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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 7, 2009 11:23:56 GMT -5
There are many rescue boards with resources listed for all the things you mentioned. Cutiepiepmu is on here and on a few other boards also if her resources are needed.
A lot of boards have transportation, nutrition, behavior and training threads.
SOS equines
SAFE horses
Hytyme
I am sure many here can provide additional resources and links to places where you can find help for a horse.
The absolute only reason to hang out on a CBER BB is to keep an eye out on what they are doing and to TRY to make sure the horses are safe, but as we have learned, if they are with CBER, their safety in NOT guaranteed.
Modified to add Hytyme.
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Post by bridgetah on Apr 7, 2009 11:51:05 GMT -5
Check it out today - it's an auction report. Very sad!
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Apr 7, 2009 12:29:16 GMT -5
For a $200 debt to Chuck. Wow. How hard would it have been to say "Hey - although we're bleeding you dry in adoptions, we need $200 by x date or our only choice is to return a horse to Chuck so it can be canned?" I'm sure someone would have coughed up the money. |
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 7, 2009 12:49:44 GMT -5
SSDD
This is classic CBER system. If there are questions tell folks that the horse was adopted and that the adopter put the horse down. This is NOT the first time that this happened.
Let's take a look at Cozumel the white appaloosa gelding. He and Aqua Bay (bay paint mare) were said to have been adopted by a man in New Mexico... The story that Sam told folks was that the adopter from New Mexico had them in training up here and after three months the trainer determined that the horses were dangerous and the adopter had them put down. Truth? The horses were never adopted and never left Camelot until they went to kill. There was no adopter.
Or how about Maple, the sweet two year old filly? Taken back to the lot by CBER after going through QT even though she had an adopter who wanted her, and traded for another horse at Chuck's that they sold and kept the money for. And the adopter who wanted to give Maple a home? She was told that another adopter had stepped up and adopted the filly.
Moonstruck. The TB mare... yep. "Adopted" to kill. I suppose there is no law saying that a kill buyer cannot be listed on the bulletin boards as a "private party".
Spring? The chestnut TB mare never even was taken off the feedlot even though funds were collected for her and updates (with photoshopped pictures!) were posted about her being in QT.
Powdered Sugar and Cocoa? The little appy mare and her young foal... yep. Them too... even though the colt had a home to go to - I know! I was it!
Spruce? Peachy? Lavendar? Meadow? Vesper? Dandilion? Lauren? Coffee? Chai? Antigua? All sent to kill.
Dixie... the filly described as a wonder-horse until it came out she was sent back to Chuck's. All they ever needed to do was to call her breeder and she would have taken her back... instead she was listed at $1,800 until the day she died. They could have offered her for free and given her to a good home.
These horses are dead because people didn't believed it was happening. It is still happening and the new CBER folks are still believing that it isn't happening. If you are still burying your head in the sand - are you willing to accept the next deaths on your shoulders? It is a heavy burden to bear... I know, I believed in CBER for a very long time and I carry these horses names on my shoulders every day.
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Post by beckybee on Apr 7, 2009 13:14:19 GMT -5
I totally support the idea of not joining the CBER forum, in whatever form it takes.
The members of the board lend legitimacy to CBER. I first started following CBER because of the gals I "talked" to everyday. How could CBER be corrupt if all these great people were donating so much time, money, heart & soul?
Please boycott any CBER board. You are supporting them by being there.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 7, 2009 13:20:28 GMT -5
I totally support the idea of not joining the CBER forum, in whatever form it takes. The members of the board lend legitimacy to CBER. I first started following CBER because of the gals I "talked" to everyday. How could CBER be corrupt if all these great people were donating so much time, money, heart & soul? Please boycott any CBER board. You are supporting them by being there." The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Amen! |
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 7, 2009 13:32:18 GMT -5
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Post by Kirsten on Apr 10, 2009 13:37:34 GMT -5
*sigh*~how sad that almost bi-weekly CBER is scrambling to cover their tracks and that innocent horses are being destroyed to help out CBER's bank account. I am just happy that more and more people are seeing the truth.....for those who haven't~come CBER followers~wake up! True, many of us disapprove of CBER....BUT there is just too MANY FACTS and incidents for it to be made up. Think about it.
RIP Dixie.
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Post by Kirsten on Apr 10, 2009 13:40:21 GMT -5
Omigosh~i just read Kristine's take on this. WTF.
"NO ONE WANTS A HORSE WITH A DRY SOCKET WHO EATS WOOD LIKE A BEAVER."
