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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jun 29, 2008 1:50:40 GMT -5
Well Lil miss Destiny is doing better I finally got ahold of the lady who i bought her from...she had NO idea about the DNA nor that it even needed to be done to register the future foals she plans on producing out of Destinys parents. I informed her that the auction house had screwed up when they announced Destinys sire and that she had was actually out of Rippin whom she paid $2000 for at the Auction. Well turns out i was wrong she didnt care who destinys sire was. She said she still wouldnt have taken her home becuase ....get this.....SHE WASNT HALTER BROKE and a totally wild lil fireball.....how fucked up is that!!!! I seriously hope any of destinys siblings prove to be just as stubborn and head strong as she is. We have our lil lesson play sessions every morning and evening. she actually comes to me and waits for them just standing on the porch staring in until i come out. Today we worked on picking her feet up and when i got to her back feet i barely touched her leg and she lifted it and held it up for me i was SO proud of her. This evenings session we worked on leading and after the innitial couple steps with my hand on her but i took it away and she stayed right along side me and we walked all over....did figure eights, worked on backing up. Id stop pick up all 4 feet then tell her to walk and she come right along with me. Shes SOOOO smart and im one proud lil mama. She probably wont be very happy with me tommorow because shes getting all her shots and the nose vaccine ( influenza i think but dont quote me on that lol ) Sara has also helped me make a creep feed for her and will be over to teach me how to mix it and look over her knees.....im hoping she can come over while the vet is here and talk to him that way they can work together to get Destiny on the track she needs to be for maximum improvement. Her knees are actually slowly but surely straigtening out being on strictly Foal-Lac and Pasture along with me working with her front legs picking them up like im checking her hooves then straightening them out 5 times each session. You wouldnt beleive meeting her now that she was so wild you even layed a finger on her shed start bucking like a mad man. Her new pasture mate will be here July 27th. So she will finally get to be taught by a real horse what she is....which im looking forward to since shes a very gentle mare and just adores the lil ones but then shes still kinda a baby herself at only 4yrs old. She may actually have to role models depending on if im training any other of my friends horses at the same time as Tawny( shes the one i posted asking for info on belgians for). Tawny was sort of a rescue...she was born on a PMU farm luckily right when they started shutting all the farms down. My friend also has her mom who was 28 when Tawny was born and sadly was bred right back and had a foal at almost 30. My friend has taken such good care of her mom you cant tell that shes 32 unless you call the herd in lol she has one pace and thats snail so she gets in from the pasture about 30-45mins after everyone else does. Im adding a new pic of Destiny and one of Tawny....i fell in love with her which is why i get to train her...shed follow me all over the place....if i stepped away from her shed side step over. Except her steps are longer then mine and accidently stepped onto my foot but was so gentle she didnt put weight down and lifted her foot up so i could move mine then looked before she put hers back down. She may very well be one of my favorites to train. Im hoping my friend decides to just leave her here lol I just LOVE her blaze it has a Skull image at the top and kinda a Alien skeleton look to the whole thing. Both Tawny and Destiny are being trained with GaWaNi Pony boy technique , hes my idol trainer. Tawny the Belgian     Destiny...still over but a lil better and yes if surgery is needed it will be done im able to make payments so not a problem of money anymore   |
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Post by icehorse on Jun 29, 2008 10:36:59 GMT -5
I'm glad you are working with Sara. That's great news. I still think figure 8's and backing up and stretching out her pasterns is not what you are supposed to be doing, only because those are Very hard even on an adult horse let alone a baby. Sara did mention no leading at all, just free exercise. Both my vets recommended the same thing. They also said that a proper hoof trim and her bodyweight is all the stretching she would need. I hope she stays with you forever, even when she won't be ridable.
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Post by shelberttk2 on Jun 29, 2008 11:49:18 GMT -5
Interesting that you are giving all of her vaccines now, we generally do not do that until they are 6 months old and flu at 12 months. Even mares whose babies are not protected because they were not vaccinated with a 4 way one month prior to foaling do not get vaccinated until 6 months of age. We start with a series of 3-way, rhino (MLV), and West Nile. It is done basically once a month for 3 months then at 12 months flu is given and repeated in 3-4 weeks. I strongly advise you not to vaccinate this baby until he is at least 6 months old.
