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Post by Admin on Jul 1, 2008 4:20:55 GMT -5
I have a mare that will nurse her if you want to put her over in our pasture. She is by herself with her colt. She's a great mom!
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jul 1, 2008 5:32:56 GMT -5
Where once i have said she was a toy?
Tockita drop your sh*t...everyone wants the drama to stop yet at every turn your starting sh*t again..... is that your job in life?
what part of she was going to leave this foal because she wasnt halter broke wasnt handlable......animals get left at stockyards often.
Backoff if you dont like anything to do with me then stay away from my threads plain and simple and have mercy on your kb or monitor
nothing i say or do will ever shut you up you will ALWAYS find something wrong with me and my animals so do the board a favor and find a new hobby maybe something that pays versus criticizing someone who is follow vet orders and help of others privately
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Post by Tockita on Jul 1, 2008 5:53:14 GMT -5
everyone wants the drama to stop she was going to leave this foal because she wasn't halter broke wasnt handlable..... nothing i say or do will ever shut you up maybe something that pays? someone who is follow vet orders Yes, meaning people want you to do whats right for that baby. Keep telling that lie... Not so, I told you what you need to do. huh? Am I the one begging for $ to feed babies I snatched from their mothers? My vets actually exist, you know IRL not my imagination. OK sure it's great that you are spending time with her, but it seems to me that she often is presented as some cute accessory rather then a baby whose well being is put first. |
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Post by Admin on Jul 1, 2008 10:26:46 GMT -5
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Post by mbr on Jul 1, 2008 11:22:49 GMT -5
What about PEC's offer to let her nurse from her mare? that would be great for your filly, and easier on your pocket book, just wondering why you wont take PEC up on her offer.
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Post by beckybee on Jul 1, 2008 11:29:47 GMT -5
People often expect foals to act like puppies and kittens. Horses are precocial animals that pretty much have the mind of an adult horse by the time their feet hit the ground. Comments like "lil snot" illustrate that she sees this little horse as misbehaving or acting with defiance when she's actually just acting like a horse.
I know I have a problem with babying my adult horses too. We don't want to hurt their feelings, we want them to cuddle, etc. Fortunately with an adult horse, you quickly realize the ramifications of your treatment when you have a creature 1000lbs bigger than you throwing their shoulder into you and blowing past you. It must be especially difficult to draw the lines with a foal and even more so with an orphan that has no other creature of it's species.
I think my Manny was backyard raised, and I have to tell you, I would rather have a horse with a healthy respect of humans than one that wants to be in your pocket. It's a constant challenge to keep defending my space because the lack of boundaries is so hardwired in him. Sure, I can sit on him when he's lying down, put hats on him and he follows me like a puppy (so kyoot!), but this really doesn't help when he's excited and runs right over the top of me.
And getting the foal a horse companion will teach her how to behave around horses (Manny is the lowest in the pecking order and will spin on a dime at a mere ear twitch), but that doesn't change her relationship with humans.
Please treat her like a horse for the sake of her future.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Jul 1, 2008 11:42:29 GMT -5
My orphan transplanted onto a mare at 3 mo of age when I stopped bucket feeding... she then nursed him until they (her own foal and him) were 6 mo of age. It did him a world of good...
I think you need to seriously consider taking her to at least live with PECs mare, she will mother her and teach her HORSE skills.
I have to recount a story of one of our rescues, Sonny. He was weaned early and kept under lights in a stall, raised with all day human attention... many many lessons on human interaction, he was a halter horse. He went to shows, travelled, and spent his early years learning to be beautiful and interact with humans....
well, then that was over...
and he went to training to ride... and was bought by a nice person who kept him in the pasture...
he spent the next 15 years tortured by horses... he was totally inept at horse social interaction. He is actually TERRIFIED of horses in pasture.... they are absolutely fine when he is on a lead or under saddle... but loose??? OMG. He freaks out.
he is also afraid of the dark... boogie men I guess...
