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Post by chatty on Apr 22, 2009 18:18:18 GMT -5
When rescuing become a $$ issue and not saving a horse, then and only then they becomes a Horse Trader....
To me any $$ paid out to rescue a horse, is a horse saved....$$ put out to care for a horse, is a horse saved... Now if you pay for a trainer, yes get it back for a future horse can be trained...
Rescue Groups stop horse trading and you can save more horses....
chatty
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 22, 2009 21:11:55 GMT -5
What do you call a rescue group who takes the money you send in to save a horse, then ships the horse behind your back? Or who takes a contributors money and shoots the very horse you wanted to save?
If you cannot trust a rescue with your money or the life of the horse, then what....?
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Post by chatty on Apr 22, 2009 23:32:25 GMT -5
What do you call a rescue group who takes the money you send in to save a horse, then ships the horse behind your back? Or who takes a contributors money and shoots the very horse you wanted to save? If you cannot trust a rescue with your money or the life of the horse, then what....? Someone with future reservation in the state penn.... chatty
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Post by jenm on Apr 23, 2009 0:55:03 GMT -5
What do you call a rescue group who takes the money you send in to save a horse, then ships the horse behind your back? Or who takes a contributors money and shoots the very horse you wanted to save? If you cannot trust a rescue with your money or the life of the horse, then what....? Someone with future reservation in the state penn.... chatty One can only hope and keep their fingers crossed that justice will be served.
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Post by michellep on Apr 23, 2009 10:36:46 GMT -5
Just my .02 here, but, if a group of supporters "bails" a rescue horse then shouldnt one of them step up and take that horse home? Heres my problem with that whole situation. I cant see for example me and a group of friends donating our hard earned money to bail a horse and then have it sit in a temporary facility until some unknowing adopter comes along and again bails that same horse. And charging the new adopter what ever QT fees have accumulated? HMMMM got a problem with that too. If the generous supporters of a rescue come together to bail a horse shouldnt they also be responsible for its care/fees, afterall they rescued it from slaughter somebody from that group that bailed the horse should take it home. At least that way nobody is wondering what really happened to that bailed but homeless horse.
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Post by jenm on Apr 23, 2009 11:42:39 GMT -5
michellep, you are correct in your thought. CBER used to have a "policy" (I use this term lightly) that a horse was not pulled unless it had: 1. A firm home offer and 2. All funds received.
CBER has clearly not followed its own policies more times than I care to remember. However, if indeed they are pulling horses that don't have a home offer, they d**n well better have enough funds to cover the care of the horse or make sure they have a sponsor(s) for the horse until a home is found.
CBERs practice of charging extra bail as well as charging for QT clearly show they are not operating as a rescue but simply as a broker or middle man between Chuck and the public.
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 23, 2009 17:22:39 GMT -5
Just my .02 here, but, if a group of supporters "bails" a rescue horse then shouldnt one of them step up and take that horse home? Heres my problem with that whole situation. I cant see for example me and a group of friends donating our hard earned money to bail a horse and then have it sit in a temporary facility until some unknowing adopter comes along and again bails that same horse. And charging the new adopter what ever QT fees have accumulated? HMMMM got a problem with that too. If the generous supporters of a rescue come together to bail a horse shouldnt they also be responsible for its care/fees, afterall they rescued it from slaughter somebody from that group that bailed the horse should take it home. At least that way nobody is wondering what really happened to that bailed but homeless horse. CBER disposed of three horses I had invested in. Antigua, Lavender and Meadow. If I, or any of the other contributors had known CBER would turn around and ship or shoot these horses maybe one of us could of taken them. Or we could of tried to find someone to take them. Instead, when we asked about these horses we were ignored or outright lied too. How are we supposed to help the horses we wanted to help when the people we entrusted them to lie? We will never know if someone could of taken any one of these three because we were NEVER given the opportunity to do so. Even after repeated requests for information on them. We, the people who bailed these horses, did not fail them. Columbia Basin Equine Rescue and their President Samantha Milbret did. She is/was not in it for the horses. Or they would of never been sent back to slaughter or shot and left to rot.
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Post by emjay on May 16, 2009 12:23:06 GMT -5
so is CBER over? the site is no longer available. Does this mean this organization is done for good.
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Post by gratefulknits on May 16, 2009 12:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by halfwayhome on May 16, 2009 14:33:08 GMT -5
Horses are being listed in this way on a different website:
Sadly, this horse has been sold to a kill buyer and is now on a feedlot and will be shipped to slaughter unless we can find her a home.
QT is advised as strangles, lice and worms are possibly an issue.
