the past few months to help me get the horses placed. You know who you are. I won't mention you by name:) But, from the very bottom of my heart I thank you.
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Dec 4, 2008 22:53:41 GMT -5
Well I'm on this BB, CBER, SOS, Hytyme & a few others, I can't remember which ones now.
I just keep my mouth shut at this point on all the BB's. I tend to post only on a horses thread.
The fact is, I've just been around too long & I've heard it all, well maybe not all but a whole lot of it. So on all the "she said, did whatever, stuff " I swear I give up, I surrender, I just don't know anymore & I know my opinion just does not matter!
Also with all the new members & the banning of old ones, I feel like my number maybe coming up too. I feel like I'm just starting all over again all the time & for what?
I totally support anyone who wants or can help a horse, but I think I'm pretty much of no use to anyone at this point.
One last thing, I just want to give my deepest thanks to all of you who have, are or will rescue any horse in need.
Amy
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Post by piopico on Dec 5, 2008 12:06:11 GMT -5
Hi Amy, nice to hear from you again. I'm learning that there are plenty of horses in my own neck of the woods that I can help, so I focus on that.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Dec 5, 2008 16:16:02 GMT -5
Thank you Penny and Shawna for stepping up and taking them. Obviously the CBER volunteers who WOULD have taken back any CBER horses - any time, adopted or not, have left the fold. Just lovely.
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Post by atticus on Dec 5, 2008 16:52:50 GMT -5
Thank you Penny and Shawna for stepping up and taking them. Obviously the CBER volunteers who WOULD have taken back any CBER horses - any time, adopted or not, have left the fold. Just lovely. Ain't that the truth....and they left a LOOOOONG time ago, no one stepped up to the plate from CBER to pick up any of the CCG horses that were near death and being abused and no one stepped up to the plate to drive up to N. Washington to pick up Brunhilda when they knew she was standing knee deep in mud and had no food, to name a few. It is not a surprise and if you are surprised, you must have your eyes closed tight.
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Post by Tate on Dec 5, 2008 17:28:53 GMT -5
Well, honestly, I'm glad they didnt "STEP UP", for those of us around long enough we all know what happens to the horses that no one adopts in their care.....back to Chuck or the trailer ride to Wayne's. In fact Thank God their out of their clutches.
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Post by shell on Dec 5, 2008 18:50:28 GMT -5
Ok, I have been a member of rescue boards before, and might possibly be in the market for another horse sometime here in the future. So please after reading all this enlighten me to what everybody is talking about and referring to. Sounds like a lot of bad blood between these two rescue groups. I would prefer to rescue a horse, but if the rescue cant be trusted I will take my business elsewhere and buy privately
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Post by Kirsten on Dec 5, 2008 22:48:24 GMT -5
Wow. I wonder who the jerk is who is manning the accounts. First Lorsadoon gets banned, then Leo get's deleted, then you are sent "Ummmm Im thinking no f**k**g way" when you try to register. REAAAAAAAAAAAAL professional, and frankly obviously not Sam. Sam may be a lot of things, but she was always polite. So, let's take a look at these folks who got the shaft from the CBER board in the last week. Lorsadoon. Long time CBER adopter and helped CBER more then they can imagine. She stepped up and saved CBER-Morpheus when he was going through the auction. She stepped in and rehomed adoptions gone bad with CBER-Mindy and CBER-Mandy. She helped to bail probably half a dozen CBER arabians. Leosolis. She was a long time CBER volunteer who stepped out and created her own rescue. Sam posted flowery emails all over the place about how she so supported Shawna and the new rescue. That she wanted the two rescues to work together and all of that. Dean. Long time dumping ground for CBER horses no one else would take. Just the other day Sam posted on the CBER board that she was sorry to hear that PEC was closing and that if Dean needed any help to just let her know... well, guess not since Dean was banned with that rude message and never even allowed to post for her CBER horses who needed help. Funny how folks like to make big public offers of help, but then won't step up when their offer is accepted and asked for... and instead block the person from even saying anything. For the record, this is what Sam posted last week... maybe karanoid should have checked with her superiors before she shunted Dean. I wonder what part of what Sam said, indicated to her staff that sending Dean an email that said "Ummmm Im thinking no f**k**g way" when she asked for help was appropriate. Well....I guess I get to "join the club"!!! LOL!