Jump forward those 15 years later, and here he is 18 years old... and after a string of owners who meant well, he is owned by one who is a beginner, walks him up and dusk to the trails for a 'cool' evening ride, bareback... Sonny skitters, he is afraid of boogie men! off goes owner... Sonny runs home to the safety of his barn... goes across the main road to get there, gets hit by a car... face smashed completely...
His Angel saved him... but only to go with another owner, and be kept no longer in a boarding pasture where he apparently got at least the leftovers that kept him alive lo those many years, but now he's alone with her Arab... and in a few months he is down to 650 lb. A literal rack of bones... skin pulled tight over every bone....
Owner puts an ad up for him... we find him...
This poor horse has NOTHING physically wrong with him... he was just raised like your baby is being raised... by HUMANS. He never learned herd dynamics... he never learned to talk "horse", and he has paid for it his whole life. We can't place him... he is now 22 and is finally settling in with us. He can tolerate two mares we have, who allow him to eat.... but if they say move... he runs for his life... literally. He has run into metal barn doors and peeled skin off his shoulder... has run over people just trying to get away from the 'scary' horses...
he FREAKS if you put him on 'turnout'... I mean foaming sweat in a matter of a minute.
He can't enjoy relaxing in a pasture and grazing....
it is Terribly Sad.
I strongly advise you allow her to learn 'horse'.
she has the 'human' down now, she trusts you. we see that.
but she NEEDS to learn horse. and she can't do that later.... just like people, there is a window of opportunity. It is only NOW.
Let her have her opportunity.
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Post by mbr on Jul 1, 2008 11:54:32 GMT -5
If the story of Sonny dosen't convince you then I don't know what will. DO THE RIGHT THING!!!
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Post by countrygirl on Jul 1, 2008 12:42:12 GMT -5
Beth, What a sad story!! It is very fortunate that you ended up with Sonny again. Many horses would have not been so lucky.
As horse owners it is our responsibility to give our horses everythng they need to grow and mature to become healthy horses - both physically AND mentally. LIttle Destiny needs to learn how to become a horse. Without a role model, it won't happen.
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Post by Tockita on Jul 1, 2008 12:45:30 GMT -5
My neighbors have a Percheron they bought (well the lady threw him in when they bought a different horse for $300) He was a yearling, an orphan that they had raised. She could not tell the difference between playful colt who thought he was a human and young stud so she paid TONS and made him suffer major surgery to have him gelded before his testicles had even descended.
When they got him he had been kept separate from their other horses because they did not wanting him to get hurt...
He had no idea how to be a horse, he had spent so much time alone he was pretty much shut down when they put him in with their horses. He stood of by himself and had no interest in anything he was very depressed.
Luckily they allowed him to eat.. It took almost a year for him to learn how to play and be interested and meanwhile he has hurt his owners twice trying to avoid the other horses. He had no fear of them at all and was pretty dangerous to be around at first.
He kicked them and bit them and ran over them.
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jul 1, 2008 14:50:44 GMT -5
Im sorry about Sonny but Destiny wont even be 4mos old when Tawny gets here......shes only been with me for 4 weeks 3 of that has been with me only.
Per vets orders she is being weaned and Sara is helping me with the proper feed to help her.
Im not knocking Deans help she is one of the FEW i really respect and Trust.
I know you guys think im a complete idiot but im not and because im new to you guys you have to idea what im capable of nor my history.
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Post by mbr on Jul 1, 2008 15:18:38 GMT -5
OH I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOUR CAPABLE OF (LUCKY!!!) YOU ARE ONLY THINKING OF YOURSELF OR YOU WOULD TAKE PEC UP ON HER OFFER, IT DISCUSTS ME TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THESE OPTIONS BUT YET YOU ARE SOOOOO SELFISH THAT YOU WONT DO WHAT'S BEST FOR DESTINY, YOU WANT HER TO BE TOTALY DEPENDANT ON YOU, SHE IS NOT A PUPPY THAT YOU CAN LET IN THE HOUSE AND LAY WITH SHE IS A HORSE AND NEEDS TO BE TREATED LIKE A HORSE, LET HER BE WITH PECS MARE AND LEARN HOW TO BE A HORSE FOR GOD SAKES, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SOMEONE BEING SO STUBBORN AND SELFISH, ANYONE THAT LOVES ANIMALS WHATS THE BEST FOR THEM AND WOULD DO ANYTHING TO GET THEM HELP, YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, SORRY DESTINY!!!!
