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Post by kellyd on Jan 7, 2009 10:31:55 GMT -5
Thinking out loud here.....
YASU.... I wonder if I offer a reward for solid information about this fraudulent act & action beyond ..........
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Post by tireddog on Jan 7, 2009 10:52:10 GMT -5
I had a very sad realization yesterday ...
You all remember Blue Jean (Shania CBER), the BLM mare who ended up on the lot the day my father's life support was pulled (April 7, 2008)? The day before Blue Jean was supposed to transport home here, I got a call that her bail, QT, and haul off the lot was still owing, nearly $1000. I was also told she had a very swollen hind hock that was not present previously - possibly kicked in QT? (Although being in quarantine, I could not understand how she could be kicked if she were in solitary QT.)
Luckily I had kept a list of all donations and sent that to Marlene and Sam. The list was complete and all donations were in except for one, which was only for QT and haul off the lot. This wonderful woman thought she had already paid this, but Sam and Marlene said that no, it had not been paid. Now I question if she paid twice.
In addition, I found Blue Jean's original BLM adopter (from 20 years ago) who was mortified that she was going to slaughter. (Long, amazing story. It's all on the CBER board under adopted Mustangs if you care to read.) In addition, after having the vet out, x-rays, and over $500 in diagnostic methods to try to find out what happened to Blue's hock, her previous owner said she was injured approximately 15 years ago and that the leg has always remained swollen, but that she has never been unsound. I wonder how that leg went unnoticed for five weeks, but became so apparent the day before she transported home?
In the old days, this never happened as I was usually contacted directly by Heidi with a blind or very old horse that nobody wanted and Heidi knew I would take. Heidi has a heart of gold and was involved with CBER to rescue horses - not sell only the trained, ridable, salable horses, which is the new approach. CBER apparently paid for those horses back then. (Somebody has to buy them from Chuck, no matter their condition, right?) What happened with Blue Jean was so bizarre and gave me that weird feeling in my gut that something just wasn't right. I remember feeling, for a long time, that someone was trying to pull the wool over my eyes. But I dug in my heels and would not send money. Like everything else, I was so happy to have Blue Jean home that I never pursued the issue.
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Post by swissgrl on Jan 7, 2009 11:14:31 GMT -5
Wondering......... Merlin was QT'd by DL, I got a call from her, and she asked me if I was qualified to handle an untrained dangerous horse. I said well, how untrained and dangerous are we talking about? She said that Merlin attacked her, and that Sam was going to call me later, and I could pick a different horse, and they would give him to somebody who could train him. Now, not the exact same scenario, I paid for Merlin's bail/QT/transport/Farrier (which he never got, and I never got re-imbursed for), but to think that if I really truly would have backed out of taking him, I'm now thinking that he would have never made it to "somebody who could train him". He would have been sent back, and would have gone to slaughter. I'm so unbelievably thankful to all that convinced me to take him, and you all know who you are
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Post by jenm on Jan 7, 2009 13:44:08 GMT -5
Now, not the exact same scenario, I paid for Merlin's bail/QT/transport/Farrier (which he never got, and I never got re-imbursed for), but to think that if I really truly would have backed out of taking him, I'm now thinking that he would have never made it to "somebody who could train him". He would have been sent back, and would have gone to slaughter. Well, based on what we all now know, no doubt he would have returned to the pens. I'm so glad you stayed committed to him!
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Post by carolyn on Jan 8, 2009 0:45:25 GMT -5
I love my cber horses (Artic, Calumet, Cheyenne,Sierra, Maya, Spirit, and Laramie(rip) but I WOULD NOT ADOPT another one from cber.
I haven't said anything about all of this, but when I started checking on the finances of Mystical and Spirit (mare and foal that was in need of a home), I believe they were a group adoption, the day we picked them up from QT at Deb's I ended up paying $140 more for them. then the papers on Mystical wasn't with the horses, Sam and Deb both said the other one had her papers. After I had to put Mystical down the papers showed up in my mail and her breeding wasn't what they had told me. Instead of questioning paying more money I let it go.
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Post by countrygirl on Jan 8, 2009 0:58:00 GMT -5
Hi Carolyn, Nice to see you again. I see that your note says "Laramie rip" - I have a great attachment to the buckingstock horses (I fostered Echo and have her colt Phoenix) and the 3 pregnant mares that were with that group. I don't remember reading about Laramie passing on. I am very sorry to hear that. Did I miss something or was this recent? She was a beautiful girl.
