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Post by baadass on Dec 27, 2008 18:13:51 GMT -5
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Post by Tockita on Dec 27, 2008 18:15:53 GMT -5
It's common to lash out in anger after losing someone you are close to, a parent, a child... You are looking for someone to blame for the loss.
However I do think CBER has had far more tactful, more professional spokespersons in the past.
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Post by baadass on Dec 27, 2008 19:05:40 GMT -5
Was Karan close to Sam's mother?
Regardless, her choice of language is unacceptable under any circumstances.
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Post by sherigraf on Dec 27, 2008 19:09:47 GMT -5
Well...I was very sorry to hear of Sam's mom passing. HOWEVER, I was very disappointed to see what Karan's main priorites were the day of Sam's mom's passing....she made a point of emailing this to me....yet another example of her lovely class. From: karankees@live.com To: kirstenjanz@hotmail.com Subject: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:17:28 -0900 Just to let you know about all the comments you made about Sams Mom "Oh she is going to the Dr Oh she is having a MRI "..... Sam lost her Mom at 1 PM today So go post that and this....your a hateful heartless f**k**g thingy! "thingy" Karan actually wrote C U N T People are so dang colorful. :-) BTW, this must be transference since it was Sam's mom, not karen's or, god forbid CBER should have a birth mother......
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Post by Kirsten on Dec 27, 2008 19:20:29 GMT -5
Karan met sam's mom twice I believe.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 27, 2008 19:21:58 GMT -5
Oh, Karan has been colorful since day one (she became staff on 4/3/08 I believe... which was 3 days before "THE PAST" when the CBER horses were sent through Enumclaw auction). It certainly does not have it's root in any kind of grief since examples could be pulled up from months ago that would make a sailor blush. You would think CBER would get tired of apologizing for her eventually, but at this point I guess they got to hold on to anyone they can regardless of true value to the organization.
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Post by caryn on Dec 27, 2008 20:38:33 GMT -5
Yikes, hoping nobody confuses Caryn with Karan
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 27, 2008 20:46:18 GMT -5
Yikes, hoping nobody confuses Caryn with Karan I doubt that is much of a danger... there is a world of difference!
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Post by rodeo51 on Dec 28, 2008 0:27:43 GMT -5
Karen talks like someone who has been in the slam with her colorful language. It's a learned behavior and I can't believe CBER puts up with it. Caryn.....you are far a better person than karen ever thought of being. :-)
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Post by Kirsten on Dec 28, 2008 1:32:35 GMT -5
Soooo....I decided to wait until after christmas to send Karan's lovely email to her volunteer mates....here is some of the responses I got:
FROM KAY~WHO IS ON THE BOD: (I replied that as she is on the BOD she needs to be aware of what the volunteers representing CBER are DOING!!!)
Re: FW:þ From: Kay Bean Sent: December 27, 2008 10:45:40 PM To: Kirsten Janz (kirstenjanz@hotmail.com)
Please take me off this distribution list. I do not wish to be kept informed of the petty squabbling.
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Kirsten Janz <kirstenjanz@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Kirsten Janz <kirstenjanz@hotmail.com> Subject: FW: To: "Sam M" "Jonna McGinnis" "Melis Love" "Diane Repp" kaymacbean@yahoo.com, "Shelley" shelley_g_99@yahoo.com, "CBER Applications" <cberapplications@yahoo.com>, cberwendy@earthlink.net Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 4:58 PM
I understand there is resentment btwn me and whomever else...but in all honesty...there is NO EXCUSE to ever talk or write to ANYONE like this....perhaps CBER needs to have some policy which states that their volunteers are not allowed to mouth off to people. Very unprofessional.....and uncalled for.
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From: karankees@live.com To: kirstenjanz@hotmail.com Subject: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:17:28 -0900
Just to let you know about all the comments you made about Sams Mom "Oh she is going to the Dr Oh she is having a MRI "..... Sam lost her Mom at 1 PM today So go post that and this....your a hateful heartless f**k**g thingy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AND FROM SAM:
Re: FW:þ From: Samantha Milbredt (camelotfarm@nwinfo.net) Sent: December 27, 2008 11:54:27 PM To: Kirsten Janz (kirstenjanz@hotmail.com)
Please remove me from all your e-mails - the next one will be considered harassment.
Sam
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 28, 2008 1:38:44 GMT -5
Diane Repp once posted that anyone on the CBER BOD was responsible for anything and everything CBER did and that counted even if they were ignorant of it happening as she held that it was the BOD's responsibility to keep themselves informed. I wonder if she still feels this way now that she is CBER BOD... her fellows certainly don't seem to share those sentiments.