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Post by pnp4kidz on Jul 1, 2008 15:24:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry you feel that way Jen, it is NOT about you...
it is about what Destiny needs to learn.
she will not learn so much from another young horse... she needs a mother figure, a HORSE mother figure...
a mare. no matter if that mare is nursing her or not, she needs a mare to teach her herd dynamics, and horse language.
she learns that from other adult horses, not humans, and not even so well from a young horse.
think about how well kids do being raised by other kids...
well, they might LIVE... but do they learn the 'rules' of life with society?
No one is asking you to give her away!
I just think the right thing is to get her with a mare who will do what is called 'transplanting', or accepting her as her own foal...
not necessarily to NURSE... but to MOTHER.
and you need to back off and only do horse owner things... not the mother things...
it looks like you have a good start on that...
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Post by Tate on Jul 1, 2008 15:36:58 GMT -5
I normally never chime in on this discussion, however, as cute and fuzzy and sweet as it may be, You must consider the monster you will be creating and may never be able to turn around. It will not be cute when this is a 1200lb mare who considers people as a peer and not a leader. In addition this little foal needs to understand horse dynamics more than humans.
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Post by lorsadoon on Jul 1, 2008 17:58:05 GMT -5
I found this good article on line about raising an orphan. Including an intersting reason that foals need to eat the manure of their mothers.
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Raising orphan foal worthwhile challenge
Jun 1, 2002
By: Kenneth L. Marcella, DVM
DVM Newsmagazine
Now is the time of year when the equine practitioner gets to see the results of all of last spring's labors.
There may be no more pleasing sight than a spring field full of broodmares with playful foals by their sides. These attentive mares watch over their young and begin the slow process of teaching them the ways of the herd. There may also be no sadder sight than that of an orphaned foal without a mare to care for it.
Many reasons
Foals can become orphaned in many ways and even the best-run farms will occasionally experience situations leading to orphans. The most common cause is the death of the mare. Ruptured uterine arteries in older mares and uterine tears at the time of delivery with subsequent peritonitis can lead to the death of a broodmare shortly after foaling.
Some mares may not die but can become so ill that they cannot care for their foals and must be separated. Mares that colic or develop severe infections following foaling fall into this category. While every attempt should be made to keep mare and foal together, it is occasionally not possible.
The mare may have to undergo surgery and recovery treatment that requires too long a separation from the foal or the mare is taken to a facility for therapy and the foal must be left at home.
Rejection
Some foals are rejected by their dams. This behavior is more common in certain breeds (Arabians) and in certain bloodlines. Many steps can be taken to reduce the chances of rejection or to encourage the mare to accept her foal but, occasionally, all efforts fail and the foal is orphaned. Occasionally medical conditions can cause the mare to fail to produce milk. These mares may become irritated by the nursing attempts of their foals and they may then reject them.
Down the road
Whatever the cause, an orphaned foal is a problem and how that foal is managed for the first several months of its life will play a large role in its later development and in its eventual adjustment to life as an equine adult.
Many one or two horse clients tend to readily take on the challenge of raising an orphan foal. These owners often have an emotional attachment to the ill or dead mare and they are very motivated to care for its foal. Unfortunately, if these clients are not properly educated and guided as to the correct steps to take when raising that foal, many poorly adjusted and often dangerous horses result from what were only the best of intentions.
Foal age
The age at which the foal is orphaned will be the first factor in determining its management.
