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Post by countrygirl on Jun 4, 2009 19:10:29 GMT -5
JoAnn... that's what I tried to do... I did not realize the powerful negative effect that listing the Feedlot horses would have on the board. At any rate, after Friday the NW Rescues Board will no longer be listing CBER related horses. It seems that by listing them, it is hurting the horses we are trying to help, and eventually the board will fail. There will also be changes in moderation. I would welcome any help .... If you have any questions, or would like to help with the board, please e-mail me. nwhorserescues@live.com Jonna, Have you ever thought about listing the horses and going directly through Chuck without using Sam to QT or evaluate the horses. I would think there are other people in the Yakima area that would love to help the horses. I too won't have anything to do with CBER, because of Sam's unethical involvement, but with Sam out of the picture you might have more interest in helping the feedlot horses. Just a thought.
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Post by beckybee on Jun 4, 2009 19:31:28 GMT -5
I would think there are other people in the Yakima area that would love to help the horses. quote] Oooo ooo ooo! I nominate Heidi!
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Post by tireddog on Jun 4, 2009 19:40:24 GMT -5
Heidi gets my vote, too! She always has gotten my vote. She is an angel to the horses and is the reason some blind and crippled horses didn't ship, but came to TDR to live out their days. Jonna, I commend you for your decision. You are a woman of conviction. I expect your board will see much more positive activity and bring happy lives to more horses who otherwise would have none. And please don't think for a second that you are turning your back on the feedlot horses. There is a time and a place for everyone and everything. I hope you realize you have a niche of your own and will help tremendously on this new path. New feedlot-only BB: rebelsequinefeedlotsales.myfastforum.org/index.php
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Post by beckybee on Jun 4, 2009 19:40:37 GMT -5
Sort of OT, but I was looking at the CBER/Camelot website and there is a horse listed under Sponsored named Legend. His bio is missing because he is "pending". What was the description on him? He looks a lot like my big boy Raz. Is he another Trakehner?
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Post by cherie on Jun 11, 2009 16:07:28 GMT -5
Note: to the current, well-intentioned (benefit of doubt here) creators of the umpteenth post-CBER forum. I would like to present a hypothetical, theoretical model.
The Stages of CBER Addiction and Recovery Addiction Stage 1: Stumble across CBER online, think to self, "Oh, look at those poor, beautiful horses." Stage 2: Start to follow "Feedlot" updates. Stay up into the early hours agonizing over the supposed fate of a horse pictured on the internet. Stage 3: Begin to donate to CBER. Weep over horses that are shipped and celebrate when the "truck" is delayed. Send money even though bills might go unpaid. Become outraged when reading "anti-CBER" information posted online by "haters". Try to offer "rational" response, hoping to counter their damage to "the horses" Stage 4: Become actively involved in CBER, volunteering, sending money, adopting, etc. Create shrine to Saint Sam. Begin to stalk "haters" online: threaten, attack, hack. Brain refuses to process questions or information suggesting that Saint Sam may actually be a scam artist who does not give a fig about horses. Develop profiles and hit list of "haters". Become a righteous soldier in the great Pacific Northwest Horse Rescue Wars. Stage 5: Critical Stage. CBER and Sam the great Holy Mother have now consumed life, finances, ethics, and intelligence. Recovery Stage 1: Begin to notice that CBER policies and procedures might be slightly improved. Post suggestions on BB or talk to Sam. Notice a couple of inconsistencies. Begin to feel a whisper of uneasiness but cover it with the mantra, "it is all about for the horses it is all about the horses it is all about the horses . . ." Stage 2: Start to ask questions on CBER BB. Get questions deleted. Get pissed but sublimate with mantra "all about the horses." Continue to donate to save horses. Start to read "hater" comments and process info but still in "CBER can be fixed" stage of delusional thinking. This stage of recovery may continue for a very long time. Stage 3: Find too many inconsistencies to continue to swallow the bullshit but agonize over the horses that may die if you speak out. At this point you may stuff it or you might try to compensate by starting alternative forums. You may still suffer from the delusion that it is possible to publicaly support or remain neutral about CBER. Stage 4: Find out that horses are dying anyway and $cam is involved directly or indirectly. See $cam's pathology and lies for what they are. May be overcome with outrage, betrayal, and grief. With good reason. Stage 5: Stop all CBER involvement. Speak out about $cam's atrocities. Discover that you are labeled "hater" by new crop of CBER cool-aid drinkers. Redirect your money and energy into ethical rescue efforts. ps . . . OMG, I get to post here under my own name again! Wonder when that happened.
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Post by TashGaia on Jun 11, 2009 16:48:59 GMT -5
Hello.
My name is Tasha.
I used to be a CBERite.
I have been CBER-free for 1 year 3 months 10 days 1 hour and 14 minutes.