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Post by shelberttk2 on Jun 29, 2008 11:50:50 GMT -5
PS,
Please watch your language, I really do not feel that the F-bomb is necessary. There are young children who come onto these boards!!
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jun 29, 2008 13:26:48 GMT -5
Vet just left and was very impressed at how far shes come handling wise since he was last here just last week. He also said her knees look excellent.
the figure eights are done in VERY wide circles during her leading training
she received her distemper, intranasal influena, tetanus and rhino and will be back in 6 weeks for another round of shots. he wanted to give her the shots he did because she is an orphan.
She was so good and didnt throw a fit at all during any of the shots i was so proud of her.
Man shes come so far from being that lil wild snot lol
Last night she showed me a new level of trust and allowed me to lay down with her...i fell asleep with my head on her shoulder and her head on my legs ....my brother managed a couple photos they were so cute
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Post by shelberttk2 on Jun 29, 2008 14:24:40 GMT -5
I didn't know they vaccinated horses for distemper, never heard of it and I work in an Equine clinic!!! The Tetanus I could understand, but am confused why he did the others....Interesting...and vaccines need to be boosted in 3-4 weeks--5 weeks max, or you have to completely start over because Titter levels have dropped.
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Post by angelinmydreams on Jun 29, 2008 16:17:01 GMT -5
Yes they do give rabies shots to horses.
A lot of people give them to horses. It is a legit vaccination
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jun 29, 2008 16:37:35 GMT -5
He was adamant about the distemper shot because 3+ horses turned up with it at emerald downs recently
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Post by Tockita on Jun 29, 2008 18:18:42 GMT -5
Yes they do give rabies shots to horses. A lot of people give them to horses. It is a legit vaccination But not babies!! You do not even give it to dogs before 4 months 6 months being the optimum age, so why would you give it to a foal whose equivalent age is less then a dogs. My vet had me give tetanus right away. I did give Hayden her 5 way shot a few weeks before she foaled.. and mine said to repeat tetanus at 2-3 months. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 29, 2008 18:47:18 GMT -5
The distemper Jen is talking about is a strangles vaccine. We have used it on all of our horses with no problems. The type that is used is safe for foals. Strangles is running ramped all over the place again. Emerald Downs had several horses that were put down from it.
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Post by Tockita on Jun 29, 2008 18:47:23 GMT -5
We have given shots early to orphan kitties and pups, because you do not know if mom had vacs to begin with, and they are not continuing to nurse and receive immunities.
I can see giving a 4 way, and the tetanus. I am not sure about the nasal vaccines. I am not entirely convinced you get an accurate dose, and have heard some iffy things about the strangles one. (probably because the strangles virus is such a pill to vaccinate for period)
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Post by bridgetah on Jun 29, 2008 19:40:08 GMT -5
My horses get the rabies vaccination.
Rabies is one of my childhood nightmares. There were periodic outbreaks of rabies in the area, mostly skunks and raccoons. I've seen two rabid animals - one cat and one dog. It's pitiful and terrifying.
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Post by icehorse on Jun 29, 2008 20:40:28 GMT -5
Last year when I had my vet out to give my yearling her spring shots, I had a gut feeling that giving them all at the same time was not a good idea. She got all those that you describe, and ended up getting pnuemonia a couple days later. I believe it was from getting too much at once-she'd never been sick a day before that or ever after.
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Post by shelberttk2 on Jun 29, 2008 22:28:59 GMT -5
The intra nasal strangles made by Fort Dodge is more effective than the intramuscular one. Even though they end up blowing a bunch out, there is enough 'shot' up their nasal cavity to do the job. I have heard of Rabies, we do rabies in certain areas down here too....I have never heard of Distemper.
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Post by wendyp on Jun 29, 2008 22:39:01 GMT -5
Hi Jen,
I'm not big on alot of vaccines at any age, so I won't go there. My one concern for you is that you need to keep the filly in a corral - I saw the pics of her coming up on your deck, and standing outside your sliding glass door - that is really cute, but what about when she paws at the glass? And she will - it's natural if they don't get what they want, they will start pawing. If she hits that glass, she could be seriously hurt.
Please please please treat her like a horse. She is going to have a huge identity crisis when she gets older. I raised a pmu baby (I had her mom too, so she wasn't an orphan) and I made the mistake of over desensitizing her, she is now 4 years old, and boy am I paying for it now!!!!!!