Newborn horses and foals up to 3 months of age must have foster care. This can be done either by hand rearing or through the use of a nurse mare. Nurse mares are mares that have lost foals or that are willing to readily accept other foals. The difficult aspect of using a nurse mare is finding one that is available exactly when you need one for your foal.
There are commercial nurse mare farms operating in certain areas of the country and every effort should be made to find a suitable surrogate dam if at all possible from a logistical and economic standpoint.
The nurse mare provides the optimal situation for the foal in that it remains on its normal diet of mare's milk and becomes socialized in the normal way. Sometimes such mares are not available, however, or the $900 to $1,500 price for a six-month lease may be cost prohibitive. In such cases the only alternative is to hand rear the foal.
Hand-rearing
Hand-rearing can be a rewarding undertaking and it certainly is a time-consuming one. Newborn foals should be given colostrum, preferably from their own dams.
It can be difficult to remember to milk out the mare in difficult births or post-foaling emergency situations, but this colostrum is crucial to the foal. Clients with more than one broodmare should be encouraged to set up a colostrum bank. This can be done simply by milking out a little colostrum from the mare during the first 12-18 hours of the foal's life. The mare should be milked after the foal has fed well and gone to sleep. Small amounts of such milk can then be pooled and frozen in plastic bottles or plastic freezer bags.
If a mare were to die during birth or if a broodmare were to fail to produce milk, then this frozen colostrum could be thawed and given to the foal.
Properly frozen colostrum may be usable for more than two years. If there is no natural or frozen colostrum for the foal then a commercially available oral or intravenous product should be used.
An IgG test should always be done to ensure that the foal has received the necessary level of immune protection.
First, biggest concern
Feeding the orphaned foal is usually the first and the biggest concern.
Normal foals commonly nurse up to eight times per hour during the first month of life. They may consume only 50 ml per nursing, but they are constantly at it.
Orphaned foals can be successfully raised by feeding every two hours for the first few days. Smaller amounts of milk, taken in more frequently reduce the chances of neonatal colic and diarrhea. Hand-reared foals tend to have a higher percentage of problems with these conditions.
Clients have a tendency to overfeed orphan foals since these youngsters are eating less frequently, and the thinking often is that if the foal eats a bit more at one feeding then the weary owner can sleep an hour more and stretch the time until the next feeding. Such practices are detrimental to the foal and small frequent feedings are optimal.
Bottles, pans
Foals can be taught to drink from a bottle or a pan.
If the foal is orphaned late at night, there may not be any way to obtain milk replacer until the next morning. Foals that do not begin nursing soon after birth become weakened and can experience significant problems.
Goat's milk and cow's milk can be used in an emergency. Goat's milk tends to be more palatable to horses and it does not cause as many intestinal upsets in neonates, but can be difficult to find.
Commercial equine milk replacer products are the best. The newer milk replacers can be mixed up and used over a 24-hour period, which makes them easier to use.
Many milk replacers come in pellets as well, and orphans should be encouraged to nibble on them when interested.
Some foals will show a willingness to consume hay and grain at 4 weeks of age. This early solid food consumption can make dealing with an orphan much easier.
Social rearing more difficult
While there are many products available to help with the feeding of orphan foals and plenty of nutritional information that can be of use, there is really little information available to help with the social rearing of these foals.
The unfortunate tendency for owners is to respond to these sympathetic foals with a lot of attention.
Foals are fun to play with and easy to spoil. Orphan foals raised by humans with lots of contact and attention tend to become oriented to humans, however. These foals begin to prefer the company of humans and are anxious, afraid and unwilling to interact with other weanlings when they are later introduced to horses.
Jerry Modlin, head trainer at Jabar Arabians in Georgia, cautions that too much love and attention can backfire.
"Don't make a pet out of orphan foals and let them learn to be a horse," says this trainer who has raised a number of orphans.
Modlin points out that very young foals are extremely adaptable.
"As far as the foal knows," he says, "this (being born and not having a mother) is the way it works."