Excuse me??? Is that the mentality now??? Any horse with an issue...meh..let's just send it back to Chuck. What the hell. My rescued TB is a cribber-"eats wood like a beaver" and he is now the best lesson horse and everyone loves him!!! This just makes me SICK!!!!!!! She could have found a home. Shame on you.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Apr 10, 2009 17:00:04 GMT -5
I totally support the idea of not joining the CBER forum, in whatever form it takes. The members of the board lend legitimacy to CBER. I first started following CBER because of the gals I "talked" to everyday. How could CBER be corrupt if all these great people were donating so much time, money, heart & soul? Please boycott any CBER board. You are supporting them by being there. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." I've never even attempted to register over there. The funny thing is...someone sent me a screen capture today. Karan apparently thinks she's having an argument with me. But I spell my screen name correctly. So not really sure WHO Karan thinks she's talking to...... |
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Apr 10, 2009 17:04:38 GMT -5
SSDD This is classic CBER system. If there are questions tell folks that the horse was adopted and that the adopter put the horse down. This is NOT the first time that this happened. Let's take a look at Cozumel the white appaloosa gelding. He and Aqua Bay (bay paint mare) were said to have been adopted by a man in New Mexico... The story that Sam told folks was that the adopter from New Mexico had them in training up here and after three months the trainer determined that the horses were dangerous and the adopter had them put down. Truth? The horses were never adopted and never left Camelot until they went to kill. There was no adopter. Or how about Maple, the sweet two year old filly? Taken back to the lot by CBER after going through QT even though she had an adopter who wanted her, and traded for another horse at Chuck's that they sold and kept the money for. And the adopter who wanted to give Maple a home? She was told that another adopter had stepped up and adopted the filly. Moonstruck. The TB mare... yep. "Adopted" to kill. I suppose there is no law saying that a kill buyer cannot be listed on the bulletin boards as a "private party". Spring? The chestnut TB mare never even was taken off the feedlot even though funds were collected for her and updates (with photoshopped pictures!) were posted about her being in QT. Powdered Sugar and Cocoa? The little appy mare and her young foal... yep. Them too... even though the colt had a home to go to - I know! I was it! Spruce? Peachy? Lavendar? Meadow? Vesper? Dandilion? Lauren? Coffee? Chai? Antigua? All sent to kill. Dixie... the filly described as a wonder-horse until it came out she was sent back to Chuck's. All they ever needed to do was to call her breeder and she would have taken her back... instead she was listed at $1,800 until the day she died. They could have offered her for free and given her to a good home. These horses are dead because people didn't believed it was happening. It is still happening and the new CBER folks are still believing that it isn't happening. If you are still burying your head in the sand - are you willing to accept the next deaths on your shoulders? It is a heavy burden to bear... I know, I believed in CBER for a very long time and I carry these horses names on my shoulders every day.And yet again......Sam couldn't even keep her story straight. Caryn and I were running the app approvals at that time, and Aqua Bay was supposedly adopted out but no application on file for the "Man from New Mexico" (Ted?) that adopted him. We kept asking Sam for the contact info for this person, saying an app needed to be on file and approved regardless of whether he had the horse already or not. Sam kept saying she'd approved him, he's a nice guy. Finally gave us the contact info for this person and advised he was already in NM with the adopter. I was never told he was "in training" up north. Well, lo and behold...the contact numbers for this guy were no good. No one by that name existed or could be found anywhere near where he supposedly lived. We told Sam that after that, absolutely no horses could go without an app on file that was also approved. But many horses were adopted out "on site to good people". Of course that was always the policy but we wanted it in force. (Mod to add that) Aqua Bay is when my radar started to go off and make me really look at what could be going on. Finding out about Maple and having Chuck confirmed that Sam had her hand in it was when I woke up and quit. |
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Post by caryn on Apr 10, 2009 17:09:46 GMT -5
Hey Stacie, Seriously?  Is the person "fighting" with Karan using a name similar to yours? Weird. Whatever... I'm not registered over there either. I have no desire to. My CBER days are so OVER!!!! |
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 10, 2009 17:25:17 GMT -5
I've never even attempted to register over there. The funny thing is...someone sent me a screen capture today. Karan apparently thinks she's having an argument with me. But I spell my screen name correctly. So not really sure WHO Karan thinks she's talking to...... Well, maybe Karan should come on over here and do some explaining. I have been told she is NOT BANNED on this board. So now what is her excuse. Wasn't she the one who said "bring it on"? |
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Post by rodeo51 on Apr 10, 2009 17:33:37 GMT -5
Karan is aruging with a person named Micki who she thinks is Stacy....only it's not Stacy...it's someone named Micki. Ahhhhh but Karan knows all.....   |
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Post by dancinwithhorses on Apr 10, 2009 17:57:25 GMT -5
Omigosh~i just read Kristine's take on this. WTF. "NO ONE WANTS A HORSE WITH A DRY SOCKET WHO EATS WOOD LIKE A BEAVER." Excuse me??? Is that the mentality now??? Any horse with an issue...meh..let's just send it back to Chuck. What the hell. My rescued TB is a cribber-"eats wood like a beaver" and he is now the best lesson horse and everyone loves him!!! This just makes me SICK!!!!!!! She could have found a home. Shame on you. What happened to this horse is horrible and shows that CBER is NOT a rescue! |
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Post by spicy-racer on Apr 11, 2009 1:40:57 GMT -5
I am sure they will ban me asap , but I am the one that is DEMANDING vet records!!~ I don't think anyone knows the whole truth anymore... no one knows what the other lied about!!! I feel saddest for the newbies that know no better! Poor horses.... some have huge hope!