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Post by wildwoman on Jun 11, 2009 19:03:28 GMT -5
Hi My name is Lisa and I am was co-Dependant to CBER. While I did not send horses to slaughter, I may have unwittingly supported/facilitated others in their practice of having done so. I have learned to 1) take care of me and mine and am responsible for my own-not any one Else's actions, expectations or requirements (ie; feed or medical etc) 2) I can not FORCE anyone into seeing what they are not yet ready to see-this does NOT make my reality/experience less valid. I can only speak my own truth in an honest respectful manner and hold out hope that it will be heard by enough to make a difference. I could go on-but there are others that can expand on this thought from their own ESH Experience Strength and Hope. Peace LL
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Post by quatzie on Jun 11, 2009 23:46:58 GMT -5
I too am CBER Free .. no more no more
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Post by Tate on Jun 15, 2009 21:22:21 GMT -5
This may be old news, not sure, however I've often thought about two horses that I met at Camelot that I really liked, If any of you remember when a group went for Michelles going away party, and there was a mustang appy mare well broke and the sorrel gelding with the million burrs in his mane were there. Does anyone have them or know their whereabouts?
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cat67
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Post by cat67 on Jun 22, 2009 0:37:02 GMT -5
Here's a thought if anybody wants to start a new rescue with a specific goal:
Why doesn't someone start a group dedicated to ensuring the future safety of all of the ex-CBER horses? We all know CBER wouldn't take them back, well, maybe if it was to put on a truck...So it would be good to have a rescue group that would help rehome previous CBER horses, assist previous CBER adopters in various ways (whether it's a month of hay if someone loses their job or advice finding trainers to help keep the horse in that home), and basically provide a safety net for the thousands of horses that are out there now with no rescue group to fall back on. Even if the solution was euthanasia, which we know is going to be appropriate in some cases. Heaven knows CBER never had any qualms about adopting out horses that should have already have been put to sleep.
That might be a good venture for some of the good people who left CBER due to the leadership. Thoughts? I would certainly be open to helping with something like that.
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Post by halfwayhome on Jun 22, 2009 1:09:22 GMT -5
I think its a good idea, some of us have done this on a small scale on our own, but maybe a concerted effort would be even more successful.
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Post by lorsadoon on Jun 22, 2009 8:38:05 GMT -5
Many of us remember certain horses for different reasons. In the beginning I kept a journal of the horses at the feedlot. Mostly because I noticed alot of horses going to the same home and wondered how they could afford to do that. Later I learned that they were getting horses and just reselling them. Sondland comes to mind. She was at the lot when I got Dream and had come all the way from Klamath Falls to get a couple of horses. I think the last horse she got was the beautiful draft named Cupcake. She was listed for sale later and someone found the ad.
It would be nice to help out the horses CBER sold. And we rescued from CBER. The recycling of names would make it confusing. I am sure that was the intent of naming so many horses the same name. Many times we had threads for new names, but it was always ignored. Best to keep us all confused. If we could catagorize the horses with a date and then their name, it would help track them. Example using my horses- Year, month listed, lot name. 06-01-Pilgrim 05-10-Sheba
Some of us have already rerescued past CBER horses. I got Morph because from the minute I saw him at the lot he touched my heart. After two failed adopters through CBER, he was at risk to go to auction in Eugene. My husband and I drove down to get him on about 12 hours notice. (Why couldn't Sam of done that?) He now resides with a great woman who loves him even though he is sight impaired. On second thought, if Sam had done that, where do you think he would of gone? Truck or bullet? I am glad I got him, I saved him FROM cber.
I also made arrangements to get Mindi and Mandi who were at risk of going to the Woodburn auction. Hytyme graciously agreed to take them and they were started under saddle there and have since been adopted.
I would do what I could to ensure past-CBER horses were helped. I can not take anymore horses and am finacially stretched right now. But could do transport down here in my area and contribute a little if necessary to help.
As crazy as it sounds, maybe we should start a new forum just for past cber horses. It would need to include the cber name so if someone searched it looking for help for an adopted horse, they could find it easily. Something like Safety Net for Past CBER Horses-Contacts to help horses adopted through Columbia Basin Equine Rescue.
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Post by tireddog on Jun 22, 2009 12:52:15 GMT -5
Cat, this is a fantastic idea - I love it. And the need is there, as we know. Let's start talking and brainstorming this idea.
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Post by TashGaia on Jun 22, 2009 13:14:20 GMT -5
Oh, I am pretty sure that between me and Marilyn that we have a full record of all the different CBER horses. Rather then a new forum, how about a website? I started one a while back... it wouldn't take too much to finish. That way it would show up on search engine results whereas most forums do not.
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Post by lorsadoon on Jun 22, 2009 13:41:16 GMT -5
Oh, I am pretty sure that between me and Marilyn that we have a full record of all the different CBER horses. Rather then a new forum, how about a website? I started one a while back... it wouldn't take too much to finish. That way it would show up on search engine results whereas most forums do not. I figured you two would have the most accurate records. I am all for a website, whatever it takes to help the horses that were sold thru CBER. Some of them that went to irresponsible homes may be hard to track. But we can assist people who need help with their CBER horses. The horses deserve that much. The fact that there are a group of people who want to ensure the safety of those horeses is awesome.
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cat67
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Post by cat67 on Jun 22, 2009 21:29:05 GMT -5
I love the idea of a web site. It does need to be easy to find for people who need help.
I really think a "safety net" system for these horses is one of the MOST productive things we can do here. And we can each contribute something...if it's not money it may be hauling, or training, or just a willingness to provide links to resources and information to an adopter in need. Not everybody has to be a foster home.
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