While a nurse mare is optimal, if one is not available Modlin starts the foal out drinking from a bucket as quickly as possible.
"We go into the stall, hang the milk bucket and walk out," he explains.
While the foals are halter broke and handled every day it is the normal handling and attention that all foals receive.
"We groom them and rub them, handle feet and such but we do not do anything special to the orphans," says Modlin, "and we don't get into their world."
With their own
These foals are then weaned with age-matched normal foals and turned out together.
It is in these groups that the orphan foals learn most of their social behavior. Because orphans are usually eating solid food at an early age, it may be possible to wean these foals somewhat earlier than normal. In situations where a group of weanlings is not available, a quiet, accepting gelding may be used as a "teacher" for the orphan foal.
The foal must be past the nursing stage before being introduced to the gelding, however, because nursing attempts are not well tolerated by these older horses and poor socialization will result in such situations.
It is generally felt that social contact between young horses and other herd members is most necessary around 3 to 4 months of age. Most orphan foals can be easily introduced to a quiet gelding or other weanlings during this timeframe.
Orphans raised in such a way are generally indistinguishable from non-orphaned horses as adults. Modlin goes on to say that properly raised orphans can, and do, become good breeding stallions and good broodmares that show normal social behavior and maternal instincts as adults.
Coprophagy
There is one other factor that practitioners may want to consider when advising clients on the rearing of an orphan.
It was long thought the practice of coprophagy (eating feces) by foals was designed to introduce the correct bacterial flora into the gut as the foal prepared to consume less milk and began eating more solid food.
While this may be a small factor, recent research has pointed out some other reasons for this behavior in foals.
Coprophagy is commonly observed in foals from weeks 1 to 24. This behavior is rare in adults. Most foals will exclusively consume the feces of their mother. Drs. Hornicke and Bjornhag, writing in a paper in 1979, suggested that this indicated a pheromone preference. Research in rats confirmed this pheromone attraction between young rats and the feces of their lactating mothers.
But the really interesting point is that this same research and other similar projects showed that this maternal feces contained high levels of deoyxcholic acid. Young rats are deficient in this acid which helps with intestinal immunocompetence. Deoxycholic acid is believed to protect against infantile enteritis.
This research also showed a second possible function for deoxycholic acid. Long chain fatty acids must be emulsified by bile acids before they can be absorbed. These absorbed acids are needed for the production of myelin throughout the nervous system.
Young rats denied access to maternal feces failed to produce normal levels of myelin in their nervous systems and demonstrated deficits in a variety of neurobehavioral development tests. These findings suggest that the consumption of its mother's feces may be necessary for the neurological development of some young animals.
It has long been thought that orphan foals were often difficult to train because of their lack of normal socialization and their lack of a mare during early development. The studies concerning deoxycholic acid and the lack of it in orphans may explain this training difficulty in a more scientific manner as a lack of proper myelination and neurologic dysfunction.
At the very least, these studies suggest that orphan foals be allowed access to the manure from a lactating mare during the first few weeks of life.
Worthwhile challenge
Taking on the rearing of an orphan foal is certainly a challenge but it need not be as difficult as it is often made out to be.
Having milk replacer available before it is needed is a plus and remembering to let the foal be a horse rather than a pet are probably the two most important points.
Access to mare's feces, proper nutrition and socialization round out the important areas of concern with orphans. Attention to these points should result in a healthy, normally socialized and correctly developed foal and should keep one tragedy (the death or illness of a mare) from causing another.
About the Author
Kenneth L. Marcella, DVM
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Post by mtangel on Jul 1, 2008 18:59:20 GMT -5
Very interesting read. Thank you for sharing that!
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Post by Tockita on Jul 1, 2008 19:55:24 GMT -5
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Raising orphan foal worthwhile challenge
Jun 1, 2002
By: Kenneth L. Marcella, DVM
DVM Newsmagazine
There may also be no sadder sight than that of an orphaned foal without a mare to care for it.
every attempt should be made to keep mare and foal together an orphaned foal is a problem and how that foal is managed for the first several months of its life will play a large role in its later development and in its eventual adjustment to life as an equine adult.
