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Post by jdw2w1 on Apr 6, 2008 10:51:50 GMT -5
Hi everyone. A lot of changes going on around here. I've been trying to follow all of the threads. I know other members have mentioned going by Chuck's lot to see what horses need saving. I think FIVEMILE was going to try and get photos this weekend.
I'm sure Chuck doesn't care if there are multiple rescues coming to his lot. Sounds like he is just a horse trader and wants to sell horses. I can't remember what thread I was on, but a lady in WA said she purchased an $800 CBER horse directly from Chuck for under $300! Can you imagine if this is true AND we cut out QT fees. Wow Wee! We could save so many more horses! We just need to figure out the logistics of getting them off the lot and to their new homes. Last year, I rescued a couple of feedlot horses through Ahimsa Ranch in Fort Collins, CO. Her Rescue was full, so you were required to to paypal the feedlot fee and arrange transport given about a week deadline. I got lucky with my TB. We rushed the coggins and he hitched a ride on ALLSTATE HORSE EXPRESS two days later. You can ship them out pretty fast if we have local transport contacts lined up. What do you guys think? I think this is a real opportunity. Stephanie in Ca
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Post by fivemile on Apr 6, 2008 11:08:38 GMT -5
I GUARANTEE you that if you go the feedlot with cash in hand Chuck will sell you a horse. I have known Chuck for years, bought lots of horses from him. NEVER have I paid anything close to what CBER is charging.
You are absolutely right when you say you can save money from buying direct. Please do keep them seperated from your horses for several weeks. I had one that I bought there that was sick, he recovered but I know they are all exposed to all kinds of disease there.
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Post by vadnaisarabians on Apr 6, 2008 12:20:31 GMT -5
Stephanie, which horses did you get from Lauren? Just curious. I got my Stormy and Jasmine from Lauren two years ago and have kept in touch somewhat. Amber at Shiloh is awesome also.
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Post by jdw2w1 on Apr 6, 2008 13:26:19 GMT -5
Hi Tasha. Last summer I rescued 2 straight from the feedlot. My first was a sweet OTTB I named Prince and the second was an AQHA named Rosie. I rehomed Rosie almost immediately. My third horse was Greta; lovely Grulla Spanish Mustang. I hope Lauren's doing OK. When I spoke to her in the Fall, she was traveling back and forth to California because her father was very ill. At the time, she had transfered most of her horses to other rescues.
Hi Fivemile. Thanks for sharing your experience with Chuck. I hope some WA locals are able to get something going to give these horses exposure and a chance to get off the lot.
Stephanie in Ca
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 6, 2008 13:37:41 GMT -5
Back in 'the day', when I got Hobbs, it was 'routine' to leave them at Chuck's until your shipper arranged to pick them up. I paid him a few dollars personally, sent him a check from Ca, and my shipper who was Tiero Farms, picked up right there at the lot. i have QT set up here at home, and took care of Hobbs who was the first of the really REALLY sick ones that year on the lot, horrible pneumonia, and god knows what else... then Marley later... bad bad strangles... and no one else contacted either of them... and no one got sick here... it can be done just as well as they do it there, it's no secret how to QT. and the few there have no 'corner on the market' on doing it right
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Post by cybercat on Apr 6, 2008 13:48:04 GMT -5
Just keep in mind that some transport companies do NOT want to transport possibly infected animals...FYI. I'd hate to see transportation fall through before the horse makes it home.
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Post by bridgetah on Apr 6, 2008 13:58:38 GMT -5
What short memories we have.
Mandatory QT was established because of strangles and because CBER was being trashed endlessly for spreading "bastard strangles" all over the Pacific Northwest and possibly even farther out.
So go ahead, get your horses, do home QT and good luck to you.
One person lost at least two personal horses that way, however. Although QT is not brain surgery, an infected horse got loose and infected her horses. If memory serves me well, one of those that died was a pregnant mare.
CBER can't win for losing on this one.
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 6, 2008 14:32:52 GMT -5
People run the risk of their horses catching dieseases no matter where they get them from. Heck, your horse can get strangles just going to a horse show.
