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Post by TashGaia on Sept 24, 2007 18:34:23 GMT -5
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Post by frr2 on Sept 24, 2007 18:45:59 GMT -5
Wow.... have you asked Deb what she was feeding him? Gotta wonder if he's not Insulin Resistant (not the end of the world by ANY means) or something. Certainly get the vet to run some labs and check his insulin and glucose. That's a lot of weight loss for a month on QT. I'd try to find some grass hay pellets or other hay pellets, but would stay away from Senior feeds. UC Davis' refeeding program for starving horses is all alfalfa... and you can add beet pulp to his feed to add calories too.
You probably know all of this, but geez, that's a big change. Maybe he's still fighting off some kind of sickness.
Keep us posted..... Peg
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Post by MustangAppy on Sept 24, 2007 18:46:10 GMT -5
I have asked for one. It has been a battle from day one to get any information on him and what he needed. The vet was supposed to assess him and let me know what he needed. He only drew a Coggins, did the health ?? certificate, and brand inspection. I had to pay his full QT up front, and was just billed for a trim he never got. I am sorry, I just don't know what to think. I feel sick to my stomach.
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Post by frr2 on Sept 24, 2007 18:57:16 GMT -5
Yea, and the same vet did Cimmeron's brand inspection (you know, the big one on his neck???) Said "no brand"  |
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Post by beejoyfulmk on Sept 24, 2007 19:08:33 GMT -5
can you get a refund for his foot trim?
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Post by sherigraf on Sept 24, 2007 19:20:52 GMT -5
he looks like he's been sick....they can lose a lot of weight fast when they want to. Sorry he came home in such rough condition.
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Post by clayandjill on Sept 24, 2007 19:30:35 GMT -5
MustangAppy....
He does indeed look like a different horse than was at the lot.....I don't get it.
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Post by calypso on Sept 24, 2007 19:36:17 GMT -5
Not only his weight loss, but his feet...  His original writeup on the CBER site said "he appears to have had hoof care." I don't understand how they could get so bad so fast. What happened to him? Was he at the lot for a long time between the time the pics were taken and he was pulled to Debs? |
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Post by carly1964 on Sept 24, 2007 19:37:01 GMT -5
Was he in approved quarantine? He really does look awful compared to his feedlot photo.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Sept 24, 2007 20:09:26 GMT -5
He looks dehydrated to me... how did he travel? how long was he in a trailer?
and how is he today?
to me at least, his feet look ok, long, due for a trim, some chips, but not as bad as both of ours... reallllllllly long feet on both Rocket and Cimmeron.
both of our boys are in good weight...
why is the top of Dazzle so dirty? it looks like he got wet... what is that from?
He looks like he has been sick...
what a shock!!!
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Post by emjay on Sept 24, 2007 20:46:25 GMT -5
oh my. hmmm. not good.
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Post by barbpurple on Sept 24, 2007 20:49:08 GMT -5
wow that doesn't look good at all,, but i do hope that it will not take you too long to get dazzler back into the shape and look that we all came to know..
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Post by lorsadoon on Sept 24, 2007 21:11:54 GMT -5
The trim job on his feet do not look to bad, but it looks like he may have an infection around his hooves. Maybe scratches. Especially if he is peeing on himself. Could cause an infection.
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Post by MustangAppy on Sept 24, 2007 21:12:05 GMT -5
I am in way over my head as far as how to feed a horse in this condition. Please, anybody, I need as much detailed information as you can give me. Right now my trainer is recomending Equine Senior, but I bought Mana Pro Senior because that is all I could find at Cal Ranch. The local Purina dealer carries the one she recommended, but they were closed. We are free feeding alfalfa grass mix. The third cut of hay we get is high alfalfa content, and we will be getting that in shortly. Until the equine vet sees him (she is out of town this week), I won't get any answers on underlying health issues. This is a horse community I live in, I just hope someone doesn't report me for neglect.
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Post by TashGaia on Sept 24, 2007 21:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by lorsadoon on Sept 24, 2007 21:35:03 GMT -5
I know you will probably want to throw all the feed at this guy that you can think of, but PLEASE, go slow. If you start giving him alot of feed he is not used to, you will set him up for a colic or something. Make sure he has all the hay he can eat. He will not starve to death before the vet comes to see him. I have seen much worse than this. He should be fine if he is just skinny from lack of food or sickness. The vet will tell you what to do. I would be more concerned about the pee spray and the scratchs on his feet. A good bath with an anti-microbial soap would be in order for him.
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Post by rescuestoribbons on Sept 24, 2007 21:38:41 GMT -5
Ok... so when I got Tolo he looked a lot like him only worse... What I did was start feeding senior slowly in small amounts slowly increasing till you get to like 1 scoop.... then also add in some beet pulp once a day, like 1/2 of a normal sized horse guard bucket... At first Tolo was given free for all hay... not to good of quality because of colic but nice stuff... then we started to wean him onto a pasture...looks great now!! Took us 3 months though...