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Post by jenm on Apr 11, 2009 10:16:12 GMT -5
I am sure they will ban me asap , but I am the one that is DEMANDING vet records!!~ I don't think anyone knows the whole truth anymore... no one knows what the other lied about!!! I feel saddest for the newbies that know no better! Poor horses.... some have huge hope! Good for you for pushing for information, even it won't be provided. They may not ban you, but the thread discussing it may suddenly disappear with no explanation. As for vet records, that would be tough to believe even they did produce them. There was discussion in the past about getting vet records falsified, and I happen to know that for a fact. |
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Apr 11, 2009 14:13:34 GMT -5
Karan is aruging with a person named Micki who she thinks is Stacy....only it's not Stacy...it's someone named Micki. Ahhhhh but Karan knows all..... Karan is paranoid. I've never even attempted to sign up on that board & don't want to. Don't know who Micki is but sorry you're being harrassed. |
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Apr 11, 2009 14:16:52 GMT -5
Hey Stacie, Seriously? Is the person "fighting" with Karan using a name similar to yours? Weird. Whatever... I'm not registered over there either. I have no desire to. My CBER days are so OVER!!!! Yeah. Either some poor soul who got sucked in recently but woke up quickly, or.....could be totally made up to continue the controversy because they thrive on it. Who knows. Karan knows that's not me. |
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Post by mbr on Apr 11, 2009 21:03:05 GMT -5
I am Micki, I was wondering why Karan said I have been done with CBER for over a year, I haven't even been a member for a year, sorry Stacie I have no idea why she thinks I'm you she is arguing with me cause I asked for proof, I guess I just don't understand why they cant just show proof and get it over with, well I actually know why they cant cause the only proof they have is sales reciept for the slaughter truck. The only time I even posted on CBER board was to ask about ying yang and Dixie so not sure why she thinks I'm Stacie. |
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Post by spicy-racer on Apr 12, 2009 1:12:51 GMT -5
there is NO proof!!! Either THEY had her shipped or someone "put her down" which no is being said that she could have been put down "by other means' WTF??? Well hopefully, as this is better than the torture of slaughter... I think Diane and Helen have fullcup blinkers on and take trankquilizers EVERY-DAY!!!!!!
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 12, 2009 10:04:51 GMT -5
Spicy, have you gotten the boot yet for asking to many questions? After all this time I would not belive any document they provided any way.
When will people wake up and see CBERs "facts" are so convoluted they have more twists and turns than a rollercoaster.
Either way, Dixie is dead. CBER shipped her, or they sold her to someone who sold her to someone with not one bit of concern as to the horses welfare. How many rescues do you know who have the policy that once the horse leaves their hands, it does not matter what happens to it. They even state that. Once the horse leaves our hands we have no contol over what happens to it. Well, what about an adoption contract? That way you would have control, per the contract.
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Post by beejoyfulmk on Apr 12, 2009 11:46:04 GMT -5
Im still there Im trying to get some info ....I know that will happen, makes me sick, how many more horses will die. and when theres nothing left to say cber plays the "all this drama is killing our horses on the lot" crap..... |
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Post by mbr on Apr 12, 2009 12:51:26 GMT -5
LOL, they just banned me ;D and all I asked was for proof |
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Post by mbr on Apr 12, 2009 23:47:20 GMT -5
The only reason I'm MBR here is because my kids wanted me to have a cool name and I couldn't think of one, so MBR are my and my kids anitials, I am Micki the one Karan is fighting with... CBER says they where never an owner of Dixie, however they gave her to the trainer and she became this great horse (in the trainers words) then fugly came out and people started asking questions, and WOW all sh*t broke loose, I got band for asking, If CBER didn't know anything why not just say Dixie was out of their hands, instead of coming up with lies??? I honestly believe they are horse traders and DO NOT care about the horses.. Sam has not even comented on this subject.. that's the only reason I kept a membership over there was to see what was going on.. that is only what they want to go on...
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 13, 2009 0:51:40 GMT -5
What really surprises me is the fact that all the CBER supporters seem to be overlooking on key fact.
Do they think that Fugly just happened to pick the one horse that had mysteriously colicked with an adopter who would not help CBER out? There are hundreds of CBER horses and of course she just happened to pick that one... what are the chances? In order to believe that you would have to give her impossible luck... or figure that somehow she knew that the horse had "colicked" before even CBER itself did... Let's think about that one...
Or, maybe, just maybe... she knew the truth and blogged about it and then CBER came up with a quick cover story.
So did she completely make up the story and happen across the one horse that had died apparently without CBER knowing it... or did she tell the truth and CBER make a cover story?
Kinda an interesting question when you figure that in addition to FUGLY saying this there are two other 501c3 equine rescues that were involved in researching this... and one of them tried to warn CBER that there was a problem with the horse and then got banned. Now folks on CBER are accusing her of dropping in, questioning, and then leaving - she didn't leave, she was BANNED! Now, why would CBER ban another rescue that they have adopted horses to in the past for simply asking for a welfare check? Again, to me, it points to the whole quick cover story option.
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Is the person "fighting" with Karan using a name similar to yours? Weird. Whatever...
