Any CBER people reading here?

[TashGaia]

There were a great many who were misrepresented, but the question is was that intentional? I don't believe so. CBER has a huge list of problems, but the problems for me are the ones that they willfully do (such as sending safe horses to kill, or fraudulently billing someone by saying that someone had assigned a loan to them when that was complete BS, or saying that QT was required by an outside authority when it never was, sending horses with homes back to the feedlot and telling the adopters that someone else had adopted the horse, making up fake adopters, taking and personally pocketing kick backs from the feed lot owners for each horse adopted, filing false tax returns, using rescue funds for personal uses and profit, lying to donors and volunteers, etc), rather then simply being *wrong* about something. When I adopted Tarkh I was told that he was 1-2 years old when in fact he was 5... that is a big difference in terms of development and it means that correcting his extremely dangerous tendencies is a much bigger problem... but I do not look at that as so much CBER's fault. I think that the were simply wrong about the horse rather then being intentionally deceptive, fraudulent or unethical.

[mtangel]

I agree, Michelle. But there were other instances, like "B." The adopter adopted him as, I believe, a husband safe horse and he bucked the adopter off a few times, placing the rider at risk, and eventually ending up going to Serenity Training with Julianne before being adopted. I totally understand the issues of a horse being different away from the feedlot than on the feedlot, so maybe they need to spend a little more time evaulating/assessing before they make some write ups.

I also remember Morocco, who should NEVER have been listed with CBER in the first place. As sad as it is to say, he should have been euthanized before ever being considered for listing. He would never have been a sound horse as his legs were all crooked in the first place - as I remember it.

[michellep]

I dont think they have a lot of time in some of these horses cases. I could be wrong and it could be hard to find people brave enough to just jump on a feedlot horse without knowing anything at all. Kudos to those folks that do ride unknown horses on the lot, they are braver than I would be.

[Admin]

Anyone remember Frontier??

It's a mare, no..it's a gelding, oh wait I was shipped a stallion!

Heck, I got shipped horses that I never knew were coming!

[mtangel]

Oh yeah, Frontier. I remember her, I mean it, er...him well.

[shell]

So if you didnt know these horses were coming, why did you take them??

[TashGaia]

How do you not take them when they are delivered to your house and you would have to pay transport to have them sent back to CBER and that would just have gotten the horses shot or shipped?

I remember that very well. Sam used to send any "leftover" horses to Dean's when no one else would take them. I was PS on a few horses that were at Sam's and I remember calling her to get updates on them so that I could tell folks that were interested in them and she would tell me that she had thrown them on the trailer to Dean. That used to make me so mad because here I had folks interested in horses and then *poof* they would be gone and I was the PS and no one bothered to tell me. Heck, she even sent horses there that CBER never listed... all together I think there were around 50 CBER horses and foals sent there... not counting the 5-10 horses that were sent from CBER but were never listed by CBER.

[shell]

So what happened to these horses that Dean didnt know were coming? Were they then adopted out or what? Who paid for the horses to be pulled of the lot in the first place, just people on the board that wanted to save a horse but not adopt them? Were these horses just sent to Dean w/o QT fees paid?

[TashGaia]

CBER... if you don't like a thread, don't keep coming back read it again and again and again, as has been stated by several folks before... that is just ridiculous. Since this thread has had higher readership then any other thread in the entire history of this board, AND a higher number of posters... obviously the membership wants to read it and the 42 posters want to write about it.

[beckybee]

Dec 18, 2008 14:08:26 GMT -5 NanciK said:

MTA: This horse was already DEAD, when you asked about his well-being and background. WTF?

Even if the JC lists that they are dead, they may not be. My sister received a letter from the JC about her dead cber horse. (Dead horse was out in pasture happily munching grass at the time...)

[Admin]

Because I couldn't leave them in the shippers trailer! Yes, I had words with Sam many times.

Most of the horses we took were paid for ourselves, I think there was close to 50. This was back in the day when we could QT ourselves.

[kidznhorses]

This is a bucking stock mare who was heavily pregnant and deemed too vicious to rescue. She was being sent to slaughter. Heidi (halfwayhome) wouldn't hear of her being killed, so off to PEC she went and safely delivered her foal. Having never been touched and needing a ton of kind and gentle hands on, she was given to us last Spring. We are so grateful our mean, vicious, unhandleable mare did not go to slaughter as was intended.
Shasta

[mtangel]

She is beautiful kidz. Nice to see that vicious horse where she is instead of where she was intended to go to. ;-)

[swissgrl]

she is a gorgeous girl, and once again, another horse was doomed vicious and dangerous, and it turned out to be a nice one.
Just needed time.....

[TashGaia]

There are a great many horses who owe their lives to Heidi stepping in and saving them when they did not meet the requirements of the rescue.

[Admin]

WOW She looks great!

She was never a mean mare. She didn't know any better. Wasn't her fault. She was only scared and unsure of everything.

I will try and get some updated pics of her foal. He is gorgeous, well loved and taken care of by his adopters. She was an excellent mother. Very loving and kind.