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Post by Maverick~Zora on Dec 28, 2008 1:46:36 GMT -5
Can we just go back to to helping a few horses, even just one, anywhere, by anyone, it would be just fine by me & a nice way to end the year.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 28, 2008 1:54:08 GMT -5
Read the 2008 Celebrated thread... we have been helping horses all year.
It does not require us to ignore CBER's atrocities to help a horse. We are perfectly capable of paying attention to both. It never ceases to amaze me where folks seem to think that the people who speak out against CBER are doing nothing for the horses themselves. There is not a single rescue in WA who will stand with CBER and yet all these rescues and individuals are still out there helping horses.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Dec 28, 2008 1:58:22 GMT -5
I felt betrayed in many ways as I discovered more and more underlying motives and dishonesty that I had not been aware of. Heidi - Thank YOU for everything you did. You are still a great friend....I only wish it hadn't taken the rest of us so long to discover the truth as well. We all tried so hard for so long to make the changes needed to make CBER a solid organization, but our hands were tied no matter how hard we tried. I guess they have the puppets in place now that they want to put money first and horses last.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Dec 28, 2008 2:04:33 GMT -5
However I do think CBER has had far more tactful, more professional spokespersons in the past. Yup, and we all got driven out! Not to mention.....It was Sam's mom that died, not Karan's. But hey, what an excuse to use........
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 28, 2008 2:04:40 GMT -5
I only wish it hadn't taken the rest of us so long to discover the truth as well. We all tried so hard for so long to make the changes needed to make CBER a solid organization, but our hands were tied no matter how hard we tried. The true sadness is that now we have to watch other good people go through exactly the same thing that we went through, with exactly the same blind devotion that we had, and exactly the same inevitable and unenviable outcome. Give it a couple months and soon they will be here with us and there will be a new batch filling their shoes at CBER. The only consolation there may be is that each cycle is taking less and less time.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Dec 28, 2008 2:15:03 GMT -5
I only wish it hadn't taken the rest of us so long to discover the truth as well. We all tried so hard for so long to make the changes needed to make CBER a solid organization, but our hands were tied no matter how hard we tried. The true sadness is that now we have to watch other good people go through exactly the same thing that we went through, with exactly the same blind devotion that we had, and exactly the same inevitable and unenviable outcome. Give it a couple months and soon they will be here with us and there will be a new batch filling their shoes at CBER. The only consolation there may be is that each cycle is taking less and less time. Except that if any of us had this in writing it wouldn't have been tolerated...... If Karan ever quits and tried to come here, I'm done. I'm convinced she's out to make a career of hate. It's not about the horses.
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Post by leosolis on Dec 28, 2008 2:34:33 GMT -5
Read the 2008 Celebrated thread... we have been helping horses all year. It does not require us to ignore CBER's atrocities to help a horse. We are perfectly capable of paying attention to both. It never ceases to amaze me where folks seem to think that the people who speak out against CBER are doing nothing for the horses themselves. There is not a single rescue in WA who will stand with CBER and yet all these rescues and individuals are still out there helping horses. Many of us are not only paying attention to NEW horses in need, but we are also taking in horses that CBER hasn't done right by & history seems to repeat itself over & over again...CBER horse needs help, CBER turns the other way...another rescue or individual steps in.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Dec 28, 2008 2:55:48 GMT -5
Seems to me that the only time CBER even acknoledges a former CBER rescue in need is after WE bring it into the limelight, and start trying to help... makes you wonder WHO ticked off poor YY's owner... I seriously doubt it was anyone from here... only good intentions here, but I am afraid CBER just wants to hide mistakes... and that is what it seems might have happened... they shut her up...
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Dec 28, 2008 3:05:07 GMT -5
Seems to me that the only time CBER even acknoledges a former CBER rescue in need is after WE bring it into the limelight, and start trying to help... makes you wonder WHO ticked off poor YY's owner... I seriously doubt it was anyone from here... only good intentions here, but I am afraid CBER just wants to hide mistakes... and that is what it seems might have happened... they shut her up... That was one of the last straws why I quit. Trying to make positive changes for the better for the horses was like hitting a brick wall......
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Post by sherigraf on Dec 28, 2008 11:54:16 GMT -5
Yikes, hoping nobody confuses Caryn with Karan NEVER!!! ;D
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Post by sherigraf on Dec 28, 2008 12:02:02 GMT -5
Can we just go back to to helping a few horses, even just one, anywhere, by anyone, it would be just fine by me & a nice way to end the year. Hey Amy. How the heck are ya? We'll get tired of playing soon enough and in the meantime maybe a new person will ask themselves a few good questions. Meanwhile, my rule is to send money to where it will do the most good AND adopt a horse because he/she is the one you want. Regardless of which rescue is involved. If we had to like every person we rescue from we'd be really screwed.
