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Post by chamiyo on Apr 13, 2008 16:21:05 GMT -5
Uhh, Sam herself sent Jill a very nasty email about what Jill offered to do. She then called Chuck and bitched to him about it. Maybe Jill would like to post the email she received. That's up to her though. Bridgetah, have you been brainwashed or something?  Many, many people have had negative experiences with Sam. Maybe we should all post the nasty little emails she mails out to anyone who ""Questions her AUTHORITYYYY" She reminds me of Cartman on south park. Super egomaniac with no thoughts of anyone but her. And please... she does not give a crap about the horses unless they stop bringing in the big bucks for her. Then off they ship.... |
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Post by hytyme on Apr 13, 2008 16:42:00 GMT -5
My point taken.....IT IS NOT ABOUT THE HORSES.
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Post by gsdmom on Apr 13, 2008 16:54:28 GMT -5
I agree. It is about how much money you can make off of these horses. When horses started making it off the lot with bail and QT paid Sam was in a real bind. If she kept the ones that were already safe her cash flow would dry up. The CBER main page sure was updated fast today. No waiting around through the afternoon amd evening wondering who shipped. (or were sent to another sale or???) I do not see how anyone can read what is happening right now and still support what she does. There should certainly be a safety net in place for feedlot horses, BUT it shouldn't have holes in it!
Kathy
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Post by hytyme on Apr 13, 2008 17:05:53 GMT -5
Who knows for sure whether any of the horses listed as shipped actually did? It could be a "guilt trip" ploy to kick donations back into action again....
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Post by emjay on Apr 13, 2008 17:11:09 GMT -5
thanks for saying that hytyme, that is what I was thinking/wondering. I don't think anyone will ever know for sure
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Post by countrygirl on Apr 13, 2008 18:21:27 GMT -5
If Sam cared about the horses, she would welcome any and all help to save them before the truck came. The fact that she doesn't want anyone but herself to be able to get the horses (and would rather let them ship) tells you that she is more concerned about her "cash flow" than about the horses. And as soon as the cash flow stops, the horses are either killed or shipped. What does that tell you?? The only horses that apparently get to live are those that others are willing to pay for and keep paying for. All the others have been disposed of in one way or another.
It is a TOTAL SHAME that any horses have to ship. I totally supported CBER and their mission. I still support the mission but Sam can not be trusted. Even when a horse is saved, we can't be sure that it was really Saved. What kind of a rescue is that?
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Post by fivemile on Apr 13, 2008 18:33:25 GMT -5
Yes, but I won't deal with Sam. She is also furious about reading my post where I mentioned I would take pictures from Chucks lot. She called Chuck and said I was trying to run my own rescue, she hates me, blah blah blah. Anyway, I do have room but since Sam has stirred the pot with Chuck I won't be able to buy her reasonably. I will foal out the mare if someone buys her from Chuck but like I said will not deal with Sam in any form or way. Let me know if I can do something else to help this poor mare and foal. Who told you all this? IMO, there never was a serious rescue effort here - just blowing smoke. There was never a serious rescue effort on whose part? Mine? Why would I be blowing smoke? Makes no sense to me. You don't know me but I guess you're entitled to your opinion. By the way all this came directly from Sam's mouth that she DID NOT want me taking photos or even on the feedlot.Ask her yourself if she remembers how to tell the truth. I really don't give a d**N what she wants but Chuck and her are buddies so he is sticking with Sam unless I show up with cash. Sam makes him A LOT of money. I was simply trying to take some pictures so people who may be interested could see what was there. I was not starting my own rescue. Sam isn't a rescue either. She's a horse broker, plain and simple. She is friends with Chuck too. Funny for someone she supposedly hates. Whatever puts money in her pocket. She was mad as hell that I might be taking money from her. Not my intention (although I do hope she gets punished for all this fraud) Why should she care if the horses get more exposure? It truly was about the horses for me. I stood to gain nothing by taking my time and using my dielsel to drive 80 miles one way to take pictures. Wish I could say the same for her. |
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Post by jdw2w1 on Apr 13, 2008 18:49:34 GMT -5
Well, I guess we knew this wouldn't be easy.
Maybe someone should just drop by, take pics and get some prices from Chuck.
Sam can't keep everyone out.
What can she do? Hire a security guard to protect "her feedlot" ?
She should know what kind of determined individuals she's dealing with. With us, " it really is-- all about the horses" ;D
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Post by jdw2w1 on Apr 13, 2008 18:53:56 GMT -5
Fivemile,
Did you even get access to the lot?