I've now been demoted, deleted and banned. Here is what I received today (with my response.)Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:56:23 -0800 From: shelley_g_99@yahoo.com Subject: Violation of CBER policy To: kirstenjanz@hotmail.com Kirsten, I have received an email stating that you have been sending derogatory information about CBER. I am not to pleased by this. At this time we are removing you from the newsletter and any involvement in CBER. IF you continue to pass on information that was available to you and was privileged there will be action taken against you. There was no reason for you to this. It is terrible when someone breeches the workings of an organization. example: "After doing some research and talking with Kirsten, I am not comfortable adopting a horse through CBER. There is just too much monkey business going on with this org. I hope the horses find homes." Thank you, Shelley D CBER President/ Applications Director Application Director Columbia Basin Equine Rescue www.columbiabasinequinerescue.orgLife is better with a horse. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Kirsten Janz <kirstenjanz@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Violation of CBER policy To: shelley_g_99@yahoo.com Cc: Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 5:45 PM Oh Shelley, That potential adopter was wondering why I was suddenly no longer a PS..and I explained to her the REAL reasons......because some people on this CBER staff were questioning my loyalty as I DON'T turn a blind eye or want to immediately ban members for asking questions. I never said anything derogatory to "harm" CBER nor violated CBER policy. Regardless...you cannot REMOVE me from the newsletter as I CREATED the newsletter. Nice try. And I no longer want any part of CBER due to what it has become. It's too much for me to turn a blind eye now, too many lies..too many "don't tell anyone that Sam pulled so and so horse as we need to get in as much donations as possible" etc etc...I'm quite exhausted of it all. And you ALL need to realize that as a 501c it is YOUR duty to answer to the public that gives you their hard earned donations. KARAN in particular~you should be aware of this. Maybe do some reading on what a 501c entails and what it is REALLY about. Anyways...good luck to ALL of you! I know I will remain in touch with a few of you!! Have a wonderful weekend! Cheers! Kirsten ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So ends my time with CBER.....I was accused of wanting to keep "these *itches on the board", allow negativity to occur on the board, blah blah blah... a member named winterpony joined the board and started asking questions, in particular about the meeting minutes~which are NOT very clear anyways~and for her questions Karan wanted to ban her...I said..NO! She has not violated any rules and her questions are legit. Why not answer them?? Funny how Winterpony was banned anyways... So from there my loyalty was questioned...and was soon demoted afterwards....and then was recently talking with another member (as mentioned in Shelley's email) who was interested in the two "kigers", she contacted me as I was the original PS...she asked me if they were in fact Kigers...my response..well I'm not too sure as I have received several emails from the BLM and Kiger Canadian Org. stating they were NOT kigers....anyways to make a long story short..she was worried they may ship...but of course it was failed to mention that these two mustangs were picked up LAST WEEK and were not at risk to ship!! So I told this member that...and also the MASS email sent out stating "12 horses, 2 days" was A LIE....I finally posted the truth that the two geldings were safe..and guess that didn't go over to well....then that member emailed again saying she was a bit concerned as she did some research on CBER...rip off reports articles etc...and saw that I was no longer a PS. I told her the real reason why I was no longer a PS and I guess that is "derogatory" to CBER and violates THEIR policy??!! Yeah sure... Anyways..enough said......living and learning every day.
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Post by sherigraf on Dec 5, 2008 23:02:41 GMT -5
What a total BOOB! Shelley, you can't be serious about taking "action" for cripessake. You are the talking head for an organization that thinks the rules are for everyone else and has the ethics of a child molester....OH, wait....they SHARE the ethics of a child molester.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 6, 2008 0:13:24 GMT -5
Not only that, but it is a pretty unlikely threat.
Kirsten never signed any contract, application, code or paperwork... and Kirsten lives in a foreign country!
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Post by hasinger on Dec 6, 2008 0:27:37 GMT -5
what a crock of crap. They think they can bully people like that. Flippen bring it on. WAY WAY WAY too many skeletons in their closets to want to open that can of worms. I think they should send their ex volunteers either hush money or fruit baskets, hell, even jam of the month club so we don't spill all of their precious secrets. I just hate the bullying. Really pisses me off.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 6, 2008 0:31:22 GMT -5
Heck, I would love it if they took someone to court... then we could all testify under oath, and omg, I would have a field day with DISCOVERY! LOL!
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 6, 2008 1:07:09 GMT -5
Ok, I have been a member of rescue boards before, and might possibly be in the market for another horse sometime here in the future. So please after reading all this enlighten me to what everybody is talking about and referring to. Sounds like a lot of bad blood between these two rescue groups. I would prefer to rescue a horse, but if the rescue cant be trusted I will take my business elsewhere and buy privately Try SOS! www.soshorses.orgor Equine Aid equineaid.net
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Post by leosolis on Dec 6, 2008 1:49:05 GMT -5
Ok, I have been a member of rescue boards before, and might possibly be in the market for another horse sometime here in the future. So please after reading all this enlighten me to what everybody is talking about and referring to. Sounds like a lot of bad blood between these two rescue groups. I would prefer to rescue a horse, but if the rescue cant be trusted I will take my business elsewhere and buy privately Try SOS! www.soshorses.orgor Equine Aid equineaid.netyou forgot www.hardluckhorses.com
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Post by penny/pals on Dec 6, 2008 12:06:24 GMT -5
Thank you Penny and Shawna for stepping up and taking them. Obviously the CBER volunteers who WOULD have taken back any CBER horses - any time, adopted or not, have left the fold. Just lovely. Ain't that the truth....and they left a LOOOOONG time ago, no one stepped up to the plate from CBER to pick up any of the CCG horses that were near death and being abused and no one stepped up to the plate to drive up to N. Washington to pick up Brunhilda when they knew she was standing knee deep in mud and had no food, to name a few. It is not a surprise and if you are surprised, you must have your eyes closed tight. Okay guys I am a CBER volenteer/member... Sorry to deflate the balloon of anger/resentment here. When I offered I offered as a CBER volenteer. Also on Brunhilda if I had known and was available I would have offered to pick her up the CCG issue was a night mare for everyone.
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Post by sherigraf on Dec 6, 2008 12:45:28 GMT -5
Deflate? Anger? Resentment?
I'm sure that it is not so much that as a general and spreading sense of fatigue over CBER folks thinking that they are doing so much good that they probably aren't doing anything wrong, against the grain, out of the ordinary, less than expected for a RESCUE, when it comes to the welfare of some of the less than perfect horses in their charge.
Money trumps animal. Money trumps doing the right thing. HMMM.... That's the kind of thinking that got these slaughter bound horses to the lot in the first place.
Why would anyone expect that same type of thinking to be acceptable just because CBER folks are doing the "thinking" whenever they get in a pinch? Yes, supporters have saved other horses. That however is not license to put horses back into the slaughter pipeline whenever the need arises.
So, go on and support the good part of CBER and continue telling us to look the other way and keep our mouths shut about the lesser acts. But do not start threatening those who speak out, complain, or report these acts.
Good grief, you'd think you would know better.
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