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Post by atticus on Jan 8, 2009 1:03:00 GMT -5
Just a side note, we got Hobbit (a halflinger) who Diane Repp adopted from CBER, well Diane had supposedly paid Sam in QT for his deworming and feet, He came to us with horrid feet and worms so bad that when I dewormed him they came out in his poop. Also he was listed as a 2 year old gelding.....he came to us as a stallion, his equipment just hadn't dropped yet! So we had to geld him. I wonder why these horses in QT are not getting the stuff that people are paying for?
I to am thankful I adopted my horses, but would I ever give them any money. NO!!! And I learned the hard way not to give CBER any of time either, I wasted 2 years thinking I was helping them "work for the horses" well it was just a $$ thing, the horses mean nothing to them.
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Post by lorsadoon on Jan 8, 2009 8:15:57 GMT -5
Carolyn, I also remember Laramie. A little chill ran up my spine when I read the RIP next to her name. Could you share with us what happened? And how is Maya. She was that poor little filly that you rerescued from Aimee wasn't she?
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Post by sassiedogtk on Jan 8, 2009 11:40:47 GMT -5
I did not have a great experience with CBER either. I adopted CBER Jupiter in 2007. I paid for him to be trimmed I also paid for alot of meds because I had received an email that he was not doing well and we needed to change his meds so I said of course and sent more money. I tried to find out how he was doing for two days and when I finally got a message back she had said oh he is fine. How do they go from being really sick and then two days later he is fine and will be ready to ship as planned? When Jupiter arrived his feet were horrible the worst that I have seen and the poor little guy was so sore that he layed down for four hrs after he arrived. He was suppose to be a gelding and was not. I spent alot of extra money that I did not know about and then I wonder if it was actually used for my horse. I was a first time adopter and I will say that I will never adopted from them again.
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Post by carolyn on Jan 8, 2009 23:13:42 GMT -5
I never posted anything on Laramie being put down, so here is the story. she cut her foot so bad that it went clear to the bone almost all the way around her foot, I doctored her everyday and it wouldn't heal, so the vet looked at it and said it would be best to put her down, she got to the point that she didn't want anyone to doctor her. we never did find what she did this on, I hunted all over my field. this happened at the beginnning of summer.
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Post by rodeo51 on Jan 8, 2009 23:22:16 GMT -5
I so sorry to hear about laramie....she was one of my fav of the roan bucking stock.
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Post by lorsadoon on Jan 8, 2009 23:46:16 GMT -5
I never posted anything on Laramie being put down, so here is the story. she cut her foot so bad that it went clear to the bone almost all the way around her foot, I doctored her everyday and it wouldn't heal, so the vet looked at it and said it would be best to put her down, she got to the point that she didn't want anyone to doctor her. we never did find what she did this on, I hunted all over my field. this happened at the beginnning of summer. I am so sorry to hear about her death. I was with Dana when we brought her to your place. I am glad she got to have some good time there though. Instead of dying at a slaughthouse.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Jan 9, 2009 2:16:16 GMT -5
Question to the former CBER volunteers….in Feb. ’08, how many volunteers/staff members lived in Yakima?? CBER has a very long and bold history of double dipping and has never showed even the slightest bit of regret except when they are caught. And that is probably why no matter how much we kicked and screamed to get full accounting reports, they were never available.......
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Post by barbpurple on Jan 9, 2009 17:19:10 GMT -5
and not this.. i tried to logged (CBER) on today and i couldn't ..said acct invalid and password not working.. so i just signed up again and now have to wait for approval? guess they are not wanting anybody on the board..and i didn't even do anything to warrant this..just stupid!!!!!
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Post by rhythmbeads on Jan 9, 2009 22:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by outspoken on Jan 10, 2009 15:55:05 GMT -5
Atticus, how are Hawkeye and Brunie doing? I think of them once in a while. Brunie who had to be re-rescued and I am so glad CBER did NOT get involved... now, we know what would have happened to her.
I have not followed the CBER bb or even RO that much, but I also wonder what happened to the wonderful old blind mare that Tireddog took in. I can't even remember her name... but I know she was loved and well cared for.
Thanks for any info.
ETA: I found TiredDog Ranch website and I see all these beautiful mares have crossed the rainbow bridge. So sad, but they had a wonderful time at TDR, I am sure.
I bailed Alor in '05 (arab) and she went to live in OR where, as far as I know, she is still enjoying trailrides.
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Post by wyolin on Jan 10, 2009 21:14:40 GMT -5
I want to thank everyone for finally revealing the truth about CBER. I defended them vigorously for the longest time.