Pick up at the lot is next Friday 6pm 5/22/09 - if you do not show up the horse will ship Saturday 5/23 no exceptions.
If you want the horse to come to Camelot Farm until you can pick him up it will cost $15 per day and arrangements must be made ahead of time 509-952-3866.
Cash only. These prices and policies are not negotiable.
Located in Yakima, Washington
So new page, different set up, same person benefits.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on May 18, 2009 14:29:46 GMT -5
Words she/they should not use the following words in any of their advertising: rescue, rescuer, rescued, save, saving, save, success.......any more?
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Post by beckybee on May 18, 2009 15:06:49 GMT -5
where's the new website?
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Post by jenm on May 18, 2009 20:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by luvmypaints on May 18, 2009 20:49:30 GMT -5
This is NOT a CBER site, but a site started by a former CBER volunteer that is open to ALL rescues or anyone who is either looking for a horse or needs to find a home for one. I think she wants this site to be used by all of us who are serious about seeing these horses end up in their forever homes without all the fuss and drama that we have all experienced at one time or another! If you check it out you'll notice that ALL rescues and individuals are invited to list horses and the network of volunteers will help to find homes for them. I think that it's a great idea and look forward to working with them as much as possible. MISSION STATEMENT FOR NAHR: Northwest American Horse Rescues is a Community Board dedicated to assisting abused, neglected and abandoned horses. NAHR is an independent group of dedicated horse fanciers who work together to educate the general public about these unspeakable sufferings and promotes the rescue, recovery and rehabilitation of previously unwanted horses. Our goal is to assist in the placement of these beautiful, deserving creatures in homes that will give them the true love and care they deserve. We find our adoption candidates through direct contact with equine rescues, owners, as well as through a wide variety of referrals. If you know of a horse or horses in need, please contact us. Listing is free. Finding a horse a loving new life is priceless!!!
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Post by TashGaia on May 18, 2009 21:17:30 GMT -5
That might mean more if it was coming from someone who was not a CBER volunteer. What is the ratio of CBER volunteers/staff members who are moderators etc of that board? You may not realize it... but CBER used to use Rescues Only as it's home base for well over a year. The folks on this board are well aware of this modus operandi. Sure the board was open to all rescues and we did (and do) list many different ones... but the fact of the matter was that everyone thought of RO as a CBER board and quite frankly that is where the majority of the effort was. SSDD. Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt... ten in fact.
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Post by dingo on May 18, 2009 21:22:03 GMT -5
MISSION STATEMENT FOR NAHR: Northwest American Horse Rescues is a Community Board dedicated to assisting abused, neglected and abandoned horses. NAHR is an independent group of dedicated horse fanciers who work together to educate the general public about these unspeakable sufferings and promotes the rescue, recovery and rehabilitation of previously unwanted horses. NARH = Lame Ass Attempt to Copy RO
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Post by penny/pals on May 18, 2009 22:17:26 GMT -5
I can tell you that the B&B your speaking of is not CBER. They have listed horses for Oregon rescues and that is where it started listing the burns horses. I didn't even know it existed until Jonna the founder brought it to my attention. As you see there are SAFE horses and many other rescues horses listed there. If you would like to get the word out on a horse that you would like help with please list it. "NARH = Lame Ass Attempt to Copy RO" The NAHR site actually has a list of horses that need rescue as the primary goal.
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Post by dingo on May 18, 2009 22:33:28 GMT -5
CBER. CBER. CBER. Oh, and Avalon Mist. I'm surprised to see SAFE listed in such company when they have worked so diligently to escape their CBER roots, but I noticed SAFE didn't list those horses so chances are they aren't aware of the company they are keeping. Does Jaime know that her rescue is being used to bolster the latest efforts of Sam?
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Post by gratefulknits on May 18, 2009 22:34:20 GMT -5
I hope it will be successful in helping horses find homes; I just hope that CBER/Sam doesn't have the same impact on the new board as she as had on so many previous boards.
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Post by penny/pals on May 18, 2009 22:44:51 GMT -5
"I hope it will be successful in helping horses find homes" I hope so to gratefulnits As I said before anyone can list horses there... The horses on the lot have nothing to do with Sam, you are dealing with the lot owner CHUCK that is who you will be paying... Do you not want these horses that are headed for certain death listed anywhere??? Most of the horses on the board are from OR if you bothered to look. there are also a few from craigslist there as well. If you have any questions about the board you should talk to Jonna she is the one that is running it. I'm not even a moderator or volenteer for the board. In fact only posted 2 times as I really can't support more horses, I can only support them in finding new homes.