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Post by crum on Sept 24, 2007 21:46:38 GMT -5
Did you receive feeding instructions with him from his quarantine home?
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Post by quatzie on Sept 24, 2007 21:50:57 GMT -5
......Just go slow and several hay feedings a day. I wouldn't change to much on him right now give him time to adjust (keep him from stress). I would keep it simple at first. He will bounce back just give him time. That's the best advice I can give. It take almost two to three week for the horse's gut to adjust to new feed... Your vet will be your best advice .. just hang in there...
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Post by webmistress32 on Sept 24, 2007 21:56:25 GMT -5
when Dodger Jr (cracker jax) came home he was so skinny too. his feed lot photos he was a chubby little pony and that was what I expected. when he got here he was so thin and dirty, yuck - looked a lot like yours.
I figured - long strangles battle, feedlot, didn't get along with the other horses, old, etc. etc.
I started him on soaked beet pulp with flax seed and rice bran and made sure he got a huge helping twice a day. no sugar. grass hay. I also throw free form minerals on top of the mash at dinner.
he's still thinner than I'd like and thinner than his old feedlot photos but he's got tons of energy, has bright eyes and is healthy as a horse! for a pony ... :-)
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Post by crum on Sept 24, 2007 22:02:29 GMT -5
If he did not come with feeding instructions I agree that you are best off going with just hay until you have a vet see him. It would be easiest on him and the bacteria in his gut if it is the same type of hay that he was receiving before he arrived at your place. So if for instance he was getting orchard grass hay before It will be easier on the ecosystem in his intestines to still get primarily orchard grass.
I agree that you want to get the scratches treated sooner rather than later as well. I've seen people let these go and they end up with some horrific infections. Don't be surprised if he doesn't want you to touch that area they are extremely painful for most horses. Once you have treated them you want to make sure you keep the area as dry as possible until it is completely cleared up.
modified to add if you don't know what type of hay he was getting before alfalfa is usually a good choice.
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Post by crum on Sept 24, 2007 22:06:12 GMT -5
I don't know what the weather is like where you are right now, but if it is getting colder at night like it is here I would also recommend blanketing him at night to try to help him conserve energy. You don't want him using all his energy right now trying to keep warm at night.
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Post by afinenettle on Sept 24, 2007 22:07:32 GMT -5
Ummm....are you sure its the same horse?
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Post by gratefulknits on Sept 24, 2007 22:31:44 GMT -5
Yes, it is the same horse. I wondered, too! But I scrutinized his appy pattern on the feedlot pix, and it is the same boy. He must have been sick, poor sweetie.
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Post by TashGaia on Sept 24, 2007 22:35:16 GMT -5
This guy's long coat makes me suspicious of Cushings disease (not the end of the world!). Hmmmm... my pasture horses are all getting long coats now. Tarkh's coat is much longer then Dazzler's looks to be and I know for a fact that Tarkh is healthy. Maybe this boy is just getting his winter coat in? |
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Post by calypso on Sept 24, 2007 22:38:19 GMT -5
MustangAppy
You want to connect with "cutiepiepmu" aka "Sara in WA"
She can take you step by step - including how much of what - to bring your boy back to health and weight.
pnp4kidz would be a great help too - esp if he's IR...
I'm trying to find Sara's phone number. I'll pm you with both of them (sara's and beth's) when I find them.
Caly
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Post by spicy-racer on Sept 24, 2007 23:39:08 GMT -5
I have THE cure all for scratches!!!!!! I cannot for the life of me remember the name ! EEEEK BUT----- I will get it from the barn tomorrow! It will kick those scratches in the butt in no time flat!! BGeet pulp soaked and rice bran,,,,, super calorie weight gainers.
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Post by ptowne on Sept 25, 2007 6:41:20 GMT -5
It seems odd that you weren't told how much he was deteriorating in QT. It does look like he has been pretty sick.
Pam
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Post by rodeo51 on Sept 25, 2007 9:11:56 GMT -5
When you read his thread, it talked about him being sick on Sept 3rd and being placed on meds.
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Post by ptowne on Sept 25, 2007 9:44:44 GMT -5
Yeah, but being sick and placed on meds and these pictures are not the same thing. My TB mare was recently on meds for an infection. She sure doesn't look like that.
On the feeding, it seems that people are giving advice on the assumption that this horse was starved. I doubt that was the case in CBER approved QT. Or I certainly hope not. That said, he must have been very sick and may still be. The description of his lack of interest in his food would suggest he is still sick. I would try to get a vet out sooner rather than later. Have you taken his temp, respirations, heart beat? If he is fighting an infection or illness of some sort, I would think he would need as nutritious food as possible, not just hay. I wouldn't give him bushels of grain, but I would give him some high nutrition, low glycemic grain such as Triple Crown Senior and the best hay I could get. Maybe some electrolytes as it is likely he did get dehydrated on the long trip.
Pam
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