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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 4, 2008 15:52:19 GMT -5
Hi,
I did recieve a response today from Sam from my request to address the financial questions...
here it is...
Hi Bath,
Marlene is coming into the office today - we are going to post the info hopefully today - if not tomorrow. However most if not all CBER's info from here on in will not go on the RO board. CBER has it's own board and the supporters of CBER want nothing to do with the RO.
Thanks,
Samantha
so, I guess the info is not forthcoming either in private or on a public forum.
just so ya know Nancy, I did try... and am saddened by the response.
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Post by toeps on Apr 4, 2008 15:55:27 GMT -5
want nothing to do with the RO?
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 4, 2008 16:03:43 GMT -5
"the supporters of CBER want nothing to do with the RO"
Wow... OK, this one kinda irks me. I really don't like being told what I want nothing to do with and I find it highly presumptuous that someone would presume to speak for someone else. Then again, maybe it is CBER that wants nothing to do with the supporters since RO has been instrumental in supporting CBER for over a year.
Geesh! Am I being overly sensitive here? How do all you feel about being told what you can and cannot have to do with?
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Post by chatty on Apr 4, 2008 16:22:22 GMT -5
CBER is the horses, we at the RO are the adopters...Horses and RO are getting Pooped on, push face first in it...
This is the horses lose....chatty
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Post by janet on Apr 4, 2008 16:31:52 GMT -5
This response doesn't surprise me in the least. I've been a member of the"old" RO board and this one. Never could get answers and this is a very typical response. That's why I don't bother any more. I just work for the horses and ignore the rest. Also the reason, I'd rather go over to SOS. I can QT my own if I need to and I like their monthly expense statements. Very open.
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Post by chatty on Apr 4, 2008 16:36:04 GMT -5
I have 2 wonderful CBER horses...And as far as I know this is the first negitive thing every said about any one of us....Some of us are old CBER BB members...
chatty
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 4, 2008 17:18:18 GMT -5
Agree Tash... having been a staunch CBER supporter, and knowing that the majority of us on RO are supporters... it is a slap in the face that she sees us as 'non-supporters' I guess, or at least not useful ones... she appears to be taking her friends and going elsewhere to play...
not a nice way to treat those who have paid to adopt and provided housing on ongoing support for THOUSANDS of horses she has put up for placement...
I personally have contributed to dozens of horses, and have taken 10 CBER ones who I continue to support every single day (all but one, Angel, she is with Katie)
I see on the tax records that she donates NO money to CBER, nor does any of the BOD...
so, as far as I see it 'WE' are the suporters, and we've just been told she doesn't want to work with us any more.
this has been her historical pattern, dismissive and not forthcoming with info on the finances. It is unfortunate. Fully public supported entyties NEED the public to continue. Nice way to treat your past and current donors... and ensure they are not future donors.
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Post by gratefulknits on Apr 4, 2008 17:20:20 GMT -5
Sam, if you read this (and I hope you do):
I have been (and to date still am) a supporter of CBER; AND I am a very faithful and active member on RO. I certainly don't fall into the category of CBER supporters who want nothing to do with RO.
In any case, I know nothing about CBER having it's own board, unless by board you mean board of directors. Would you be willing to clarify? And would you be willing to rethink the statement "the supporters of CBER want nothing to do with the RO"? I think if you stand by this statement it will create irreparable harm to the relationship between CBER and it's many supporters who are also RO members.
Thank you,
Hope
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Post by toeps on Apr 4, 2008 17:26:27 GMT -5
I think probably "supporter" should read "the volunteers she deems friends"? and I find it offensive and a slap to the face
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Post by atticus on Apr 4, 2008 17:30:40 GMT -5
I have chose so far to keep quiet on this subject, but would like to say something from someone who has been here for many years. As a person who has been doing this since before CBER even had their own board (which they do not now for public, I helped make their previous BB and run it) and from the start of this board & even being a previous part of CBER volunteer base......I will say with great regret.....I am totally NOT surprised by the response. I have no ill will towards CBER I appriciate them saving my horses, I just choose not to give my money to them anymore, there are reasons I have for that which are my choice. But as all you hash this out I will say this is NOT the first time this issue has come up and it will not be the last so get used to it, it is likely to be swept under the rug again unless you all "really" want to know where your money is going to and get the answers. I worked behind the scenes at CBER for a long long time and I will say this one time......research where your money goes before you give it, be sure when you donate money it is going to who you want it to help. That goes for not only CBER but any charity you help. It is good advice.  |
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 4, 2008 17:32:13 GMT -5
This feels like watching a train wreck... and why? Because folks who have been supporting CBER from the beginning asked some questions about an email that even the BOD felt was disturbing? It seems as though CBER would rather say "Screw You!" then bother talking to folks and that seriously bothers me. I have adopted 6 CBER horses, cleaned up tons of CBER messes, given enormous amounts of money both directly and indirectly, volunteered thousands of hours, served on the BOD, defended CBER against everything... and I feel absolutely gut punched.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 4, 2008 17:42:41 GMT -5
I guess there has always been a feeling down deep that there was some 'inner circle' of people who 'really knew' what was going on, and that they only let us know what they needed to in order to get our money... past that, they don't give a sh*t about us, or doing it right...