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Post by fivemile on Apr 13, 2008 19:17:15 GMT -5
No, I didn't for two reasons. I made a post a few days ago that I couldn't leave my mare this weekend. Kidnaps Katydid is living with me and is due to foal yesterday. Therefore, I did not feel comfortable leaving even for the day when she might foal. Secondly, Chuck called my husband and relayed Sams message and it's a big ugly mess. Someone who Chuck and Sam don't know is going to have to do it. Sam's having a fit and hates me so there's no way I'll be able to now. What a shame.
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Post by fivemile on Apr 13, 2008 19:19:34 GMT -5
Uhh, Sam herself sent Jill a very nasty email about what Jill offered to do. She then called Chuck and bitched to him about it. Maybe Jill would like to post the email she received. That's up to her though. Bridgetah, have you been brainwashed or something? Many, many people have had negative experiences with Sam. Maybe we should all post the nasty little emails she mails out to anyone who ""Questions her AUTHORITYYYY" She reminds me of Cartman on south park. Super egomaniac with no thoughts of anyone but her. And please... she does not give a crap about the horses unless they stop bringing in the big bucks for her. Then off they ship.... Not that it matters but just to clarify, Sam did not email me, this was all done in the form of talking to Chuck directly and then a phone call. Bottom line is she isn't letting anyone take money from her regardless of the fact that more horses could be saved. |
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Post by bridgetah on Apr 13, 2008 20:01:50 GMT -5
Uhh, Sam herself sent Jill a very nasty email about what Jill offered to do. She then called Chuck and bitched to him about it. Maybe Jill would like to post the email she received. That's up to her though. Bridgetah, have you been brainwashed or something? Many, many people have had negative experiences with Sam. Maybe we should all post the nasty little emails she mails out to anyone who ""Questions her AUTHORITYYYY" She reminds me of Cartman on south park. Super egomaniac with no thoughts of anyone but her. And please... she does not give a crap about the horses unless they stop bringing in the big bucks for her. Then off they ship.... So, she sent a nasty email - she didn't send a nasty email . . . And, you are all are to be trusted? Perhaps Chamiyo could post the information she has about this "he said/she said." |
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Post by countrygirl on Apr 13, 2008 21:06:33 GMT -5
Bridget, please tell me why Sam would care if the horses got more exposure, or if someone came to the lot to adopt a horse if she was truely in it for the horses. Would you care? If I wanted to buy Blackjack and I showed up at the lot with cash, would you be happy that I was able to adopt him or would you Say "Stay away from the lot you can only adopt through CBER". Never mind the fact that it was 1 day before the horses would ship. Does this sound like someone who was in it for the horses? If it were me, I would be thrilled that any of the horses had an adoptive home.
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Post by dancinwithhorses on Apr 13, 2008 21:13:10 GMT -5
Since I am in S.E. Idaho, I have no way to assist other than to help coordinate efforts and post horses. If we are going to help any of the animals on that lot, there must be funds raised, and people who are close enough can then go make offers to Chuck, and pull horses for transport to pre-arranged fosters. Since CBER already posts photos and assessments, we don't need to duplicate those efforts. All Chuck needs hear is that you have money and want to see all available horses. So, list of foster homes that are QT savvy, how many can you handle and for how long. People willing to go to the lot and buy and transport. People who can help with any training needs. People to be in charge of fundraising for vetting and feed, which will be a bigger expense than purchase. Several folks to help with listing and screening adopters. Without all these things, there can be no rescue effort. I live in Walla Walla just under two hours from the feed lot and have been there before. I will not support CBER. However I have a truck and 2 horse slant load that can have another divider pulled to transport 3 15 hand or so horses. I have absolutely no money. (most of you know I am having to rehome Calvin if I can't get pasture/cheaper board.) I do have some time. I couldn't go alot but would be willing to do what I can if gas is paid upfront. Oh, and I could transport as far as Clarkston/Lewiston. |
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Post by chamiyo on Apr 13, 2008 21:13:16 GMT -5
I was wrong, Sam did not email her, she called. I can admit that. I read my email at something like 3: 30 in the morning so forgive me for my brain not quite working. At any rate Sam CALLED her house and BITCHED about the idea of Jill taking photos. That say's alot to me. I sure believe Jill a hell of alot more than $cam. Are you Scam by the way Bridgetah, cause you sure are good at kissing her A$$. Are you personal friends with Chuck? Where is your proof that $cam is little miss innocent because I sure see very little proof that she is and a whole lot that she is a conartist masquerading as a rescue. If someone else with an actual HEART and some ETHICS where running CBER then it could be an incredible organization. Instead it is just ...well a scam.