I am not criticizing, I'm just hoping you can learn from my mistakes...............
I believe your filly is over at the knee and sicle hocked. There are no perfect horses, they all have faults. I don't know if either of these will be permanent, or if they can be helped........I hope Sara can work on this with you and that your filly is sound when she grows up. I can tell how much you enjoy working with her - that's really important.
Best wishes,
WendyP/Bend, OR
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Post by wendyp on Jun 29, 2008 22:41:43 GMT -5
Oh, and one more thing.............sorry, I'm being the naggin mom now.......I can't help it! Please introduce Tawny and Destiny slowly - Tawny is young and she may not know how to act around a baby that small. I would be scared to death to turn my 4yo PerchX filly out with a baby......she doesn't know how big she is! Okay, no more lectures, I promise..............  WendyP/Bend, OR |
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jun 30, 2008 0:18:17 GMT -5
I saw the pics of her coming up on your deck, and standing outside your sliding glass door - that is really cute, but what about when she paws at the glass? And she will - it's natural if they don't get what they want, they will start pawing. If she hits that glass, she could be seriously hurt. Please please please treat her like a horse. I can tell how much you enjoy working with her - that's really important. Wendy, Destiny isnt allowed up the steps at ALL if she gets up there she gets pushed back down and sqealed at. When working with her i do sqeal say if she kicks me i kick her back. When it comes to trying new foods i will get close to the bucket and play with it and in no time at all shes trying it too. when i worked with the wild mustangs you HAD to react like another horse would or they wouldnt respect you. Tawny is the one my friend turns all the babies out with becuase she is so gentle....she prefers the babies to the other horses. We have been gathering supplies to makea round pen then ill be a happy lil camper....makes saddle training SOOOOO much easier lol |
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Post by toeps on Jun 30, 2008 0:50:28 GMT -5
ROFLMAO!!!
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Post by beckybee on Jun 30, 2008 1:06:03 GMT -5
Just a warning... if you make a round pen out of pallets you will get a title... Pallet Queen 2. Who is Pallet Queen I? |
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jun 30, 2008 1:22:36 GMT -5
LMAO no not pallets ......i really want a log round pen kinda like the old style before 2x4's and metal panels were invented. we just need to get our permit to go out and cut saplings
Question...Does anyone have any GaWaNi Pony Boy books theyd be willing to sell? im missing a couple of his and some i have have been revised and released as 2nd 3rd etc editions.
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Post by angelinmydreams on Jun 30, 2008 19:41:50 GMT -5
For some reason I was thinking Rabies with distemper LOL. Thats what I get for having to go to work in the heat with sweat dripping off of your forehead and down your boobs. God it has HOT this weekend and I had to milk in it. LOL then having to come home and die of the heat in the house and outside with no relief and then have to turn around and do the evening shift LOL. The bottom line is her vet feels the foal needs the shots we are not vets so how are we to sit back and judge. We did not go to school and spend long hard years learning how to treat animals. What we do with our own animals is our business all we can do is give someone advise and let them go with it. At least Jen is giving updates on the foal and showing pictures. She appears to be healthy and if she is following advise from a veterinarian then that is power to her and that is who she should be listening to. Right? If it was me and I had Joe next door telling me one thing and my vet telling me another I would go with the vet wouldn't you?
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Post by shelberttk2 on Jun 30, 2008 22:30:00 GMT -5
That depends on whom your vet is My 2 bosses are Equine specialists, I tend to believe what they say. They are both very well known, especially for lameness issues etc. There is also a vet that works with us who is an 'all around' vet, but does not keep up on the latest as far as horses go. He does the basics, and does an amazing job....but would never touch a serious lameness issue. |
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Post by angelinmydreams on Jun 30, 2008 22:54:31 GMT -5
I feel ya on that. I have 2 different clinics that I use for different things. I tend to ask advise when I need it if I can resolve the problem I call the vet. Most of the time I call my shoer or my shoer neighbors if I am stumped. It is nice to live in horse city USA. Most of the time I don't need any help. Just with hoof issues. I have been fighting abscess's the last few months on my one mare with hard feet. I panicked when it blew out her foot.  She has had 2 trims in the last 3 weeks. Whats a horse mommy to do. |
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Post by earlybp on Jun 30, 2008 23:16:06 GMT -5
I dearly love my vets. We are lucky living in Portland.