Proper QT is not a matter of luck. It is a matter of caution and proper and stringent care. Many people are qualified to do it. Aimee was not.
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Post by halfwayhome on Apr 6, 2008 15:08:55 GMT -5
Yes people you can go to Chucks lot and buy horses personally and you WILL save a lot of money. Take cash, if he doesn't know you, he won't take a check. Do not mention rescue or anything else, just swing in and stop by the office and ask if you can see the horses. If he is not there, do not go on the property, it is well posted, but you can look thru the bars and leave him a note and phone number if you want him to call you back on a time to come by. As for QT, most sensible and knowledgeable horse people can do it, its not rocket science folks. You can work with your own vets and follow the suggested guidelines. Just remember, it is you taking the risks and have noone to blame if things go awry. I worked among the lot horses, hauled the lot horses and took in lot horses for people during some of the worst times before "mandatory qt", I knew the proper handling procedures, NONE of my own animals got sick, EVER and it was not spread on my place and I have not had a problem since. If a vet will sign off on a health certificate of haul interstate and you have the proper documents, there are plenty of haulers who will work with you. If you are upfront with them about where the horses are coming from, they will either accept your commission of haul or they won't, but plenty have ways of dealing with hauling horses that come from sales, auctions and dealer lots, ALL of which have a propensity for incubating illness. Chuck's lot by no means had the corner on the only place in WA state with strangles or other resp. diseases. The state cannot legally shut down a place for strangles, if they could, half the sales, shows, race meets, boarding stables and many other places would be at risk. You heard about his lot due to the publicity, but it was at plenty of other places too. Any horseman will know to isolate and QT a horse coming from a public place. Lots of people locally bought horses off his lot with no QT and not one word from the state, the mandatory thing was of CBER making and their choice, by not giving people a choice, you automatically made it much more difficult and expensive to save a feedlot horse. Sure, give them the choice of using your QT, but don't use it for yourself as the rescue founder as a means of paying for the farm. Horse rescue historically has never been about making money and should never be thought of as a capitalist venture IMO.
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Post by kidznhorses on Apr 6, 2008 16:24:53 GMT -5
Heidi and lorsadoon are correct. Proper QT will protect YOUR animals and keep sickness from spreading but it can be done successfully and is far cheaper at your own facility. I posted a thorough, informative article on strangles lat Fall in the Horse Health section on the RO board. I would recommend reading the article and learning proper QT before bringing a feedlot OR auction horse to your facility.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 6, 2008 21:55:40 GMT -5
from the emails I've seen from Sam, it sounds conflicting on 'why' mandatory QT was started... sounds like she 'tried' to pass it off as 'because the state vet told us to' but also, (and more believable since the state vet DIDN't tell them to) that she was getting grief for taking salary from CBER, and she decided to 'make it' off of the QT... and she was cocky enough to say that as if it was a 'give' to do that... !!!
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Post by bcfilly on Apr 6, 2008 22:22:47 GMT -5
Sooo.....let's figure out a way to work with chuck, ie; someone or a few getting pic's and/or descriptions of horses and then work on getting them the hell out of there with us all completely understanding the risk we're taking with an un-assessed horse.
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Post by lucy1994 on Apr 6, 2008 22:52:46 GMT -5
Its my understanding that Sam is still running CBER and horses are still going to be listed on columbia basin site. She just isnt listing them here. Am i right!!!!Wont they still assess them and sell them from the same site.
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Post by Tockita on Apr 6, 2008 23:01:05 GMT -5
Okie first off there is no such thing as a "strain" of bastard strangles. A horse can have bastard strangles, or you can help create an antibiotic resistant strangles by treating with antibiotics.
At the time many of the horses got the sickest, I believe they had pneumonia and died from that. There is always a greater chance for illness in the very young, the old, and those that are stressed.
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Post by fivemile on Apr 6, 2008 23:05:19 GMT -5
I'm going next weekend to Yakima and the feedlot and will see what's up. I am sure Sam will continue listing horses off the lot. Why wouldn't she? It's the way she makes her living. That doesn't mean someone else can't buy the horses as well. I will do what I can to get some photos of what's there and their information. I wish I didn't live two hours away. I would be more than happy to take photos and post horses. I think most good horsepeople are more than capable of doing their own QT. Sam is no QT genius. Just be cautious and use common sense.