Unfortunately, if these clients are not properly educated and guided as to the correct steps to take when raising that foal, many poorly adjusted and often dangerous horses result from what were only the best of intentions.
every effort should be made to find a suitable surrogate dam if at all possible from a logistical and economic standpoint.[/b] The nurse mare provides the optimal situation for the foal in that it remains on its normal diet of mare's milk and becomes socialized in the normal way.
Feeding the orphaned foal is usually the first and the biggest concern.
Normal foals commonly nurse up to eight times per hour during the first month of life. They may consume only 50 ml per nursing, but they are constantly at it.
Smaller amounts of milk, taken in more frequently reduce the chances of neonatal colic and diarrhea.
Hand-reared foals tend to have a higher percentage of problems with these conditions.
Clients have a tendency to overfeed orphan foals since these youngsters are eating less frequently, and the thinking often is that if the foal eats a bit more at one feeding then the weary owner can sleep an hour more and stretch the time until the next feeding. Such practices are detrimental to the foal and small frequent feedings are optimal.
there is really little information available to help with the social rearing of these foals.
The unfortunate tendency for owners is to respond to these sympathetic foals with a lot of attention.
Foals are fun to play with and easy to spoil. Orphan foals raised by humans with lots of contact and attention tend to become oriented to humans, however. These foals begin to prefer the company of humans and are anxious, afraid and unwilling to interact with other weanlings when they are later introduced to horses.
Don't make a pet out of orphan foals and let them learn to be a horse
we don't get into their world.Young rats denied access to maternal feces failed to produce normal levels of myelin in their nervous systems and demonstrated deficits in a variety of neurobehavioral development tests. These findings suggest that the consumption of its mother's feces may be necessary for the neurological development of some young animals.
It has long been thought that orphan foals were often difficult to train because of their lack of normal socialization and their lack of a mare during early development. The studies concerning deoxycholic acid and the lack of it in orphans may explain this training difficulty in a more scientific manner as a lack of proper myelination and neurologic dysfunction.
[/quote] Hmm Just what everyone has been saying all along. |
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Post by earlybp on Jul 1, 2008 21:36:57 GMT -5
Oh, I am so glad that humans don't have to eat poo.
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Post by cutiepiepmu on Jul 2, 2008 3:38:47 GMT -5
I second that lol!
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Post by Admin on Jul 2, 2008 11:46:06 GMT -5
mmmmm yummy GACK!
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Post by icehorse on Jul 2, 2008 12:33:01 GMT -5
Hey I offered to buy her and let her grow up with my friesian filly weeks ago, but she didn't accept the offer. I keep checking this thread because since the Lucky update, I have been really worried about this baby and I care about her well being. However, she is not listening to the advice she is asking for, so I hope she is ready to keep that foal for life as no one else is going to want to fix the damage done. I'm through reading this thread
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Post by Tockita on Jul 2, 2008 18:02:17 GMT -5
Sorry Icy ;(
If she really cared she would have left it with the mom in the first place, but even so to turn down offers for her to be with a foster mare is completely irresponsible and selfish of her.
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jul 2, 2008 19:45:55 GMT -5
First off Dr. Emig isnt imaginary...ask Dean
Second....the lady i bought her from DID NOT WANT HER she had already talked to someone at the auction about leaving her.
Im working with Sara and weve got destiny on an awesome creep feed for her
Tawny may be 4 but she was raised in a herd of 15+ HORSES so im sorry to say she does KNOW how to be a horse
No i have no plans of EVER selling Destiny and in the event we have to move she will be boarded at my husbands bestfriends who owns a QH ranch.
Why try and put her on a nursing mare who has a foal when my vet would rather see her weaned and on a proper managed diet.
I spend maybe a total of 2hours a day in 15-20 minute increments working on her leading picking feet up and grooming.