I highly recommend trying out different vets.
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jul 1, 2008 0:12:25 GMT -5
Well Destiny has showed all my time and patience to have paid off she really trusts me now See to me if they allow you to sit with them while they are laying down they trust you ALOT  i was actually asleep LOL  |
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Post by Tockita on Jul 1, 2008 0:23:06 GMT -5
With them, or ON them? As if her knees didnt have enough trouble already. :sigh:
I often find my self with a bruised forehead after I read this thread...
I have a baby who is VERY friendly and trusting.. he's healthy and full of energy as well as mischief, but he gets to be a HORSE and not some freakish plaything.
I mean what is that your new facebook pic or something? LOVE the cigarette cause that a great activity to indulge in around kids and horses!
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Post by earlybp on Jul 1, 2008 1:14:56 GMT -5
I was out visiting Jim and Sherry's rescue, Hytyme Equine, this weekend. They have an orphan baby that's a little bit younger than Dark Destiny here. This foal is sharing a pen with a mother donkey named Rosa, and when one of Jim's shire mares delivers (any day now), the hope is that the foal will be accepted by her.
I am very happy that your little girl is accepting of you. She seems really sweet, and I am happy that you're enjoying your relationship with her. A lot of horses don't get as much love as they deserve.
I hope though, that you start treating her more like a horse, and less like a baby.
I got my horse, Ed, as a grown-up, and I baby him too much, and pretty much treat him like a big dog, and now that I've got a trainer working with him, she's working those kinks out. It's a little embarassing to have an 8-year-old horse that won't lead ear-to-ear, but instead walks behind you like a dog. It's also dangerous.
If you love this little girl, as much as you say you do, I hope you'll consider her future. I know you'd feel really bad if anything happened to her, from either being out and about in your backyard, or from growing up with more human and less horselike behaviors.
I'm pulling for you to turn this situation around.
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Post by leosolis on Jul 1, 2008 1:17:19 GMT -5
With them, or ON them? As if her knees didnt have enough trouble already. :sigh: I often find my self with a bruised forehead after I read this thread... I have a baby who is VERY friendly and trusting.. he's healthy and full of energy as well as mischief, but he gets to be a HORSE and not some freakish plaything. I mean what is that your new facebook pic or something? LOVE the cigarette cause that a great activity to indulge in around kids and horses! I am probably the last person on earth I thought would say anything...but good hell Tokita/Kathy...she posts pictures that show us at least she is working with the filly & you have to bash her for smoking? I can't stand cigarettes, but really what does that have to do with this thread? Jen seriously doens't out weigh this filly & I sincerely doubt that she is hurting her by laying there with her in any way....If this thread gives you a headache don't read the d**n thing, you have plenty of pictures on the internet I am sure people could comment on as do we all...but don't. Thanks for the picture, I'm glad to see that your spending time with the filly, she does appear to trust you. |
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Post by shadowstormwolf on Jul 1, 2008 1:33:38 GMT -5
Thank you Shawna that actually means alot and your right i dont our weigh her lol im a whoppin 120 if im lucky and i seriously think if i was to much for what lil body weight was on her she woulda just got up versus curling her head around and laying it on my knees and falling asleep herself until my brother came out to take the picture....the flash woke her up.
the cigarette was actually out but i didnt have a pocket to stick it in
When i lead destiny i stay next to her shoulder i dont let her get behind me nor in front of me my hip is at her shoulder. if she stops i step back and we start again
she backs, picks up all 4 feet and allows me to touch her EVERYWHERE including ears and mouth.
she gets treated like a horse.....if she tries to kick she gets kicked back along with a sqeal.....when i call her its a whinny emphasized by her name
because she does view me as the only horse she knows right now when it comes time to introcuce her to a new food that if just given to her she snubs ill get upto the bucket my self and play in it and before long shes eating it no problem.
My vet was amazed at how much shes come around just from his visit last week
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Post by Tockita on Jul 1, 2008 3:27:55 GMT -5
Until she says she's learned a lesson and won't be making anymore orphans then I do not feel right to encourage her to continue treating this filly like a toy.
It is not a toy! It's a living thing that had a mother, and now it has... her.
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She has had 2 trims in the last 3 weeks. Whats a horse mommy to do. 