I still have Maggie, a haflinger that I adopted from CBER in 2007. I had no problems, but as I was an active FOB, I suspect that Sam was toeing the line for that reason. Shawna was so helpful in getting Maggie to my granddaughter, and they won blue ribbons at the fair last summer!!
I am just horrified about horses being returned to the lot. Even after the Lavender and Meadow fiasco, I just didn't want to believe it.
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Post by tireddog on Jan 11, 2009 11:34:08 GMT -5
Outspoken! It's so good to see/hear you here from you again. I have missed you.
Lady Officer Florence Abril of the Nightingales (I know ... eyes rolling), or Flo as we called her, truly changed my life. It was the most difficult day of my life when we put her down. However, I know we did the right thing. I made a promise to every horse that has joined our family that none of them would ever go down - if I could control it - sick, injured, skinny, or in pain. I do not want any of them ever facing any portion of what they experienced prior to joining our family - hunger, pain, untreated injuries. This is their sanctuary and their home - at last.
Both Lady Ambrosia and Kristal were terribly lame. In the two years Ambrosia was with us, she had one really good week. Honestly, I had many people telling me I waited too long. But as a horse mom, you just know when it is time. Well, I could not take Flo's "eyes" (Lady Ambrosia) away from her and leave her on her own. She had other friends, but nobody who she trusted or "saw" through like Ambrosia. In addition, Flo had no thermal regulating system - she would sweat horrifically all summer, shake (even without any rain) with weather in the high 30's in the winter (yes, she had a blanket), and no anti-fly remedy could tender the horrible wounds only she got from the flies; her system could not fight infection well. In addition, she had her days of lameness - no explanation, but old age and probably arthritic as a result of being overused as a cutting horse. All the ladies were older with Kristal nearing (or having passed) 30, with the exception of Princess Buttercup who I do have regrets about putting down. (Another entry.)
I miss Flo terribly. I was thinking about her intensely before I read your post, and it filled my heart with such joy to read she touched someone else, too. Lady Officer Florence gave so much to so many. And in the moments when you saw her enjoying life - Ambrosia actually lunging her in their initial "meet-and-attach" period in their corral, keeping Flo safe and on the inside of her circle; Flo listening to a precious woman playing her Native American flute for the blind mares, her head cocked and her mouth in a smile; Flo standing still with her head pointed to the sky, "watching" a flock of birds flying above her - you realized there is no disability in blindness, deafness, or other missing senses. We are all missing something! There is only the lack of ability with which we label anyone. Flo missed nothing in life here. She even had a boyfriend who loved her dearly. Flo passed over not scared, a great weight, tummy full, happy, and on a beautiful day. She followed her companion Ambrosia. And she was ready. I do think Flo was very tired despite the strength of her constitution to make good any situation with which she was presented.
Remember, too, who made this possible - Heidi. Heidi is the one who was at the feedlot when Flo had already been weighed, tagged, and loaded onto the slaughter truck. Heidi is the one who dug in her heels and told Chuck that no, this mare would not ship as it is illegal to ship a blind horse. It is Heidi who contacted me and asked for help. Without Heidi, many of the horses we have here at Tired Dog Ranch would have been shipped. Heidi, thank you - again and again and again. And thank you, Outspoken, for remembering my special girl. I miss her so much.
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Post by mtangel on Jan 11, 2009 11:58:45 GMT -5
I'm choked up. That was beautiful tireddog. Thank you for giving ALL of your babies the tender years they missed before joining your home.
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Post by horse4life on Jan 11, 2009 17:17:54 GMT -5
no one stepped up to the plate to drive up to N. Washington to pick up Brunhilda when they knew she was standing knee deep in mud and had no food, to name a few.
OMG!! When I saw her she had already been adopted all I could think of was how cute she was. I would have taken her in a New York minute. Please tell me she is in a good home now and being taken care of!!
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Post by tireddog on Jan 11, 2009 20:33:57 GMT -5
Who knew she was standing knee-deep in mud and had no food? Are you serious? All I know is we were asked to take her and said yes, we would love to take her. I had no idea the conditions were bad - this is honestly the first I have heard this. Ashley contacted me and asked if I would be upset if she went to live with a gelding who had just lost his pasturemate. Of course, we were disappointed as we were very excited to meet her and have her join the herd, but for the good of all it seemed better that she go to live with a lonely bachelor. Ash? Chime in here, please, and assure us that Brunie is happy and healthy with the love of her life.