I am not sure why I am bothering to even respond too you as it appears that you are completely obtuse.
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Post by dancinwithhorses on Apr 13, 2008 21:15:38 GMT -5
The other thing is that we may need to just leave the lot and do our own rescue by buying at the auction. Having homes set up to take certain type horses and getting those at the aution?? Just a thought.
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Post by pikzeedust on Apr 13, 2008 21:17:43 GMT -5
Who knows for sure whether any of the horses listed as shipped actually did? It could be a "guilt trip" ploy to kick donations back into action again.... I don't think this was a guilty ploy only because someone did want to adopt Black Jack last minute and if the adoption fell through he had a back up offer. Unfortunately the he was already loaded on the truck and it had left. It was too late for him. It's very very sad........  |
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Post by dancinwithhorses on Apr 13, 2008 21:43:49 GMT -5
So is the new CBER bb a secret??
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Post by lorsadoon on Apr 13, 2008 21:54:03 GMT -5
Bridgetah, I do not see how you can think it is A-ok, to shoot or ship a horse, after it has been rescued. We, the people who donated money to save them, thought they were safe or adopted.
You can not justify their deaths because some others were saved.
Would you be able to trust someone who repeatedly lied to you? I can not. I believed in CBER for a long time, but the change that was necessary to allow it to continue and thrive did not happen. And although it may continue on, it will do so without many core supporters and donaters.
There were alot of things I was willing to overlook, for the sake of the horses. But shooting and reshipping them, I cannot overlook.
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Post by angelinmydreams on Apr 13, 2008 21:57:37 GMT -5
Cant we raise money together without CBER even though we are not a RESCUE and have cash in hand and go get the horses? I am sure that there is enough of us that we can raise the money together. We are raising money as a bunch of friends with one common goal to save these horses. It makes me sick to see so many mommas this time around. That is why I don't like to look.
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Post by fivemile on Apr 13, 2008 22:03:13 GMT -5
Bridget, please tell me why Sam would care if the horses got more exposure, or if someone came to the lot to adopt a horse if she was truely in it for the horses. Would you care? If I wanted to buy Blackjack and I showed up at the lot with cash, would you be happy that I was able to adopt him or would you Say "Stay away from the lot you can only adopt through CBER". Never mind the fact that it was 1 day before the horses would ship. Does this sound like someone who was in it for the horses? If it were me, I would be thrilled that any of the horses had an adoptive home. Nobody showed up with cash. Someone on this thread assured us that Chuck would sell to anyone who showed up with cash. But, no one did. And, I don't know whether or not Sam would care or not if the horses got more exposure. And, Chamiyo, that's exactly how this sh*t gets started. And then takes on a life of its own. To date, not one person has been identified as the source of all this rumor and speculation. It's very easy to lie here and it is very easy for lies to become "truth." Where do you get all this stuff? Oh, I forgot, the "no disclosure" clause. If you check out the fugly board and the ABR board, on those lists they're compiling, you'll find that there are still more living horses than dead horses. Umm bridgetah are we supposed to be happy that there are more living horses than dead when they were all supposedly rescued? What in the hell is wrong with this picture? Good people donated their money to save these horses and they're still dead! Instead of being slaughtered by the plant, Sam was responsible for their death. Go read fuglyhorse some more and try to get a grip on what is really happening with CBER. If you are so close and know Sam so well than maybe you can ask her yourself. I bet you don't even know her do you? Meet her sometime, she'll make your skin crawl. |
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Post by TashGaia on Apr 13, 2008 23:18:02 GMT -5
If you are so close and know Sam so well than maybe you can ask her yourself. I bet you don't even know her do you? Meet her sometime, she'll make your skin crawl. I have met Sam many times and she never made my skin crawl. Geeze! Folks, I do not agree with all the stuff that is going on with CBER, but lets not go down this road. Same thing with writing Sam as "$am" or "$cam"... is that really the level that you want to take yourself to? Lets all show some maturity. |
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Post by bridgetah on Apr 13, 2008 23:32:29 GMT -5
Bridgetah, I do not see how you can think it is A-ok, to shoot or ship a horse, after it has been rescued. We, the people who donated money to save them, thought they were safe or adopted. You can not justify their deaths because some others were saved. Would you be able to trust someone who repeatedly lied to you? I can not. I believed in CBER for a long time, but the change that was necessary to allow it to continue and thrive did not happen. And although it may continue on, it will do so without many core supporters and donaters. There were alot of things I was willing to overlook, for the sake of the horses. But shooting and reshipping them, I cannot overlook. If I were to have to euthanize my horses, I would prefer to have them shot. It's quick. Which horses were re-shipped and how do you know that Sam was responsible? |
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Post by hytyme on Apr 14, 2008 0:02:30 GMT -5
Maturity has nothing to do with this...It is about scruples and integrity. Sam, herself, is quite an enigma. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to decipher her path....