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Post by Kirsten on Dec 30, 2008 21:49:53 GMT -5
Hmmm..interesting...from tbfriends.com
"No longer are we shocked when finding an expensive warmblood, or a valuable lesson horse, at Northern California feed lots. Many horses on their way to slaughter are wearing brand new shoes. Braids in their mane. Polished hoofs. Dressing up for dinner, and yes the pun is intended. At most feed lots in America horses are priced at only 7 or 10 cents a pound. Here we are charged between 20 and 40 cents, and just imagine how many more horses we could rescue if we only had to pay what others pay."
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Post by kellyd on Jan 3, 2009 16:42:09 GMT -5
AQUA BAY: She was in the group of horses that I helped bail. She had hives & was herd bound to her friend, Sweet Pea. In this group, there were several horses I personally bailed. I even got a dear friend of mine to pitch in $200, along with my $250 to save Aqua Bay. I told sam that I loved this horse & she assured me that Aqua Bay would be safe, since I bail so many horses in this group. Now, I find out that Aqua Bay was betrayed!! Was sent to a very gruesome death & for what? For blood $$! I am so livid right now! Like AmyJo, I was afraid to speak out against cber. My fears are that I will feel so guilty if cber folds. Guilty that innocent horses on up-chuck's kill lot will not have a second chance to live. That's what scares me. I have another story to tell you too. But, I need to calm down first.
Kelly D.
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Post by Kirsten on Jan 4, 2009 15:54:23 GMT -5
Like Kelly..I too have another story to add.....and like her...I need to calm down as well.
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Post by michellep on Jan 5, 2009 11:57:30 GMT -5
If you have a story to tell, tell it. Angry or not it needs to be told people need to hear first hand before they can make a good decision. Im ready to hear the truth.......
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Post by Kirsten on Jan 5, 2009 12:56:31 GMT -5
Just waiting on a few more facts before posting....
On a side note....I was asked by a previous supporter if the volunteers "got paid" and if the volunteers benefited from sam's kickbacks.....or if we got paid to "keep quiet"....I told her No Way! But I would not be surprised if perhaps some of them were being paid now...especially after I was just told by a former volunteer that sam was considering adding her on the payroll.
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Post by michelle on Jan 5, 2009 13:07:31 GMT -5
Just waiting on a few more facts before posting.... On a side note....I was asked by a previous supporter if the volunteers "got paid" and if the volunteers benefited from sam's kickbacks.....or if we got paid to "keep quiet"....I told her No Way! But I would not be surprised if perhaps some of them were being paid now...especially after I was just told by a former volunteer that sam was considering adding her on the payroll. As far as I know, until Dec. 2007, the only person who made any money from cber is Sam, with the exception of perhaps Deb L. doing quarantine. All the other volunteers were expected to give their time and money for the effort. At one point, Sam wanted a new policy, where volunteers would have to pay monthly dues for the privilege of helping cber. modified to fix date
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Post by Kirsten on Jan 5, 2009 13:18:07 GMT -5
Just waiting on a few more facts before posting.... On a side note....I was asked by a previous supporter if the volunteers "got paid" and if the volunteers benefited from sam's kickbacks.....or if we got paid to "keep quiet"....I told her No Way! But I would not be surprised if perhaps some of them were being paid now...especially after I was just told by a former volunteer that sam was considering adding her on the payroll. As far as I know, until Dec. 2006, the only person who made any money from cber is Sam, with the exception of perhaps Deb L. doing quarantine. All the other volunteers were expected to give their time and money for the effort. At one point, Sam wanted a new policy, where volunteers would have to pay monthly dues for the privilege of helping cber. At one point, Sam wanted a new policy, where volunteers would have to pay monthly dues for the privilege of helping cber.WHAT??? Are you kidding me??? LOL! That is so sick...all I can do is laugh....man oh man....talk about arrogant!! Yes, please let me pay you Sam so I can volunteer for CBER! Even though I spend hours upon hours sitting at flippin computer answering emails, placing ads, monitoring the board, answering member questions, and on truck days, when I sit at the computer for 18 hours, YES! Please take my money! &*^% off. That just makes me sick. Get over yourself Sam.
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Post by shell on Jan 5, 2009 16:02:14 GMT -5
I have one quick question (dont mean to offend, I prefer to be blunt and not to sugar coat what I want answered)...........If you have a story to tell whether you are angry & pissed off or not why not just tell it? Why do additional facts need to be gathered? I assume that you have first hand knowledge of the facts and havent heard them from three or four different people before posting them here. What I would LOVE to see done is this, the people with first hand knowledge debate it here, where all the truth comes out, no BS'ing to try and not hurt feelings, no sugar coating of facts. If horses were supposedly "bailed & safe" but in reality sent to slaughter I want to know. I have to say that this whole CBER ordeal is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth towards any rescue. And thats a real shame......
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