this certainly makes ME feel like Sam sees us and our money/support as expendable... and she seems to feel like she can just go find many more people somewhere else to support her... and CBER... 'plenty more where we came from... ' or something.
while in the short term it is the horses who lose, it is in the long run that they may win... if the group of us continue to rescue, and there are plenty of horses in other lots than Chuck's to rescue from... and if we continue to pursue doing this the right way... we will succeed in doing it even better...
perhaps we will even find a way to not give the 'Chuck's of the world' a quarter of a million dollars...
maybe we can find a way to use that for the horses instead...
we are a force to be reconed with... that is a LOT of money guys.
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Post by lisam on Apr 4, 2008 17:50:47 GMT -5
I am sorry CBER has decided to handle this problem in this way. Especially the way they are treating the people who give their hard earned money to save these horses.
I'm sorry the other thread on this subject has been moved to where we can't read it, either. I thought it had some good information, not only for CBER, but for all who want to be involved in the horse rescue world.
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 4, 2008 17:54:50 GMT -5
If you are talking about the "Is this Legit" thread, it is in the General Archives and can be read by anyone since the General Archives are not locked.
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 4, 2008 18:02:10 GMT -5
Hi, I did recieve a response today from Sam from my request to address the financial questions... here it is... Hi Bath, Marlene is coming into the office today - we are going to post the info hopefully today - if not tomorrow. However most if not all CBER's info from here on in will not go on the RO board. CBER has it's own board and the supporters of CBER want nothing to do with the RO. Thanks, Samantha so, I guess the info is not forthcoming either in private or on a public forum. just so ya know Nancy, I did try... and am saddened by the response. So just WHERE is this CBER board? And I hate to say it, but the supporters of CBER are quickly dwindling away. Like I said in a previous post that is now archived. It is amazing that someone is so disrespectful of its donors. WE have supported CBER and WE have supported Sam. Yes, it feels like a slap. |
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 4, 2008 18:04:57 GMT -5
If you are talking about the "Is this Legit" thread, it is in the General Archives and can be read by anyone since the General Archives are not locked. If you click on the general archives link, it says you do not have access to this area, or something to that effect. |
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Post by lisam on Apr 4, 2008 18:06:58 GMT -5
If you are talking about the "Is this Legit" thread, it is in the General Archives and can be read by anyone since the General Archives are not locked.
Oh, when I click on the link it says there is an error and that I do not have permission to access to that area.
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Post by wildwoman on Apr 4, 2008 18:11:09 GMT -5
yeah me too
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Post by earlybp on Apr 4, 2008 18:14:39 GMT -5
Ugh. I feel gut-punched too, and I haven't put in nearly the time that TashGaia did. I got out about the time that Tash got in.
I mean, I really hoped that I was just being a b*tch about things.
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Post by carly1964 on Apr 4, 2008 18:38:00 GMT -5
Someone sent me the second email that Sam wrote about where the monthly funds she receives goes. I have to say I was more than a little shocked that she is using half of the $9,000 she receives everyon month on her personal and business bills that are not CBER. No wonder she doesn't want to account to any of us. While several of us have done without to support CBER, she is complaining about only having $800 a month profit left over after paying ALL of her bills. I don't know about you guys, but I'm lucky to have enough to pay all the bills, let alone have anything left! I can't support CBER any longer either. It is definitely NOT about the horses.  |
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Post by agilitygal on Apr 4, 2008 18:42:38 GMT -5
Well, this is very interesting. I have been giving any extra monies to CBER for many years. I am not a big donor because I don't have it to give. BUT, I have gone without funds for my own expenses because there was one more horse to save. My needs, on occasion, really have been put on a back burner because one more animal did not have more time. . .and, I did.