Howcome there is so much sh*t I had no idea about? Was I not paying attention, or did many of you feel cautious about pointing things out to me? I feel terrible and quite blind. If I am responsible for Brunhilda missing even one meal, I am to be shamed. I am so sorry. That is inexcusable.
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Post by outspoken on Jan 11, 2009 20:57:16 GMT -5
no,no,no, Tireddog... I think horse4life is referring to the situation where she was BEFORE Ashley went and rescued her and the fact that noone at Cber stepped up to the plate. In hindsight, thank God they did not... I think and hope she is still happy with Hawkeye. She was one mare that got me and a few in trouble with Schwung/Safe when we decided to bail her anyway. It was so long ago in Safe's early days when they were still working w/ Cber. Brunie had been at the lot for too long and we knew she would not escape the next truck. So, we bailed her anyway and she went to live in a not so good place. I kept in touch with the daughter of the woman who had her who alerted me and a few others to the situation. Then Ashley took action. We again helped with a few meager dollars to get her to safety. Isn't it strange though how some horses make a mark on you? Brunie was one. Your description of Miss Flo, Ambrosia and your other horses stayed with me too. I do remember the post where you mentioned Miss Flo looking up to the sky "listening" to the flock of birds.
Yes, Heidi has been wonderful and such a lifesaver for so many horses (I never forgot Stowaway as well).
I think there is a lot we did not want to hear either that first summer of '05, but the close association with Safe/Coth/Cber opened some eyes quickly and made a number of us take a step back by the Fall. We kept trying on different bbs to warn people, but were shot down time and time again or banned (I have NO respect whatsoever for Alex Brown and his handling of all the scammers on his site). IMO, he is the biggest scammer of all.
TRD, keep up the great work that you do and I am so happy that you have seen the light too and that you have opened your door to Ivy/Soot. She deserves the best after what she has gone through. Now that I have found your blog, it is in my bookmarks and I will visit often.
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Post by lorsadoon on Jan 11, 2009 21:08:39 GMT -5
Here is a picture I took of Brunie after she was re-rescued. She was at Hytymes for awhile. She is standing with Rory, her boyfriend. ;D
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Post by outspoken on Jan 11, 2009 21:14:21 GMT -5
lol, she really was a funny looking horse. She earned the nickname of ?? basset something. I can't remember now.
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Post by beckybee on Jan 11, 2009 21:43:57 GMT -5
Basset hound and couch, as I recall.
I'm with you, Dawg - it seems so much goes on behind the scenes and "we" only get glimpses or innuendo. Since you are so kind-hearted and optimistic (did a mention lovely and smart?) you would never think anything bad of anyone!
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Post by tireddog on Jan 12, 2009 10:38:23 GMT -5
Becky, I think that is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me. Thank you. You have made my day. I was so worried that Brunie was knee-deep in mud (or perhaps belly-deep in her case) and starving as a result of me not getting her here quickly enough. I know she was supposed to ultimately be with Hawkeye, and so it is best she waited. I am relieved to know Ash got her out of that initial situation quickly. It is amazing, yet again, how CBER just turned their backs on a CBER rescue. Why was it Ashley's responsibility to take over the rescue care for this horse? For ALL the horse rescues I know and am involved with, horses are taken back (even seized) periodically. It is written into the adoption contract and followed through on, for the sake of the horse(s). Thank you again, Becky, for what you said. And Outspoken, I am again so happy to see you. Thank you for clarifying Miss Brunhilda's situation as I was getting more and more upset until I read your post.
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Post by lurker on Jan 12, 2009 11:50:20 GMT -5
Basset hound and couch, as I recall. Oh, no. She wasn't THE Couch....I had the one and only couch. Fuji She turned out to be the star of my crew. RIP 10/2008
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Post by caryn on Jan 12, 2009 12:11:31 GMT -5
Sheri, Fuji's the couch that I remember I did not know that she has passed on. My condolences, I know you must miss her.
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Post by tireddog on Jan 12, 2009 16:31:28 GMT -5
RIP Sweet Fuji. What a precious, loving soul you are.
Sheri, our dial-up does not support Photobucket any longer or I would post a photo I took Saturday of Wonderful, who I had no idea had a twin - Fuji. I am going to e-mail you her photo. Guess who has turned out to be a shining star in our crew, too? Yep! The lovely, beautiful, and undeniably wonderful Wonderful!
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Post by agilitygal on Jan 12, 2009 19:00:44 GMT -5
Tired dog, I remember all your horses from CBER. They touched many of us and they were not forgotten.
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