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Post by fivemile on Apr 14, 2008 0:26:54 GMT -5
Since this thread is titled Help Rescue Horses-Chuck's Feedlot, I will say this one last time. It was made perfectly clear directly from the source that neither myself or anyone else is welcome to take pictures of horses that Sam may have listed (brokered) whatever. So, my attempt at making them more visable to more people is not going to happen. To all of you who have PM'd me to ask for the pictures, I apologize. I posted on 4/10 that I couldn't go due to Kidnaps Katydid being ready to foal. If she hadn't been so close I would have gone before all this happened. Maybe we can find another way to make it more known that there are great horses on the lot and you do not have to buy from CBER. As we've seen happen many times before, Chuck sells to whoever has the cash. Lots of horses that Sam has listed have been sold by FLO, the last one that I know of was Diva. The bottom line is we need to get these horses to GOOD homes regardless of how they get there. I am sorry that this whole thing has gotten away from what the original goal was, saving horses.
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Post by pnp4kidz on Apr 14, 2008 0:41:31 GMT -5
No horse trader wants someone to edge in on the business.....
and, shoot, fivemile might just see 'too much' of what 'other' stuff is going on...
I think we need to find another representative... who goes to 'look for horses', and gets some digitals to show us...
obviously Chuck is going to scratch Sam's back.. he DOES make a cool quarter million a year off her alone... not to mention what 'personal rescues' she does... aka: personal resale horses... as she has said she does her own too, so we can only surmise she takes the cream of the crop to bring home for her own resale...
I think we need to find a way to just stay under the radar...
of course Sam has many little spy eyes reporting to her...
so need to be discrete so it doesn't get back to Sam who this person is...
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Post by hytyme on Apr 14, 2008 1:12:25 GMT -5
Chuck may have made " a cool quarter million a year", but the way things are going now the forecast does not look too good for him. The word is out he has been laughing all the way to the bank for some time (on your $)! Let him laugh no more. Let him deal exculsively with CBER. It is very sad for the horses, but never fear.... There are many horses out there in need, and they are not just in Toppenish, WA.
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Post by halfwayhome on Apr 14, 2008 1:13:46 GMT -5
I wonder if the FLO is aware of how much "business" Sam is doing with other traders and killers? The reason being, he was very specific and shall we say "firm" when I was there with her that we do not "interfere" with his customers and his business. In other words, if a rig pulled up with horses to try and sell him and we were there, we were not allowed to talk to them and divert horses away from him, we were told not to "compete" with him at the sales, which is why Sam would not go to the local sales and pickup horses ( which I never understood as its a free country and those sales are open to everyone) , the reason was, she didn't want to upset the applecart with Chuck and get him mad at her. She has now in her own words in the circulating email, said she befriended Wayne and "converted " him after meeting him thru Chuck and subsequently diverted horses from Wayne before they got to Chuck, so it appears she lies to everyone she works with.
Also in a way, by reselling horses that came from his lot eventually to a different killer buyer, when he used to tell her all the time he would buy the well ones back from her, she is cutting him out there too! Wonder if he knows all this?
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2008 5:36:59 GMT -5
It's fine if you want to discuss the facts on this thread. Absolutely no name calling! This board is about SOLUTIONS.
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Post by calgal982 on Apr 14, 2008 8:29:05 GMT -5
Hey guys. I wasn't privvy to all the crap that hit the fan. I've been a rescuer through Cber and this board for the last 3 years. I'm deeply saddened that the horses will no longer be helped by all of you as you have been their most staunch supporters. We need to stop with all of the name calling and crap slinging and move on to where we CAN help and where we will make a difference. If we aren't welcome on Chucks lot then we need to focus elsewhere and not bang our heads against the wall. His isn't the only place receiving horses for slaughter and we need to remember that. REFOCUS...Move beyond this. Vicki
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Many, many people have had negative experiences with Sam. Maybe we should all post the nasty little emails she mails out to anyone who ""Questions her AUTHORITYYYY" She reminds me of Cartman on south park. Super egomaniac with no thoughts of anyone but her. And please... she does not give a crap about the horses unless they stop bringing in the big bucks for her. Then off they ship....