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Post by mickeyfan3 on Apr 7, 2008 12:45:57 GMT -5
Just keep in mind that some transport companies do NOT want to transport possibly infected animals...FYI. I'd hate to see transportation fall through before the horse makes it home. I know if I was shipping a known to be healthy, or recently completed QT'd horse, I'd be TICKED OFF at anyone shipping a horse straight off any auction or feedlot with it. In that respect...I would ask the transport company what guarantees they offer that they won't take possibly infected horses. I'm not saying don't rescue from feedlots or from auctions....just please be careful who your horses are shipping with.
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Post by jdw2w1 on Apr 7, 2008 12:49:25 GMT -5
Thanks Fivemile. I look forward to seeing photos and any info you can get Is there anyone who can meet up with Fivemile? I'm sure she would appreciate another set of eyes/ears and another camera I don't think any of us want to take away from the CBER horses getting exposure/homes. They do have a great website that is very well known. I've always felt bad for all of the other horses we don't see. There are 100's of horses that go through this feedlot. CBER only features a handful. If it really is "all about the horses", CBER should be thrilled that we are trying to organize an effort to feature/rescue a few of the "others". At the very least, it will be a way for all of us to see their faces and acknowledge and remember them when they are gone Stephanie in Ca
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Post by cybercat on Apr 7, 2008 21:27:28 GMT -5
A lot of horses will not be able to viewed because of their previous owners requirements...remember the buckers...the bucking string operator won't allow horses adopted- straight to slaughter for most- if I am recalling correctly. And then there are other people who don't like rescuers calling them to get info about the horses at the lot...so I am just saying that we will never see some of them. And that makes me sad.
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Post by MustangAppy on Apr 7, 2008 21:30:26 GMT -5
There is a BLM Mustang listed just today. They took a distance photo of the brand, lot of good that does, especially when they are still in winter coat. Dang it, does anyone have room for Stang? Wonder what Chuck's price would be on this one?
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Post by mini mom on Apr 7, 2008 21:51:48 GMT -5
I also know that Gemini and Diva are still on the lot. They have not been rescued. Is there anything we can do for them?
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Post by chatty on Apr 7, 2008 23:12:28 GMT -5
If you know someone in the valley take them with you...If you can a Vet, well knowen horse person...Sounds like alot, but the more eyes the better...Tunnel vision happens, watch it...
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Post by penny/pals on Apr 10, 2008 19:46:04 GMT -5
there are several pregnant mares on the lot presently that will ship if adopters are not found. Please help the horses.
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Post by pikzeedust on Apr 10, 2008 20:13:58 GMT -5
It is so sad. There are so many nice horses on Chuck's lot right now.
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Post by chrisw on Apr 10, 2008 20:17:58 GMT -5
Oh I just looked....they are beautiful and the one older TB mare that is pregnant and starved with ticks breaks my heart...and 2 babies. This is too heartbreaking.......does anyone know if they are being helped on the new CBER board?
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Post by Admin on Apr 10, 2008 20:38:34 GMT -5
Don't know. They have denied many of the RO people access to the board You can always direct e-mail them from their website though.
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Post by chatty on Apr 10, 2008 21:04:42 GMT -5
Can anyone go down to Seals feedlot and swing a deal for two horses...Gimini and Molly, one going to ship and the other...Well she needs out of there, Chuck may swing on Molly... Cash talks and the horses will walk....
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Post by emjay on Apr 10, 2008 21:32:30 GMT -5
I can't get on their website, the columbia basine rscue one
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Post by penny/pals on Apr 10, 2008 21:36:40 GMT -5
There is no action on these horses Please help these poor mares with babies due any day both will be killed
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Post by pikzeedust on Apr 10, 2008 22:08:20 GMT -5
This is where I feel horses suffer without RO. I feel so helpless. There are really nice horses on there and I have no money right now to help.
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Post by emjay on Apr 10, 2008 22:19:23 GMT -5
anyone, is it just my computer that I can't get on the website, where are you all seeing these horses.
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