Thank you to Heidi and Kerry!

[Tockita]

Dec 18, 2008 20:50:29 GMT -5 TashGaia said:

There are a great many horses who owe their lives to Heidi stepping in and saving them when they did not meet the requirements of the rescue.

And many more who like Blaze and Lucky Horse Casino lived the last of their days loved and well cared for because of her efforts.

[acarlson1980]

she looks beautiful. she was never mean. sam probably didn't like her so she didn't have a chance. thank you for stepping up and helping her. her baby is very cute too!!! and was quite the stinker. ;D i wonder if he still is?

[halfwayhome]

There are so many people I thank that stepped in when I would see a horse that should not ship ( for various reasons, including being blind, pregnant, injured, etc etc) Being there all the time for so long helped me really see what was going on and tuned me in to the animals crying out for help so to speak. I never regret helping the horses themselves and to see them shine and be happy or at least loved and cared for until humanely put down makes me happy beyond words. There are horses you guys never saw that I personally took home, most of them with a bad wound or so old and emaciated and weak that I could not let them get on the truck. Some Chuck wanted to "wrap the wound" and let them ship ( they are not supposed to ship horses with open bad wounds), but he did let me take them and so some I could help heal and rehome and some unfortunately were beyond help and my husband and I would have the vet exam, etc and then let them go safely and kindly with the vet euthanizing them. We always paid for most of these ourselves and also for their disposal, because we cannot bury them on our property due to the very high inground water table. It was my honor and purpose to be able to help them.
In the case of Shasta, she came in with a group of horses that had been running out and was heavily in foal. I asked S if we could list her and was told no, that she was wild and could not be handled, however when I talked to C was told that she had been handled at a young age and then subsequently was just turned out and never touched and was bred on the range, etc. When I had her in the alley way, she did allow me to work my way to her and to eat some grain and briefly touch her. At no time did she ever show "mean" or dangerous behavior. She was very nervous and scared, which happens to many horses at the lot. With time running out, and C telling me he was shipping EVERYTHING left that cber did not take, she was taken, thru many calls and with coordination of other people. C allowed me to send her off and was supposed to be paid directly for her. This led to S reading me the riot act about doing this, even though I reminded her that cber did not want her and would not help her and that C said he was shipping everything left. I was told that I should not interfere and much more. I again reminded her that I was told by S herself that Kerrie and I could help horses there that cber did not. The trouble is, S never seemed to remember what she told you from one day to the next and could turn on you in a heartbeat... From the bottom of my heart I thank all of you who I called upon for help and friendship in saving horses, it wasn't just me, it was a whole network of you great people. I am always open for conversation or questions about my time at the lot. I felt betrayed in many ways as I discovered more and more underlying motives and dishonesty that I had not been aware of.

[TashGaia]

Well of course she was mad that the horse was bought directly from Chuck. How is she supposed to get her kick back then?

[michellep]

So what about the loans that people thought they were getting that was BS? Real curious about that.

[TashGaia]

What loans are you talking about? The ones where different people loaned money to other people to rescue a horse? The Angel Fund loans? Or something completely different?

[acarlson1980]

is it just me or does it seem like cbers adoption fees have gone down?

[leosolis]

Dec 20, 2008 2:29:22 GMT -5 acarlson1980 said:

is it just me or does it seem like cbers adoption fees have gone down?

They probably have...she knows rumors of her getting kickbacks on all the horses are about to be validated. When you take $50 or more off of each horse that went directly to Sam it makes a difference. I would only venture to guess more went in her pocket from Chucks lot...

[halfwayhome]

They haven't gone down much when you look at their current feedlot horse prices! Highway robbery! Chuck has even said on a TV interview that he has gotten many horses for free lately and many are left on his scales basically abandoned. There is no way that those horses should be priced at what they are being priced at in this market situation.

[Maverick~Zora]

halfwayhome I am glad you are with us on this BB. I do know how much you did that we never heard about, but word gets around.

I started to really worry when they burned Hytyme out & then PEC became the new repository for the unlisted or overflow of horses, I just knew that would end badly at some point.

All so with you & Ryan's departure.

I never was a volunteer or on the inside so to speak, but word always has a way of getting back to me, it's a life curse I think.

[posie]

Sam lost her mom today. Whether you agree with her practices or not, I'm sure that you sympathize with her loss.

[barbpurple]

while i know that people didn't agree with sam and her practices but still hard to lose your mother to cancer and so close to xmas to boot..she died around 1pm today

[Admin]

I truly am sorry for the loss of her mother.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to Sam and her family.

[Kirsten]

Well...I was very sorry to hear of Sam's mom passing.

HOWEVER, I was very disappointed to see what Karan's main priorites were the day of Sam's mom's passing....she made a point of emailing this to me....yet another example of her lovely class.

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject:
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:17:28 -0900

Just to let you know about all the comments you made about Sams Mom "Oh she is going to the Dr Oh she is having a MRI "..... Sam lost her Mom at 1 PM today So go post that and this....your a hateful heartless f**k**g thingy!

"thingy" Karan actually wrote C U N T