I have not played politics nor engaged in fights throughout the years. I have always kept my focus on the horses that needed help because when they ended up in a feedlot, there was no one else.
I naively thought that this was the CBER rescue board and my impression was that we were appreciated and a valued part (the biggest supporter) of this feedlot rescue. I am stunned to find out otherwise.
I have been reading the "Is This Legit?" thread that has disappeared and was impressed by all of your replies. There are some very thoughtful and intelligent people here and there were some very good suggestions. If this is not the CBER rescue board, then I'm not sure I understand why it disappeared.
Due to Sam's not-so-carefully-worded response, I think I'm going to have to pull back and rethink this. I would rather that my small donations be appreciated and thankfully accepted elsewhere and would be a valued part of feedlot rescue. I have recently been giving to the SOSequines efforts and trying to make a difference for those horses destined for the Mexican slaughterhouses. Perhaps that is where I'll focus my future efforts. They are posting a monthly donation/expense accounting there.
I love this board and appreciate all of you. I hope you will continue to post here as I have learned so many things. I am saddened that something I value may come to an end. But, for myself, I no longer have the time nor inclination to work for anyone or anything where my daily emotional and monetary sacrifices are not appreciated nor valued.
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Post by michellep on Apr 4, 2008 18:55:46 GMT -5
Im saddened that I dont feel valued as an adopter of a Cber horse. I use this board as a tool for knowledge so that maybe I can be a better horse owner. Its too bad that things happened the way they did. This should be about the horses left at the lot. Strong words and hurt feelings can always be mended another day. Once those horses load on the truck tomorrow morning they are gone for good.
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Post by jenm on Apr 4, 2008 18:57:50 GMT -5
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Post by chatty on Apr 4, 2008 19:13:31 GMT -5
RO is still about the horses...We all rescue in many ways, from CL, auctions, by word of mouth...
And yes anyone of us can go to Seal's feedlot (Chuck's) look at the horses and buy one if we wish...His sign says "Buy, Sell, Trade Horses"..
One bad word does not stop any of us....Pick your jaws up, dust yourself off and rescue a horse...
I'll say no more on this subject, chatty
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Post by chrisw on Apr 4, 2008 19:15:01 GMT -5
Can we please try and save Diva and Gemini? Let's not just leave them..............Is it too late?
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Post by halfwayhome on Apr 4, 2008 19:34:50 GMT -5
There are many loving, kind, caring, responsible horse people on this forum, you have put forth money, time, tears and smiles in representing the horses who cannot speak for themselves. You look into the eyes of your own horses and the feedlot horses and auction horses and abandoned horses and made a difference for them. As someone who decided to go their own way and help horses in my own way, you have to know that you can make a difference within your own sphere. RO knows now they are not just about CBER, but you can be about HORSES everywhere. As Chatty says, rescue the horses in other ways, as Atticus says, look into who you give your money and time to very very carefully. If CBER wants to do it their way without your help, without communication and basic courtesy, then leave them to it, there are sooooo many needy horses out there and believe me they WILL appreciate you. I love your loyalty and your empathy, but now your eyes have been opened and it hurts. I thank each of you who sacrificed to save a horse, you made a difference to THAT horse.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 4, 2008 19:37:10 GMT -5
Thanks Heidi,
we needed to hear that.
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Post by chrisw on Apr 4, 2008 19:54:14 GMT -5
" Is this Legit?" Who is the owner of this board?? Dean?? Can you open this thread again for the memebers to read and access???
Thank you
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Post by pikzeedust on Apr 4, 2008 20:05:26 GMT -5
Well said Heidi......
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Post by agilitygal on Apr 4, 2008 20:09:23 GMT -5
Yes, thank you Halfwayhome. I've been thinking about this during the drive home tonight. You've said what I didn't say. There are other places and ways better suited to what I have to offer. I have no intention of stopping rescue efforts, but will adjust where. Being told that an organization wants nothing to do with you (or your money) is pretty much putting it out there. I am giving thanks that I'm no longer going to be associated with a group that is taking on that kind of karma. I do wish them the best for continued successful rescue efforts. I am more needed elsewhere.
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