When the vet was here for her shots he looked her knees over and watched her movements and said shes improved to almost no problem at all.
Im going to listen to people i trust versus people who condemn me over even breathing especially you Tockita
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Post by Tockita on Jul 2, 2008 20:44:17 GMT -5
First off Dr. Emig isnt imaginary...ask Dean people who condemn me over even breathing especially you Tockita Ok so Dean you want to ask Dr Emig how many times he has seen this filly? You won't be the first freak to not like me.. Funny thing is, In the end I am almost always right about which people are flakes and need to be watched.. and you scored real high on my radar... So my best to Destiny for as long as she manages to live despite you. |
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Post by anitahorse on Jul 2, 2008 21:09:26 GMT -5
Your filly's legs are not "fine" nor are they "excellent". They are over at the knee and on their way to crippling her FOR LIFE if you don't do something about it now.
If your vet exists - I don't think he would condone you laying all over Destiny's tiny body when her intestines are trying to burst through her abdomen - what with the hernia and all.
The amount of crap laying around your yard couldn't BE more perfect for maiming a young, curious foal than if you set it up that way on purpose. (And cleaning it up is FREE!). And letting her NEAR a glass sliding door, don't get me started.
You refuse to listen or follow anyone's well thought out responses to your questions - you just hysterically defend your own poor decisions.
But hey - you've more than made it clear by your many posts - it's all about YOU, and your needs/wants/desires - not about what's best for the filly.
At least she is named appropriately - "Dark Destiny" indeed.
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Post by shelberttk2 on Jul 2, 2008 22:39:57 GMT -5
Have you ever thought of getting a second opinion? If it were my baby, and I had this many knowledgeable horse people telling me that things didn't seem right with her, I would definitely be getting a second opinion. I would gladly have my boss look at her pictures, if you would like for him to at least do that, please pm me and I will give you my work email! He is very well known in the NW, and specializes in lameness etc.
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Post by endurorider81 on Jul 2, 2008 22:48:25 GMT -5
ok, I have been "lurking" here for a little while, and never fails, another negitive attitude from most. Now I don't know the whole situation, but seems to me that Shadow is doing what she feels is fine for the filly, and seems to do what her vet is saying to do. SO LEAVE IT ALONE!!! Darn, God forbid someone makes a mistake, says the wrong thing, or does something that the majority doesn't feel is right. We are all human, and no one should judge us for that. Shame on you all. I was warned about this group, and now I see why. How can you all feel fine about yourselves. All I have read is "sell her before you kill her", "You are wrong", " do things THIS way" I don't know about any one else, but I have to say that I don't have the nuts to take on such a young one, but I have to give her credit, AT LEAST SHE IS TRYING!!!! All you all are accomplishing, is showing how rude, negitive, and down right depressing you all are. For once, can you stop the old lady bickering and just get back on subject? We are here to save horses that are starving, neglected, that have crappy owners. From what I have read, I don't feel that this falls in that classification. Any moderators want to step in and take control of this bashing?
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Post by endurorider81 on Jul 2, 2008 23:45:47 GMT -5
I was just stating that I don't know Shadow personally and the filly personally, as it seems that no one else does either. Don't you all get tired of the gossip and negitivity?
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Post by Tockita on Jul 2, 2008 23:52:42 GMT -5
Not myself but other people have seen this filly... and the colt she almost killed a few weeks ago..
and I'll admit I can be harsh, but very rarely is it not deserved, and I am always wiling to admit I'm wrong... but I can promise you it won't be this case.
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Post by kw on Jul 3, 2008 7:58:47 GMT -5
We are here to save horses that are starving, neglected, that have crappy owners. Yes, that is what these people are trying to do. She almost killed another foal due to ignorance and selfishness. She asked for advice when in reality, it appears she just wants attention for herself and for people to ooh and ahh over her "baby." Most aren't falling for it. IMO, this chick has some serious problems and the ones suffering are the animals.[a href="http://[del:admin]"]http://[del:admin][/a] |
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