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Post by dingo on May 18, 2009 22:57:02 GMT -5
The horses at the lot have nothing to do with Sam? What have you been smoking?
The horses are picked from the lot by Sam. The horses are evealuated by Sam. The horses are assessed by Sam. The horses are written up by Sam. Sam is the real contact for the horses as you would find if you tried to email Melis about them. You are not even told where the horses are unless you go through Sam. You cannot pick up the horses any time unless Sam is there.
If it was not through Sam and just through Chuck you could go anytime. The man has the 509-985-6262 phone number in 10 foot letters on the side of the highway. He is not shy!
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Post by penny/pals on May 18, 2009 23:10:16 GMT -5
SO CALL THE NUMBER!!!!!!!!!!! If you want to offer a home to the horses call the #
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Post by mickeyfan3 on May 19, 2009 12:37:14 GMT -5
I hope it will be successful in helping horses find homes; I just hope that CBER/Sam doesn't have the same impact on the new board as she as had on so many previous boards. The only way to avoid that would be to not use Sam for anything - at all.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on May 19, 2009 12:38:16 GMT -5
"I hope it will be successful in helping horses find homes" I hope so to gratefulnits As I said before anyone can list horses there... The horses on the lot have nothing to do with Sam, you are dealing with the lot owner CHUCK that is who you will be paying... Do you not want these horses that are headed for certain death listed anywhere??? Most of the horses on the board are from OR if you bothered to look. there are also a few from craigslist there as well. If you have any questions about the board you should talk to Jonna she is the one that is running it. I'm not even a moderator or volenteer for the board. In fact only posted 2 times as I really can't support more horses, I can only support them in finding new homes. So if people are dealing directly with Chuck....are they able to save the "additional fees" that Sam/CBER add on? ? Or is this new board also adding on those fees? Because we finally saw Chucks original price lists and they are NOWHERE near the prices Sam listed for the horses.
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Post by penny/pals on May 19, 2009 12:51:34 GMT -5
Look at the listings on that rescue board the prices are low. Talk to Chuck if you choose to.
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Post by swissgrl on May 19, 2009 13:42:12 GMT -5
I agree the prices are definitely way lower than they used to be on the CBER board, and the QT is optional. The horses are still brought to peoples attention, but they can deal with Chuck directly. It would be good if there are other QT possibilities listed, not just Sam's place. There might be people that need to QT because they board, and don't have the option (or knowledge) to do it on their own.
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Post by dancinwithhorses on May 19, 2009 14:28:54 GMT -5
If this site is listing horses for CBER/$am fully aware of the situation in which CBER/$am operates then I seriously questions the integrity of the site.
Chuck has been known to refuse to sell a horse that CBER has listed to a private party. Not always but it is worth a try.
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Post by horseymom on May 22, 2009 18:06:57 GMT -5
It may indeed not be a CBER website, but Sam IS still involved with the horses listed from Chuck's lot. (Have to check with Sam to see if they are halter broke, Sam will haul). So it looks like CBER, just using another site.
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Post by jenm on May 23, 2009 1:54:13 GMT -5
It may indeed not be a CBER website, but Sam IS still involved with the horses listed from Chuck's lot. (Have to check with Sam to see if they are halter broke, Sam will haul). So it looks like CBER, just using another site. I agree with you. I believe the term is: "a wolf in sheep's clothing". Sam and her supporters may have realized that CBER really has become tainted and due to their many transgressions, they finally understand they are considered "persona non grata" in the rescue world. As others have posted, it would make sense if people had more than one option for board for these horses, but as long as the primary contact is Sam and the only place to board is Sam/Camelot, everything is still about Sam making money. I do give them some credit for being reasonable with the prices of the horses. I also take away most of that credit for their lack of honesty in just going public and saying CBER no longer exists but they really do want to give those horses a fighting chance. I really believe in giving those horses a chance at finding a real home, especially since I have two from Chuck's place. Is it really that difficult to just be honest though?
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Post by mbr on May 31, 2009 1:13:53 GMT -5
It is CBER, my posts got deleted because of questions about Starlight, here is the story, first off they didn't even try to answer, Starlight was advertised on the 13th of May, truck pick up time May 20th, 22nd of May someone to look at her, 26th of May Chuck said plant was full not taking any shippments, 27th of May not to late to adopt Starlight, 27th of May able to drop price cause of FUNDRAISING, had 3 home offers, sorry to say there was a mix-up starlight shipped on the 16th of May, hmmm things don't add up so if this is not CBER then why is the real board deleting posts (the person deleting is from CBER) starlight was safe and had home offers untill May 27th but yet she shipped on the 16th, whoever made donations need to get there money back..
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